Twenty-Five Twenty-One: Episode 4 My Takes

I’m going to buck the trend and say that I didn’t like the episode. Here are my reasons:

1. My expectation of a YiJin+Heedo happy ending took a nosedive.

Baek YiJin isn’t Minchae’s dad if she doesn’t recognize his face in the pictures. So there goes that theory that Baek YiJin had a name change.

Grandma to Minchae: Look at how young Back YiJin is.
Minchae: Grandma. Tell me who is Yijin?
Grandma: (naming the faces) Yurim-i. Jiwoong-i. Songwan-i. Your mom. And he’s YiJin-i.
Minchae: Ah. So that’s Baek YiJin.
Grandma: That’s right. Do you know him?
Minchae: Me? No. I don’t know him.

It seems to me that Minchae is familiar with Yurim, Jiwoong and Songhwan because her Grandma didn’t need to explain them to her.

Later, Grandma tells Heedo that Minchae went through the album and saw their group picture.

Nope. I’m not going to fall for that “25 21” engraving on the chest of drawers. They aren’t a couple.

Heedo: When was this? We all look so young.
Mom: At that time, I thought YiJin looked pretty mature. But now that I look at this, he was just a kid.
Heedo: (smiling) He was only 22 back then.

Mom: I met him last month.
Heedo: (looks at her)

So YiJin’s alive. But he isn’t in contact with Heedo.

Mom: (sighing) I can’t believe how much time has passed.

Mom: (then switching topic) I see you’re here eating with Yurim. Were you two close back then?
Heedo: (smiling) No. This was when I absolutely hated her.

Interesting reaction.

a. Heedo smiles while looking at the picture of Yijin when he was 22. Same with Yurim’s picture. But her smile disappears at her mom’s report that she met Yijin recently.

b. In the same conversation, her mom mentions Yijin and Yurim. But she asks nothing about the other two friends.

2. I found the episode too…how do I say this… preachy for me.

In almost every scene, there’s a line that conveys a message or an aphorism. Typically, I don’t mind five or six of these quotes per episode.

But when I’m bombarded with quotable lines every 10 minutes or less, like in this drama, then I get the sense that the writer is using the dialogues do the heavy lifting, instead of letting the actions speak for themselves. I find no subtlety in the dialogues. Neither is there any continuance or connection between the lines as the scenes unfold.

For me, in a well-written kdrama like “Our Beloved Summer” or “Reply 1988,” there’s one thesis (i.e., life is beautiful) that’s introduced in the beginning then developed and expounded until the end. The writer will revolve the story around that statement, weaving it in and out of the main plot and the side plots.

That one line/one idea acts like the glue of the whole episode.

In this drama, however, there’s a hodge-podge of ideas, some of them under-developed, some of them contradictory.

I’ll list 17 of these quotable quotes so you’ll understand what I mean.

a. Timestamp 4:35
Jiwoong commenting on Seunghan’s secret hideout: Image is important.

Got that? Seunghan’s good girl image allowed her to create a hangout room for herself. Later in the episode, you’ll see that Jiwoong also uses his good boy image to win over Yurim and the old lady in the bus.

b. Timestamp 8:12
YiJin: I believe in gravity. The only thing I believe that will be constant in this world is gravity. I don’t believe that anything stays the same forever. Because believing in something like that sets expectations for how things should turn out. However, gravity is constant regardless of any expectations. That’s why I only believe in gravity.

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This is the writer’s warning to the viewers not to expect a happily-ever-after for YiJin and Heedo. How many times does he/she have to warn us? The title of the kdrama itself is named after a song lamenting the evanescence of love and time.

In the season where flowers wither in the wisping wind
I can still feel the touch of your hand
At that time, I couldn’t deeply understand
Even then, the flowers were still beautiful
Oh, your fragrance carried in the wind
Oh, I thought it would last forever, twenty-five, twenty-one

Source: lyricstranslate.com

The problem with YiJin’s line however is that he contradicts him later when he tells Heedo that she gives him hope and that he wants more for you. In effect, he believes in her (and not in gravity alone!) and is setting expectation for how things will work for them.

c. Timestamp 10:23
Coach to Heedo: You think of fencing as a sword fight. You’re wrong. Fencing is a game of wits. You have to be able to read the game. That is strategic thinking.

