I’m not a literature major but who cares? 🤷♀️ It’s my blog and I want to talk about a concept often used in literary circles: liminal space. I’ll do my best to explain it as I understand it. It’ll easy for you to grasp.
The word “liminal” may look highfalutin, but you’ve seen its cousin before– the word “subliminal.” Their root word comes from the Latin “limen.” “Limen” means “threshold.” If you look at your front door, you’ll see a plank of wood (or a step) that separates the outside world from the inside of your house. When you take a step and cross over it, you’re said to be crossing the threshold.
With that image in mind, you can now understand “liminal space” in two ways.
One, it can be narrowly understood as a SPACE that you cross over to get from one place to another, like that threshold between the exterior and interior of a house. Or two, it can be metaphorically understood as a MOMENT in time when you take a step and cross over from one state of mind (or state of being) into another.
Liminal space is about this crossing-over. It’s basically a transition period. And liminality – as used in the title of this thread — simply dwells on this transition period between two spaces and moments in time.
Do you get it? Easy-peasy, right?
Now, why am I bringing it up?
Four reasons:
One, the drama has lots of these liminal spaces.
Two, there’s a lot of confusion going on during these liminal spaces.
Three, life is full of these liminal spaces or transition periods. Too often, we’re waiting in confusion for things to clear up.
Last, Classy Bitches like to explore things from a different angle than whine when things don’t go their way. (Tsk tsk tsk. Meghan… 🤦♀️🙄)
Here are examples of the liminal spaces in this kdrama. I’ll explain more about characteristics of liminal spaces as we go along. 🙂
1. The opening scene
To me, it’s quite significant that the kdrama began when and where it did: Seohae’s dad waking her up. This is a perfect example of a liminal space.
She was in a liminal state of consciousness: she was half-asleep and half-awake. She was groggy but she was about to come to her full senses.
Then, she was also in-between worlds: she was at a departure area. She was leaving her world and going to another world. She was set to step in a time portal.
Finally, she was conflicted about the purpose of her time-travel. She was ready to cry when her father told her to stay away from Taesul and to enjoy a life. She had no choice but to heed her father because in THAT world, her father’s commands trumped her wishes. Once she crossed over to the other side, however, there was nothing to hold her back and she contacted Taesul.
Hence, I view this whole opening scene as a perfect example of a liminal space in drama. We know that she was on the threshold of something unknown and potentially dangerous. It’s a point of no return. Once she stepped on the uploader, and crossed over to 2020, she wouldn’t see her father again.
2. Her appearance by the train tracks
She woke up and didn’t know where she was.
Symbolically, I thought she found herself at another threshold. You see, the area located around the train track is typically inhabited by the homeless, transients and the “fringes” of society live. But she followed the tracks and arrived at the depot where the Control Bureau gathered waiting for her.
To me, she entered her liminal space at the moment she climbed on top of the train.
This is another characteristic of a liminal space. Aside from being a period of transition, it’s also a period of waiting. Although Seohae left her old world, she couldn’t fully step into this new world just yet. So she must wait – on top of the train — to cross over safely.
No doubt she felt trapped because she was surrounded by the field agents. But she knew she couldn’t hurry the process. She needed to wait until the men left.
We’ll never know how long she spent hiding in plain sight. But her appearance outside Jaesun’s Chinese restaurant meant that she managed to escape the Control Bureau and crossed the metaphorical threshold and entered the new world.
3. The lost time with Jaesun, August 12 – August 15
We can confirm that she met Jaesun on the night of August 12 since it coincided with Taesul’s release from the hospital. We can also verify that she parted ways with Jaesun in the morning of August 15 because that was the day of Taesul’s conference in Busan. However, despite knowing the start and end dates, we cannot establish how many hours she actually spent with Jaesun.
And that’s because when we arranged all the events in a timeline like so:
Sisyphus: Eps 1 & 2 Timelines for Taesul and SeoHae
we discovered that nothing that happened to her during this time period actually lined up in a linear fashion in the outside world.
