The thread is open for you, @agdr03 and @Good_Twin. Have fun!
I’ll check it out when I have time this weekend. 🙂
source: xiaolanhua’s tumblr
Are these two the main leads?
Enjoy the show.
The thread is open for you, @agdr03 and @Good_Twin. Have fun!
I’ll check it out when I have time this weekend. 🙂
source: xiaolanhua’s tumblr
Are these two the main leads?
Enjoy the show.
Thank you @packmule3!! Those are the leads but the fake marriage is with the older brother. This brother is trying to stop it from happening because he wants the older brother to marry someone else. It’s going to be a love/hate/friend quadrangle
I’ve just begun this and already I like the leads so much. Thank you to @agdr03 for recommending it. You know my style. Thank you, @packmule3 for this thread.
@agdr03, you are right about the FL’s knowing references to k-dramas, because she is an actress. She accused him of acting like an mother-in-law. 😄 Delicious.
In episode 1 the FL Na Ah-Jung gave the youngest brother two lipstick kiss prints – once on a document and once on a tissue. Do we count that as two indirect kisses? 😉
I like that the FL Jeon Jong-seo is not conventionally pretty. She acts with a kind of natural fluidity and speed. If you are watching you will know what I mean. The ML Moon Sang-min, I find more good looking than the FL. So far he’s doing well. I haven’t watched anything else that he was in.
@Fern – I think it counts as kiss-offs! I really like this actress – I haven’t seen her before – but I guess she does more serious dramas. There is a scene early on where she is talking to older brother after dropping him off. She isn’t making eye contact – my first reaction to it was this actress is awkward – then we learn later she is lying to him about how she is doing. She wasn’t making eye contact because if we learn anything about this character she has a strong sense of right and wrong and she was uncomfortable lying to him.
I’m not familiar with actor playing ML either – but he seems very adept at comedy. I look forward to ML’s redemption arc because he has no problem using people to achieve his ends. I do like how he has been playing the long game since he was a child.
Ooooooo this sounds very good. DND while I watch this drama… Ok whom am I kidding? The house is a pandemonium. My baby sister (not so baby anymore – more the type of baby people call NIW – giant, adult, a mother herself), her baby, my baby, the caretaker and another NIW type baby aka my husband… Gosh. I’m so grateful to God but it’s exhausting to have so many babies at one time. Everyone keeps asking for food.
Kumawo!!! 🙇🏻♀️❤️❤️❤️
I think you’ll enjoy this too. It might be like A Business Proposal in the making with the main couple ok. 🥰
This pairing is new to me but they’re good. ☺️
@Fern, I’m so happy you like it too. I was laughing at that scene too where AhJung asked him did you bring money? Something like that. 😂
@Good Twin, I like that, kiss-offs! 😂 I feel for JiHan because his been working so hard just to belong and be accepted by his Grandpa.
@Arihsi, wow! Lots of babies, tall and hungry all the time. 😂 That’s definitely exhausting alright. 😃 But please check it out too when you can. 😉
Waaaa! Please delete one of my double post Queen. Thank you. 🙇🏻♀️
I’m using a browser because I can’t reply using my email now. When I click reply on email it says something about a field restriction.
Anyway I actually encountered the ugly wordings this morning using my safari on my phone. I had to clear the cookies and it’s ok now. 😊
@Good Twin, I think I already knew that Ah Jung was lying because of that scene when she asked the bride, who was paying her to act like a friend, to refund her the cost of her meal because she hadn’t eaten anything. It made me think that she was desperate for money. But returning everything she borrowed to meet Do Han at the airport was funny, the car and the handbag, etc. plus giving him the cash that she probably earned posing as a friend.
@Arihsi, okay, your entire family of NIWs made me laugh this morning. And all asking to be fed, like you are their mother.
Are you watching Impossible Heir? It seems like one you would like. I’m not sure but that seems to be going into a Noir or thriller genre. It would be interesting to compare the themes of Wedding Impossible and Impossible Heir because the main theme – children fighting for a conglomerate – is the same or nearly.
I’ve found the first two episode very entertaining too! Much breezier watch than The Impossible Heir so far. I agree there are A Business Proposal vibes, fingers crossed🤞
@Fern, I agree the ML is prettier than the FL, which is just fine by me!
I love the FL character’s guts. Especially when she punches the ML!
@agdr03 and @fern I can’t wait to join you guys ❤️ hopefully it’ll be as good as MMH.
@Hana, breezy is a good description! The humour doesn’t rely on slapstick. It’s cleverly written.
Someone mentioned the taxi scene. Did they mean the ‘assume it’s a taxi’ scene, but it’s actually the company car with manager and CEO grandfather in the front seats? I really liked that scene. The grandfather learned a lot in a very short time.