Okay….so how do we see this “strategic” thinking in practice from her? She criticizes Heedo yet she offers no concrete remedy.

d. Timestamp 15:49
Heedo to YiJin: Don’t try to comfort me. I just want you to make fun of me….That’s right. It feels better when I turn my tragedy into a comedy.

Frankly, this line sounds forced and phony to me.

This mindset doesn’t sound at all like Heedo’s. It sounded more like the screenwriter trying to inject some words of wisdom into the moment. Look: if Heedo really feels this way, then why did she cry about the “Full House” her mother ripped? She should have turned that tragedy into a comedy, right? Also, if she really feels this way, then why did she whine about her mother’s devaluing her efforts? It was no laughing matter to her.

e. Timestamp 17:16
YiJin to Heedo: I heard that every tragedy in life is a comedy if you see it from afar.

Yes. This is more like something Yijin would say.

That said, if Charlie Chaplin’s estate had a dollar for every time this line is quoted in a kdrama, it’d be rich.

Heedo’s response: That means we have to live as if we’re seeing ourselves from afar.

It was hard for me to believe their romantic vibes because the writer was bent on pushing these little musings on life on me.

Heedo: Your dream was to be in space. Let’s live as if we see ourselves from there.
YiJin: I’m happy to watch from where I am. You’re fun to watch even when up close.
Heedo: That’s good to know. It’s only been a month ago when I was told that the times we live in took my dream away. Then, recently, I heard that the times had given me an opportunity. So if you think about it, there’s on such thing as a pure tragedy or comedy. Still, I hope that the road ahead of us is filled with more comedy.

Nope. This again doesn’t sound like Heedo. She sounds preternaturally mature here.

f. Timestamp 25:24
Heedo to the bully: I need your guidance! The fencing team is united! Please let train together.

g. Timestamp 27:41
Old lady in the bus to Jiwoong: Student, you have a pretty face and a pretty heart.

Jiwoon is like Seunghan in the sense that he too has a good image.

h. Timestamp 34:11
Heedo to YiJin during their joyride: What’s so wrong with misspelling a few words? You still understood everything I wrote?

This quote epitomizes her expectations of YiJin. She expects him to understand where she’s coming from. And when he doesn’t, she schools him.

She’s pleased when it starts raining because for her, it’s their chance to be happy when they’re alone. She enthused, “I love getting wet in the rain.”

Who wouldn’t fall in love with her here?

This is a nice interlude for them. It’s all fun and games for them until someone loses an eye …err… cries his eyes out.

i. Timestamp 45:16
Mom to Heedo while looking at the first group picture: At the time, I thought YiJin looked pretty mature. But now that I look at this, he was just a kid.

Isn’t this the theme of this drama? Every adult was once a kid, and if we look hard, the heart of the kid is still inside the adult he (or she) has become.

j. Timestamp 48:53
Heedo to Jiwoong: Now I know why Yurim’s fencing is so elegant. And why coach wanted me to dance.

A bit of addition here. Later in the episode, Heedo tells her coach that she mastered the dance, and that she learned that rhythm is what elevates Yurim’s style of fencing from hers.

That’s true. However, there are other things that dancing taught her, like footwork, spatial awareness, and timing.

Dancing requires attention to footwork. In fencing, footwork allows the fencer to quickly move in towards her opponent during her offence or scramble away during defense.

Dancing also teaches spatial awareness. The dancer knows where her hands, arms, chest, knees are positioned while dancing. In fencing, the fencer must be aware of her stance and the positioning of her body. Heedo needs to angle her body so that she’s only exposing a little bit of her body to her opponent. If she presents her full body, her opponent will obviously have a bigger target.

Also in dance, perfect timing is crucial. The dancer no longer needs to count the beat of the music but her moves are in sync with the rhythm. In fencing, timing is important. The attacking fencer sets the tempo and chooses the right moment for the surprise attack. If the attacking fencer tries to poke his opponent at a random moment, she’ll cede her right-of-way and be counter-attacked. Timing her surprise attack wins the point.

So it’s not only about rhythm.

k. Timestamp 51:17
Yurim to her dad: What if that is the only gold medal I’ll ever have in my entire life? What if this isn’t the star of my heyday and it has already come to an end?

The point of this line is to show that Yurim fears that she’s already a waning star at such at early stage in her career all because Heedo appeared in the horizon.