On the morning of August 13, she woke up and she didn’t know where she was.
She mistook Jaesun, who was bringing her a breakfast tray, for an enemy and she quickly defended herself with a pen.
In the next minute, however, she turned her defenseless back on him to open her suitcase. So much for being battle-hardened soldier!
To me, the time she spent with Jaesun teaches us a lot about her liminal space.
For one, a liminal space doesn’t have to brief or instant. It can be prolonged and stretched-out in a continuum, just as if Seohae was floating in and out of sleep. That was she did during this “lost time” with Jaesun.
One moment, she’d wake up from a dream of being shot on her wedding day,
and in the next moment, she’d be dripping blood, just like in her dream. Although it was just a nosebleed, the blood was ominous.
Time in this luminal space seems to blend in seamlessly. She could be indoors, shading herself from the sunlight through the window, then in the next breath, she would be standing outdoors, marveling at the warmth of the sun and the clean view of the city.
For another, a liminal moment lingers between imagination and reality. We saw Seohae body glitching like a hologram, and the Control Bureau agents missing their shots as if she was a ghost. But no hologram could have that big of an appetite like hers. .
Since there are no clear boundaries between thoughts and actions, and between space and time in a liminal space, its effect can be disorienting to the viewers.
I for one was very confused when I saw Jaesun bring home bananas twice in a row. And I was perplexed when I watch her eat breakfast on August 13, then board the 10:20 train to Busan on August 15…on the very same day.
But one thing that was very clear to me during this liminal moment of hers was her dread for August 13. She had written down in her diary, “2020.08.13. Do not open the suitcase!! (Call Han Taesul!) Take it and run?”
And run she did.
She had no choice really. She disregarded her father’s order and wanted to run after Taesul. She worried that he had opened the suitcase, despite her warning, and that people were going to kill him as a consequence. When the Control Bureau sprang a surprise on her, she ran to escape them. She was almost captured, but she wasn’t done running yet.
She taunted them that she wasn’t going to die that day, before throwing herself and Jaesun off the roof.
In a broad sense, falling off the rooftop was akin to crossing the threshold. This was another liminal space. She took a plunge and committed herself to saving Taesul.
She found herself fast-forwarding to August 15.
4. Train to Busan (zombies optional), August 15
By Episode 5, I could no longer ignore that every critical event in Seohae’s life began with her waking up from sleep. There’s a consistency in the shot selection of the director that was begging for attention. The camera would focus on a tight close-up shot of Seonhae’s eyes when she awakened. Did you notice it?
Take for instance this Busan incident on August 15. She and Taesul were on real time when they fled from the sniper, and then the police. They were about to make a getaway when Mr. Park and his Asian Mart minions arrived. They were brought back to Seoul on Mr. Park’s van.
When she woke up, she didn’t know where they were, and how long they were unconscious.
Just like before, the camera took an extreme close-up of her eyes as she awoke. I think the director wants to draw our attention to her awakening.
It wasn’t long before the two started bickering, each one blaming the other for their situation. Taesul asked for her name, and when she said Seohae, he said, “Seohae? Like the ‘West Sea'”? I think he was implying that the name was an old-fashioned one.
Note: The West Sea is also known as the Yellow Sea. I’m not Korean, but I think that was the sea that Seohae was looking at on the cab ride to the Busan convention center.
They were so noisy squabbling that they alerted their guard who brought them out to Mr. Park. Mr. Park turned on the tv for them. They were not the least bit surprised to hear that it had been 72 hours since Taesul was kidnapped.
I was.
I don’t believe that 24 hours have passed since their kidnapping, much less 72 hours. But okay…if 72 hours did pass as the TV announcer said, then it would be August 18 when they woke up.
They accompanied Mr. Park to witness Jung Hyunki get downloaded from the future. Thanks to some quick thinking by Taesul, they escaped from Mr. Park. Taesul temporarily lost Seohae when she ran away, leaving him to deal with Hyunki.
I thought that was so unlike her and I’m making a mental note of this.
She reappeared just in time to help him and Hyunki get away from the Control Bureau. But she was captured, and knocked unconscious.
When she came to, the Control Bureau assistant threatened to kill her if she didn’t reveal information. She insisted that she wasn’t going to die that day.
As if to prove her prescience, Taesul came out of nowhere and rammed their van with his electric car. Of course, she already knew when she was going to die. According to her diary, she was already dead on her birthday.
That short nap of hers, courtesy of the Control Bureau, resulted in another fast-forward in time. Hyunki asked what day it was, Taesul answered August 19. For good measure, SeoHae specified that it was August 19, 2020. Since Hyunki was a time traveler, the year was also important for him to know.
Now, what’s the liminal space here?
For me, Seohae’s liminal space came twice and both involved taking Taesul’s proffered hand. The first time was when he helped her out of the van. And the second time was when they jumped off the bridge.
Visually, it’s easy to see that she was crossing over when she physically moved from one place to another. She stepped out of the van with Taesul’s help. She jumped off the bridge with Taesul’s guidance.
Symbolically, however, she was transitioning from being strangers to allies. Taesul originally distrusted her and suspected that she was a terrorist. But then she crossed over and became a partner. He didn’t leave her behind in the Control Bureau’s custody; he came to rescue her. Next, he worried about her safety and wanted her to hold onto his hand when jumping off the bridge.
This marked a new stage in their relationship.
5. Seoul, August 19
The other interesting thing I discovered about liminal spaces is that they’re a bit similar to the “shadow/stage” plot device. People who watched “Extraordinary You” with me would know what “shadow/stage” is.
But for people who didn’t watch it, here’s my summary:
The heroine in “Extraordinary You” is horrified to discover that she’s only a minor character, or an extra, in a manhwa. Once she’s awakened to the truth of her limited existence, she rebels. At first, she dislikes being an extra because she wants to be a main cast. In time, she grows to dislike her lack of free will and freedom more than she dislikes being a second-stringer. She detests that she’s a mere puppet, forced to perform “on stage” and to follow a script dictated by the comic book artist.
To her relief, however, she learns that whenever she’s “in the shadows” and isn’t required to act a role on stage, she’s free to do whatever she wants. She realizes then, that the solution to her quest for freedom is to be expunged from the comic book. Being off-stage, out of the limelight and out of the writer’s mind, she can pursue whatever she wants.
pic credit: letstalkabouthis.blog
That’s MY summary of the plot of “Extraordinary You.”
Obviously, “Sisyphus” isn’t about a manhwa but a myth, and Seohae and Taesul aren’t teenagers. But to me, the major similarity of these two kdramas is that their protagonists are trapped in a story that’s predestined to fail so they wrestle against their fates.
Taesul, for instance, must face at least seven assassination attempts and survive each one of them, if mankind is to be saved from a nuclear war.
July 15th Plane accident
August 15th Conference sniper
August 19th World Cup Bridge chase
August 27th Banquet hall at Kim Hanyong’s residence
September 15th Sniper at Tool Shopping Center (Hannam-dong, ending episode 6)
September 30th Amusement Park (Seohae’s birthday)
October 4 Ja-ae Hospital
Hope Nursery School in 2020from @royangi
For her part, Seohae must foil all the assassination attempts and keep Taesul alive.
Moreover, just like the heroine in “Extraordinary You” who went in the “shadows” whenever she wasn’t needed, Seohae goes in the “shadows” too when her intervention isn’t required to save Taesul. My theory is that she sleeps when she isn’t needed in action.
That’s why her days can’t be numbered correctly because some days are skipped over.
In contrast, when she’s needed to prepare and carry out her mission, she wakes up…or is aroused from sleep.
With this theory in mind, it’s easy to understand why her timeline is off-based, and non-linear.
Her father woke her up, saying it was her turn. She reluctantly left her world, and arrived in the year 2020, just when attacks on Taesul were about to begin.
August 13, she woke up to call Taesul to warn him not to open the suitcase. Then, she woke up once more to take one good look at this world she was leaving to pursue Taesul.