As much as it’s easy to hate on Yurim because we’re rooting for Heedo, it’s good to remind ourselves that she’s only 18 years old, too. She has her own problems to deal with: financial support, personal insecurity, public expectations of success, bullying, first love, and so on.

Dad: Well, then let it be. Remember, not many people win a gold medal in their life. I respect you, not as your dad, but as a person. Your mom and I are already so proud of you.
Yurim: But I want to do better and provide you and Mom with a comfortable life.
Dad: Hey, then we will have to walk on eggshells around you, and I don’t want that.

I’m glad that her father’s answer indicated unconditional love. Surely, somebody who’s loved like this wouldn’t turn out evil.

l. Timestamp 53:26
Jiwoong to Yurim: But I don’t date my fans.

This is a good rule.

m. Timestamp 57:33
Heedo’s mom to the head of her news network: We have to embrace the times we’re in.

I think it’s ironic that her daughter was oblivious to the times they’re in, while she, as newscaster, was very aware of the times. Also, it’s thanks to her that Heedo was largely protected from the vagaries of the economic crisis.

I like her argument here.

Mom: Some things just have to change.
Head: Even so, our test isn’t some joke. We can’t let high school graduates apply to be a reporter at our network.
Mom: Didn’t you watch the news I covered yesterday? Due to the IMF crisis, at total of 450,000 college students have taken a leave. They will lose out on an opportunity if we limit our openings only to college graduates. I’m not sure what talent we could in that pool, but if it doesn’t matter, go ahead.
Head: I get your point. But this is unprecedented in the history of our newsroom.
Mom: To be honest, what have undergraduates been doing? They neither study nor manage grades. They would just party and date. But they were still wooed into major companies after they graduated. Does the bachelor’s degree matter? (standing up to leave) It’s time for the news.

n. Timestamp 57:55
Heedo’s mom: Does the bachelor’s degree matter?

This is obviously a foreshadowing. YiJin’s a high school graduate but he’s smart enough to pass the difficult test and screening process.

o. Timestamp 1:01:07
Heedo to Yijin: I can’t stand how we’re here like a scene from Romeo and Juliet.

Foreshadowing, much?

p. Timestamp 1:08:58
Coach to Yurim: Hey, you now that an athlete’s ability doesn’t develop steadily. It hits them out of nowhere. That’s what’s scary.

Since Yurim was already scared of being a one-hit wonder, I’m sure the coach’s words just made her more anxious.

She didn’t want to be like the band Aha who had a one-hit wonder, “Take on Me.”

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But this is a foreshadowing, too.

q. Timestamp 1:09:43
YiJin to Heedo: That’s called having a mental fortitude.

Touché.

THAT’s the chief difference between Yurim and Heedo, not rhythm. If it were ONLY about rhythm, then all fencers would take ballet classes or hip-hop lessons to improve their fencing.

What sets the two rivals apart is the mental fortitude. Yurim is intimidated by success, while Heedo isn’t. She just loves to fence.

YiJin: Everybody wants to be as strong-minded as you. They don’t want to be scared of losing and failing. (smiling at her) Sometimes I wish I could take it from you. I think that explains why I miss you when I feel mentally weak….You are by far the most experienced fencer when it comes to losing. Those losses were blocks to build yourself stairs leading up. Think about it. Now, you’ve got the highest staircase. Take your time to climb it and take whatever you want.
Heedo: Why do you root for me? Even my mom doesn’t.
YiJin: Because you give me hope. And I want more for you.

There you have it: 17 passages from the episode.

That’s what I mean by cramming the episode with quotable quotes. You’ll find it hard  to choose one line that encompasses the whole episode.

3. It had the wrong standards on what constitute a good coach.

Read here (or not): On Bad Coaches and Coaching

Question: why am I sticking around with this kdrama when I’m not impressed with the writing?

Answer: Because I want to see cancel culture in action. lol. I want to find out how this writer will cancel all these lovey-dovey moments of Heedo and YiJin, and convince us that their feelings for each other are nothing but a temporary mental weakness of being 25 and 21 years old.

15 Comments On “Twenty-Five Twenty-One: Episode 4 My Takes”

  1. LOL on the first GIF!!! I’m here for the friendship so my romance expectation are kept low. Too bad though that even in the present time, they are not close friends either even with the rest of the squad. Ah… maybe romance ruining a friendship? We’ll see.