August 14 wasn’t important, so that day was passed over as if she was “in the shadows.”
August 15, she appeared at the train station, ready to go to Busan save him from a sniper from the future.
August 16 and 17, no attacks were imminent, so she “slept” through these days.
Then, on August 18/19, Taesul woke her up. They met HyunKi and they ran away from the Control Bureau.
August 19, she conked out after the dive off the World Cup Bridge. Taesul lugged her to SeoJin’s hospital at 11:17 pm.
lol. Didn’t he think that SeoJin would show up to check who disabled her alarm using Taesul’s fingerprint?
Interestingly, she missed meeting SeoJin because she slept through the visit. But while she slept, Taesul was busy at work. When she woke up the following morning, Taesul had already shopped for their clothes, and bought enough food to feed at least three starving elephants. This was before 9 am.
Her question: Where am I?
Question: Has she ever slept in the same place twice??
His snarky answer: I don’t want to tell you. How are you feeling?
This day, August 20, was an important day. They almost walked away from each other because Taesul didn’t want her services. But as they walked from each other, they both experienced dizzying spells.
I like how the camera showed their disequilibrium by tilting the camera. Remember this? It’s called Dutch angle.
The world only righted itself when they were together.
In the same way that the comic book characters in the “Extraordinary You” couldn’t deviate from the original story, Seohae and Taesul cannot make an exit from their Sisyphean myth and work independently.
It seems to me that the liminal space requires Seohae to cross the threshold with Taesul. She cannot walk away from him, and neither can he.
I said I like this shot. It communicates their new comfort zone…graphically.
6. The Q&T Chairman’s residence, August 27
From the evening of August 20 through morning of August 27, Seohae’s existence was “in the shadows.” We didn’t see nor hear anything about her. This was her liminal moment, of course. She was biding her time for the event on August 27.
All we know is that when she woke up, she wasn’t disoriented like in previous times. The first thing she saw when she opened her eyes was Taesul watching her sleep.
We also learned something new about her from Taesul. She had nightmares.
They left his house, and prepared for the party at the Chairman’s place. Of course, somebody was watching them. My guess is it was Sigma. He seemed to like to spy on people.
7. Hannamdong Tool Market, Sept 15
All this time, I’ve only talked about liminal space from Seohae’s perspective, so let’s do it from Taesul’s POV.
I don’t think that Taesul has experienced these same liminal moments like Seohae has, most likely because:
a. he wasn’t a time traveler,
b. he doesn’t have memories of her, or awareness of having lived through this before, and,
c. he died.
Unlike Seohae who had a younger version of herself living in that moment in 2020, Taesul had none.
If I were Seohae and I wanted a fallback, or an emergency plan in case I failed my mission, I would give my younger version the diary. The diary would contain a list of instructions on what to do. That way, if I died before I completed my mission, and Taesul created the uploader in 2021 (after my death) and triggered a nuclear holocaust, I could rely on my younger version to correct it in the future.
This is why Seohae had no recollection of getting married to Taesul, and bopped him on his head saying, “I saved your life! (then chiding herself) I shouldn’t have come here.”
She wasn’t lying nor being coy. She really had no clue because it wasn’t her who married Taesul in that photograph but her previous self.
The only transitional period that I could see for Taesul came after his return from the hospital in Episode 6. He looked disoriented as he walked in his living room. And if you notice, the camera panned around him twice.
Here’s the first time.
Here’s the second time.
Notice anything?
The second time the camera panned the room, a red ceramic appeared on the table. I encircled it in white.
It could be a blooper. Who knows with this prop coordinator?
But if it’s NOT a blooper then it must have been Seohae who left it there for him to spot. Seohae would know how to get inside his home using the backdoor entrance/exit. She was the one with a specially-made EMP. She would think the wedding pic was a joke.
He probably saw it, but he wanted to keep the pretense in order to know what his two best friends were up to. He gave Eddie Kim a chance to come clean. But it was clear that Eddie Kim deferred to SeoJin’s opinion. I think he went along with Seojin to figure out who she was working with and why.
As for the conversation he had with Seohae, I don’t think that Seohae was physically present. He imagined that encounter.
TS: Seohae. Seohae? Seohae. (reaching out to her) What?
lol. That camera shot reminded me of Seohae lifting her hand to block out the sun.
SH: (glancing at the moon, then pointing at the clock. The time says Tuesday, Sept 5, 22:00)
TS: The time. It’s 22:00. The moon. (he calculates) The moon’s azimuth. Its’ 315.9 degrees. Then the date is…September 15th.
Look: Seonhae doesn’t do math. She wouldn’t know about the moon’s azimuth even if the moon fell down from the sky and hit her on the nose at 90 degrees.
But Taeseul would know. He was outside gazing at the night sky. To me, it was his subconscious mind figuring out how to calculate the day by using the moon’s compass bearing. However, Seohae was his inspiration or her “muse.” She jogged his mind. If you ask me, I think this is a foreshadowing of how he’ll invent the uploader in the future.
SH: A month after we first met at the conference.
TS: (smiling) Right. A month after we met. That’s right. I remember everything. I remember everything about you.
Again, I think he was conversing with Seohae in his head. He was beginning to remember and connect the dates. He was tearing up because he was relieved to know that he wasn’t going insane.
SH: Five.
TS: What?
SH: Four. Three. Two. One.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was practicing some sort of self-hypnosis so he could recall for himself the things that SeoJin and Eddie refused to tell him. That’s how he remembered that Mr. Park asking for the key, and the Control Bureau chief asking him for the key, too. Then, he remembered Seohae and their meeting in Busan on August 15. He could have set a specific length of time for his self-hypnosis and a timer to wake him up (in this case, the breaking of the ceramic).
Once he woke up, he knew without a doubt that SeoJin was the one behind his prolonged hospital confinement, not Eddie. Like Mr. Park and the Control Bureau, Seojin wanted the key.
SJ: Taesul. Be careful. You’ll hurt your feet!
TS: (looking at the ceramic) This isn’t mine.
SJ: What?
TS: This isn’t mine.
SJ: Taesul, let’s pick up where we left off. Do you remember where the key is now?
TS: Is that important right now? I made it up, anyway.
Meaning, why was SeoJin asking about the key found in a suitcase if she was adamant that Taesul was simply delusional and made up the conspiracy about the time travelers. After all, the suitcase belonged to a time traveler.
TS: Or did it all happen in real life?
Meaning, if she believed the key existed, then his story about the time traveler was real. He looked at the EMP and there’s a flashback to the night of the party when he gave Seohae the key. He saw the photograph with the note, “I don’t want to get married to you either,” and smiled.
SJ: What’s it?
TS: Nothing.
SJ: What’s that?
TS: I gave this to someone? But it’s right here.
He closed the blinds to darken the room and the activated the EMP.
I think this is as close as Taesul could get to experiencing a liminal space. He doesn’t seem to have any use for it because he didn’t travel back in time. He doesn’t need to “transition.”
To me, the function of this liminal space is twofold:
one, to reconcile the time paradox and inconsistencies as Seohae crosses over from her futuristic world to the present, and
two, to demonstrate Seohae’s steady commitment to the mission.
As I said early, it’s a point of no return for her. Every time she crosses a new threshold, she takes one step further towards her final destiny. She can neither turn around nor avoid it. But, although she’s unable to change the big events that necessarily will have to happen (e.g., the sniper, the bridge, the party, ninja guys at the market, etc.), she continues to alter the little things that she can, in the hope of averting the catastrophe.
🙂
@Packmule3 What an amazing post!
Thank you!
Amazing article with fresh new directions.
There’s too much to comment on at once, but after reviewing a few scenes, I realize there’s still a lot of work to decipher.
36:54
Here, an error in your article.
I was able to check this in maximum quality, 1080p raw.
The red cup appears well on the two shots of the apartment.
But it is true that the addition of the second shot is strange.
It looks like a scene change (so, since it’s the same place, different time).