  2. Old American Lady (OAL)

    @packmule3, I can’t see a Hendon Yujin romance of any length in this drama. For Heidi, perhaps YJ serves as a first true love but that is not the case for YJ as evidenced by the tapes. The closest KDrama analogy of an end game is the Pard So Dam, Park Bo Gum, Record of Youth where both met care e r goals but went their separate ways, excluding a romance. Many viewers were disappointed in the ending, but given the narrative, it made lots of sense. There is a nostalgia factor in 2521. However, in real life so many of the loves of people’s youth end and given divorce rates, don’t end well. It does not appear that HD and YJ will have a continuous relationship into their respective 21 and 25th year. We may see a split while they do other things-competing in fencing, reporting the news. We’ll probably see a more romantic relationship at 2521. The question for me is about how they separated and why.

    9i think our HD/YJ shippers are in for a disappointment. But, in reality, I think we are seeing individuals with separate problems/issues, who at significant times of their lives were fortunate to be comforted and supported by each other. 9i think this is why our drama is bittersweet. Although it is not comparable, I think about The Way We Were-the chance meeting in front of the Plaza Hotel after all those years when our former lovers, who still had feelings for each other, truly wished each other well, but went their separate ways.i literally cried my eyes out when I first saw it(it was a multiple tissue ending) but it would have been a fantasy had they gotten back together. And in that movie, although they had a child together, their daughter was raised by her second husband without any involvement by her biological father(to me another dagger to the heart). I have resigned myself to a good cathartic relationship at the end of this drama.

  3. Oh dear. 😬

    Oh we’ll if Heedo and Yijin doesn’t have a happy ending then I’ll survive because Hari and Taemoo will. 😂

  4. @agdr03,

    Minchae’s Dad is not YiJin.
    Heedo may or may not be married to Minchae’s Dad.

    If she’s no longer married to Minchae’s Dad, then she may rekindle her last romance with YiJin.

    But if she’s still married to the man, then I don’t like the idea of breaking up her marriage just so viewers can get a happy ending. That’s too messy.

    Right. We still have Taemoo and Hari. 😂😂

    Good night! 💤

  5. @OAL, you’re absolutely right.

    Only in kdramas is “first love” upheld as sacrosanct. 🙂 We’ll see how this goes.

    There’s another drama where the couple went separate ways. Third Luck? Third Try? Third Time? I can’t remember anymore. 😂

  6. Aigoo, I don’t want that too, Older Heedo divorcing or separating just to get back to older YiJin. 🙅🏻‍♀️

    By the way, I saw some speculations that older YiJin might be played by Gong Yoo. I don’t know where they got that from but don’t quote me. 😂

    Taemoo and Hari for the win! ❤️

    Goodnight! ☺️

  7. @agdr03, after someone on BoD reported that real life Gong Yoo sent some congratulations on SNS to Nam Joo Hyuk and someone said they work for the same agency, I said I wished he could play older YJ. They’re both tall and both have slightly sad eyes; visually it would work. But it’s all my fantasy. As @packmule3 pointed out in an earlier post, the budget for the show probably doesn’t run to hiring a superstar, even for a cameo.

    Yes, not for a minute do I want HD to go to YJ unless she is already divorced or never married to Min-chae’s father. Or something like that – if the father was abusive, an unrepentant criminal or remarried – but they speak about him quite neutrally and that he might come if it wasn’t for quarantine, so that doesn’t seem likely. Also, those possibilities are too melodramatic for this drama.

    I think that at the earlier point in their lives, HD and YJ have a very strong emotional attachment to each other. Part of that is due to ‘The Times’, but they don’t necessarily match in terms of personality and professions. I could see Seung-wan with YJ eventually, due to her interest in broadcasting, intellect and her good personality. YJ would never complain about her spelling! 😁

  8. @packmule3, I agree that HD’s lines seem overly mature at times. For a girl who rarely attends classes and seems to only read manhwas, she is very eloquent and philosophical. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it doesn’t seem likely given her lifestyle.

    This is speaking as a mother of two very different daughters, one who reads constantly and is eloquent and one who doesn’t and isn’t. Hee-do’s way of living reminds me very much of the latter.

  9. Yes, someone needs to tell the writer her career should be a marathon and not a sprint so she can save her little nuggets of wisdom for other episodes or dramas instead of forcing someone like HeeDo to say things that don’t feel true to character.
    I think she’s going for something in the vein of My Ahjussi.
    I’m anxious to see how she’s going to wrap this up and how she’ll handle the romance in the side characters, but I’m not completely invested in any of the love stories. I already know HeeDo in the future doesn’t really wow me as a mom or daughter or wife so I’m not expecting to be adding this to my list of top 5 dramas.
    However, Kim tae ri is now on my list of favorite actresses.