This is not to show the audience the red cup, since they don’t know its meaning, and the element is lost in the scenery.
On the other hand, it is useful to suggest that Tae Sul scans the apartment with his eyes, and notices that something does not belong here: the red cup!
As we know, his apartment is an “orderly mess”. The people who sequester him don’t have the ability to notice an object that doesn’t belong here, but he does.
53:24
This scene is difficult and easy to forget to read because the first shot after waking up is the red cup falling to the floor.
I first looked at an earlier shot, before Tae Sul falls to the ground under the effect of drugs: there is no red cup near Tae Sul.
But So-Jin’s dialogue indicates what’s going on. (and it’s an easy dialogue to omit).
She sees that the red cup has fallen, but the object is at the other end of the room: that is, where it was in the panning shot! And she doesn’t understand WHY this object fell.
And here, nobody understands either: an inert object on a table, at the other end of the room, suddenly starts falling on the floor, for no reason at all!!!
Add to that: there is no reason for that red-cup to be here with the EMP device in it, except Seo Hae came here and put the object before, a short infiltration mission, during the time Tae Sul was at hospital.
50:43
These are two scenes where Tae Sul receives a bullet in the skull, first Broker Park (event that never happened), then the reproduction of the scene in the white room of the Control Bureau. A scene that was already incomprehensible before.
This leads me to a new theory.
Before describing it, I must explain that, after reading this article, I correct my previous theory.
I was considering that the time loop was entirely identical. Now I am beginning to consider that it is reproduced with variations. As you explain, Seo Hae writes her diary, and can add or change details. By the way, it does depict Sisyphus, pushing the ball and chain Tae Sul.
The variants of the loop do not change the distant future, thanks to an event used to applanate the butterfly effects: the nuclear attack.
In this case, the series of attacks against Tae Sul is not always the same from one loop to another. And the last series described on the back of the picture (subway station) is the one that was the longest. We can assume that during one of the loops, one of the killers managed to kill Tae Sul. In this case, there must be an explanation why a time machine will exist despite the death of Tae Sul. Maybe related to Sigma, who once arrived at point zero (2001), already knows the technology allowing the creation of a downloader/uploader.
I come back to the two scenes of 50:43.
It is possible that these events really took place in previous time loops. And it is possible that Tae Sul has access, through the dream, to these reminiscences. It is the same for Seo Hae, who has the dream of the wedding, whereas she did not live this event. (One could just assume that it was written in her diary, at most).
Let’s go further: the scene in episode 2, 58:00.
Incomprehensible: the head of the Control Bureau says he’s releasing Tae Sul. Then the henchman puts a bullet in his head! Immediately after, Tae Sul wakes up at home with a start. As if he had just had a nightmare.
I don’t have all the explanations of this scene, in particular, why he is first told that he is free, and then he is shot.
However, what is possible: Tae Sul is really shot in the head at this moment and dies!
However, he wakes up alive. Everything that happened before in the drama is part of a previous time loop, after which Tae Sul dies here, shot in the head.
But also: everything that takes place before in the drama is part of the current time loop, which has unfolded so far in the same way as the previous one, except for the end: Tae Sul is released alive.
What I mean by this is that the drama has done a total reset of the story at this point. We see almost two full episodes, and then it’s the end. What happens next? Are we going to show the same scenes again? No, you just have to rewatch the first two episodes again for that, it’s the same. HOWEVER: something is slightly different, making that in the new occurrence, Tae Sul does not die here.
I don’t know if the drama showed us the previous loop first, or the new one with the detail that differs. Simply because I am unable to explain this anomaly: the chief says that Tae Sul is free, then in contradiction, he takes a bullet in the head. It’s as if the two loops had been juxtaposed in this scene.
WEnchanteur,
the reason I dismissed Taesul’s dream of Mr Park and the Control Bureau killing him as just hallucinations or fantasy as opposed to a MEMORY of an actual event in the past timeloop or present time, is because there was no way he could have died BEFORE the invention of the uploader. 🙂
He had to live in order for the uploader to be invented.
Those are just hallucinations of Taesul’s genius mind trying to make sense of everything that happened to him. And the breakthrough (or understanding) came to him in a vision. He realized that all these people were looking for a key: Mr Park, the CB chief, and SeoJin.
You see, SeoJin had been saying that he imagined all this stuff about time travel and illegal aliens from the future. But she was looking for the key.
Mr Park and the CB chief, too, were looking for the key.
But if those two men couldn’t possibly exist, according to SeoJin, because they were associated with his delusions of time travel/illegal travelers, then why is she also looking for the key just like them?
See that?
Taesul figured out this great conundrum in his head.
And when he figured it out, he realized that he wasn’t insane like SeoJin diagnosed, and that SeoJin was gaslighting him. 🙂
I’m not sure about anything, you can imagine. ^^
I don’t have an explanation for the scene in episode 2 in the white room, already. Why Tae Sul is told that he is released, and why he is shot in the head. A particularly important point.
Why when he hallucinates under the effect of drugs, this scene is used again, and another one that never happened with brother Park? According to you, to make the link with So-Jin who is also looking for the key. Okay, but why take an imaginary scene with brother Park? Why not a scene that really happened when Brother Park asks for the key, without shooting a bullet in the head? Just for hitting power on screen ? (quite successfull by the way)
So of course, it shows that all these people are looking for the key, but Sigma?
Let’s not forget that Sigma came from the future first. Whatever happens to Tae Sul, he probably took with him in his suitcase: the plans of the downloader. And now I think, also the plans of the uploader.
He is the only one who doesn’t need the key. And he can build the time machine very well. In this case, Tae Sul as the original builder becomes optional in some time loops, in case he dies before.
According to Seo Hae, if he dies, there will be a nuclear war. Maybe the nuclear war is happening because Sigma stole the invention from Tae Sul and is exploiting it instead?
Your article triggered a few other flash ideas (through an allambic cause and effect link because it is not directly related).
Sigma’s scene in front of his screens:
There is no evidence that this scene takes place today. We have this impression because of the transition from real scene to TV screen. This could be a new trick of the director to play a trompe l’oeil effect (misleading).
This scene could take place in the future, because we didn’t see Sigma capturing Tae Sul’s brother in the present.
The scene would take place shortly before Sigma sends Tae Sul’s brother to the past.
Hence his strange remark when he looks at the TV screen:
“My favorite scene, so romantic”. He has seen this scene many times because he recorded it a long time ago.
If this were today’s Sigma, he couldn’t say that because it’s the first time he’s seen it. Or, it is a recording from a previous time loop (brought in the suitcase?), or Sigma saw this recording before traveling to 2001.
Probabilities.
A quotation must certainly already exist in this genre: an impossible event becomes possible on an infinite number of occurrences.
Here, it is an alternative theory to my previous one:
I assumed that some strange events took place because the future could not be changed. So, for example, Tae Sul can’t die. The sniper at the conference waits 5 minutes before shooting, which is absurd and inconsistent. However, it cannot happen otherwise because Tae Sul will not die.
With a theory assuming variants in the time loop, the explanations become quite different:
So far, the loop has not run an infinite number of times, but a number of times close to infinity. Difference!
At each occurrence, details change, making a favorable outcome more or less close, which is: Tae Sul survives, there is no nuclear war, etc.
However, the chance of this happening is almost zero, the probability of each step is too low. Of course, we can imagine the drama telling us the time when it finally happens!
Some examples:
– The sniper in the conference: 20 million times, he makes a successful shot. Then, there is at least one time when he does not shoot in time.
– The red cup that falls off the table: Impossible! But… Over an almost infinite number of times? Come on, one time, just one out of 10 billion, the cup was sitting wrong, there was a microseismic tremor. Or whatever.
– And just for fun: slow down a 15 meter fall on a vertical wall with a pistol grip, and get out of it without becoming a paraplegic, or even a sprained ankle. Hop, 1 chance in 5 million.