  10. GrowingBeautifully (GB)

    Hi @pkml3 I’ve been thinking about what you were saying, that this show had no one clear message, but a hodge-podge of ideas, and many not developed.

    I felt it strongly with Ep 10 when now we have the theme of bullying that is rampant and inherent in Korean culture. From school to work, in sports and academics, etc it is known, accepted, condoned. On top of that, Seung Wan adds the dimension of how school treats students in some ways similar to how prisoners are treated.

    This is a ‘new’ theme rather late in the series. If we take the so called ‘romance’ out of the plot, we have a myriad different messages to think about, but it does not seem that Writer-nim wants to do more than to introduce the possible themes in this show.

    We will need time to see what happens in year 2000 and 2001, when HD reaches age 21.

    It feels like there should be several spinoffs from this series to go more deeply into some of the themes/issues that have been raised.

  11. Did you notice it, too, @GB? 🙂

    I skimmed the first half of Ep 10 and the last few minutes of the show (the mom and daughter car ride). I guess Yurim and Heedo are good friends now.

    I’ll post a blurb tomorrow on the drama. I’m half-asleep as I write this. 😴

  12. GrowingBeautifully (GB)

    Strangely, I’m not receiving any email alerts for messages from this thread, but I do check up on the most recent comments.

    Yes, @pkml3. If we just concentrate on the kids interactions, the story seems coherent, however with a deliberate lack of specific information to maintain a mystery.

    However when we have to consider the plot of 2020 and start looking for a main theme that undergirds both the plot of 1998-2001 and 2020, or for a message that Show is trying to convey, things get foggy.

    All I’m getting now is: ‘what was the case in the past, will not be the case in the present’, which is not much of a message to take away. Six more episodes to sew it nicely together!

  13. GrowingBeautifully (GB)

    Oh yes, @pkml3, Yoo Rim and Hee Do have discovered their chat handles and are best buddies. I heard a question for the next episode … HD asking why YR hated her so much. I can guess why, but I want to hear what she says.

  14. Old American Lady (OAL)

    @GB, I think we have the underpinning of the IMF crisis that so uprooted Korean society making paupers of so many. Perception plays a large role in this drama. YuRim’s family went under and we know she has money problems while trying to keep up appearances. On the other hand, HeDo seems like a typical”rich” girl, who we know has a cold mother and who lost her dad. It does not seem that her schoostes know this part of the story. And although yuRim’s parents have hardships they love their daughter. This is the set up for their animosity which manifests itself through their fencing competition. Only when they become aware of their respective troubles and the fact that they have more emotionally in common do we see the basis for real friendship. The bathroom gossip scene and HeDo’s reaction is the actual turning point. But I also think it’s true as you and Packmule3 have stated, the drama has become muddled and has lost its way. I hope in the remaining episodes that it finds it’s way back to more coherence. I will say that I was happy to see the kids being kids at the beach. It served as a nice interlude. However trouble awaits as does a mini romance that the writer has been building up )and as we have also learned from the character poster). I am impatient for it to start and fou us to get over it so we know what our characters did with the rest of their lives. Right now I ambivalent about older HeDo.

  15. GrowingBeautifully (GB)

    @OAL, it was fortunate that HD and YR had been chatting online for so long already, they’d built a basis of trust. I agree and I’d like their friendship to be based on their deeper knowledge of each other, and not only because they are online friends. It was good that they actually spoke to each other on the phone besides on the computer, and their revelations of their family lives is a start to appreciating how each person suffers in their own way.

    My impression was that YR chose to dislike HD because of her insecurity. She believed and feared that HD was the real fencing prodigy who’d be better than her. To surmount this fear, she chose to attack first, to put HD down, as a means of defence.

    I’ve always liked HD for not taking every opportunity to take revenge on YR. Instead she kept to her good principles, was just and fair, not wanting YR to get hurt, even if that meant she could benefit. It occurred to me that they have free access to each other’s lockers and could have done a lot of harm if they’d been ill-intentioned.

    Yes, I’m in it mainly for the romance now, since the rest of the show is unclear. It’s a long wait until Saturday. 😉

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