We can add up all the improbable events in the drama, each with almost no chance of success. Then make a combinatorial of the number of chances that it will succeed for the whole. 1 chance in 1000 billion or much more. Out of an infinite number of time loops, it inevitably ends up happening at last. The drama.
What’s appealing about this theory is that it echoes the regular use of lotto numbers in drama. How many chances to win the lottery? Certainly more than getting out of the Sisyphus loop. And the drama tells the winning combination to get out of the loop. The only loop where all the chances, even the most improbable ones, end up by the mathematical repetition of all possible variations in an infinite set.
Sorry not to talk more about the Liminal space/time, the main topic of the article. But it is well explained, and of course raises other questions. How does it fit into the story line? Are there any time jumps? How does the world and the other characters fit their events in relation to Seo Hae? We see that this generates absurdities, like the 2 times 5 bananas. It’s all very strange at the moment. Reactualizations of time? Loss of memories? Moments when the time loop is replayed in its entirety? (and in this case the drama juxtaposes the old and the new in the moment of transition).
Fascinating post and discussion @PM3 and @WEnchanteur!!! Again you’re taking kdrama watching to another level.
Some thoughts:
Agree with @PM3 that TSul’s logical mind made the connection of what’s real and the gaslighting by SeoJin (and Eddie!). Thanks to some tangible intervention by SH with the cup, the emp and picture (although not sure how the cup fell!) and his dream of her and the moon. But is this new in the loop? This eventually led to the bridge scene which is the favorite of Truman show guy so I don’t know.
In ep3, TSul kept asking SH “Who told you that? “ Multiple times that I noted it down. She seemed sheepish to tell him it’s from herself so she just ignored the previous questions but eventually said it’s from the diary – where she wrote (why oh why so cryptic, you should TMI in a diary!) to herself “you’ll save the world if you save TSul ”. That would be admitting to him that they are in time loop. Now that he trusts her, I hope she reveals to him that they are in a time loop and get his help to figure a way out and have a different outcome. He definitely has the brain power and creativity to help unravel the mystery.
I was also wondering about the wedding, it seemed to be in a different time loop (longer one?). Unless they decide within 5 days before her birthday (does she really die on her birthday in 2020?) to get married which is not plausible, it’s too soon.
Excited for today’s episode but can only watch tonight. Can’t wait!!! Wednesday and Thursday evenings are my liminal times.
Oops, it’s in ep5 when they were at the ATM machine.
Thanks @pkml3 and everyone. I’m still in the liminal time between work and no work + completing the re-watch of episode 7. A jump in time I’m dying to make!!
Opppsss, I posted this in the wrong comments section. Sorry.
No worries. I’ll just remove it. Thanks for reposting it on the “right” thread. It saved me time. 🙂
Daebak! @Packmule3 <3 you're awesome! Thanks for this. Hi 5 on your reasons for bringing this up.
The waiting/transition period can be attributed more to SH rather than TSul. i appreciate how you caught on to this detail. love it.
from strangers to allies. from a terrorist in TSul's eyes, SH became a partner. i love this new stage in their relationship very much. SH#2 may not have the wedding memory, but it will be her reality, eventually. i'm rooting for this happy ending.
when you mentioned the Shadow/stage, daebak! didn't realize SH did a lot of sleeping LOL. indeed, she was always waking up somewhere different that's why she's always asking "where am i?" when she wakes up. oh SH. that explains why her timeline is non-linear. i get it. nice @Pkm3 but poor girl SH. glad she had time to recuperate from all the action she has to endure. haha
the liminal space explains the dizzy spells they both experienced. i thought SH was running towards TSul. but it's the other way around. weird. good job on Tsul for taking the initiative and realizing that they're in this together. i've never heard of the "dutch angle" before, but it works. good job on seeing that "street shot" as a graphic view of their new comfort zone. thumbs up.
each step SH takes, she goes one step further towards her final destination. love that line. we can see SH's tenacity …and how the liminal space shows her steady commitment to the mission. love that. go SH! and thanks again @pkm3 for sharing with us the big picture.
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