Hi Everyone on this thread! Now here’s a plot I like.
We get the hows and whys a protagonist makes the decisions she does against her initial inclinations which were just and her original decision which was wise. I loved how Ji Han did something unnecessary to manipulate Ah Jeong and shot himself in the foot. Everyone’s got a lot of growing to do.
Good evening, @GrowingBeautifully. From the very first scenes, we get a view of how Ah Jeong and Ji Han have different ideas of the value of friendship. Ah Jeong poses as a friend for pay at a wedding, but she understands and conveys the great value of friendship in marriage. Ji Han is a ‘friend’ of the groom at the wedding, but we are soon wondering how deep the friendship is as he waltzes out with a property sale contract in his hand after manipulating a situation.
We are shown that Ji Han is not a monster in the convenient scene of him buying all of an old lady peddler’s jujubes and adjuring her to go home before it gets colder. Perhaps he finds it easier to be kind to strangers than to close associates and family? (I wondered what he did with all of the fruit afterwards.)
We are also shown the background of Lee Do Han’s reasons for not wanted to get married. He has a lover in New York and it seems perhaps that the photographer who papped him through the window didn’t quite get a shot of the lover’s face, leading some to speculation. His second class seat on the plane to Korea indicates that he isn’t using his family funds to get a 1st class seat, as his family friend, Yoon Chae Won, does. She invites him to sit near her to converse and lets him know that the family is again planning for them to marry. A photographer, also in the same cabin, is waiting to take a photo of them to publish at the time her family’s company is launching a new product. We hear that she is divorced which is an embarrassment to her family, so they want her in another relationship. She admits that if she must marry into the Lee family (she describes the brothers as being ‘sold into marriage’, she would prefer his younger brother, Lee Ji Han. Lee Do Han encourages her towards Ji Han. However, she seems fairly pragmatic about the whole set-up between the families.
After watching the first two episodes, I am left wondering a few things. Do you think the grandfather knows about Do Han’s secret life? It seems DH was outed in High School, although the students seem to accept Ah Jeong’s defense of him. How would his brother be unaware of that situation?
Why is Ji Han even lower on the ladder than Do Han in terms of the corporation. Clearly he is much more gifted, even from their first meeting when he was only 8. The grandfather would have to be very ignorant to not see it, so why? There was some mention of the two boys being the shame of their mother, presumably because they were illegitimate, but there’s also a cryptic mention of Ji Han being the cause of his parents’ death.
The scene on the bridge in episode 2 was significant. The bridge symbolising both characters changing into another existence – both Ji Han and Ah Jeong have been shifted into introspection. Ah Jeong is experiencing self hatred for wanting to return to a job she rejected for her principles. After finding out that she was hired through nepotism and not through skill, is she ready to offer up her career because her faith in herself has been killed?
I wondered if Ah Jeong isn’t now accepting Do Han’s proposal as an act of self-sacrifice for him as a friend and for her family as well. Her family has supported her though years of bit parts as an actress and they are fatigued; they didn’t appreciate her suggestion to support her until she was 60.
Having said that, I wonder if we’ll ever see Ah Jeong’s father with hair?
There is so much more packed into these 2 episodes. I hope the show can maintain the tension.
🍪🍪🥠🥠🍪🍪 @packmule3, I don’t know why this posted twice since I wrote directly onto the blog and didn’t copy it from a document. It happened to @agdr03 on another post as well. Please delete if you have time.
@Fern,
I did a temporary fix since I don’t have my laptop with me. Will be home in 8 hours to attend to it properly.
Hello @Fern! Thank you for fleshing out the comparison between the attitudes of Ah Jeong and Ji Han with regards to friendship.
I find our 3 protagonists to be entertainingly and amazingly contradictory in what they will or will not do, in terms of pretending, acting, being false while still holding on to their self-image of being relatively good and honest.
We find that although Ah Jung will pretend to be someone she’s not as part of an acting job, she will only do ‘honest’ work and only if it does not hurt someone else. Ji Han, however, is not above pretending to be a friend or practically family, in order to get what he wants. He will use his money and connections to make things go his way without considering the cost to others. He is thoughtless and unaware of the pain he causes, while he probably considers himself a nice guy for buying up the jujubes.
Do Han has another sort of honesty. He cannot honestly marry his friend, Chae Won because it will be under false pretenses/expectations, however he can honestly pay his friend AJ to enter into a fake marriage to continue in the lie about his sexual orientation, and to avoid a ‘real’ marriage.
I find Chae Won intriguing too. She’s good friends with the brothers, knows the ropes with the elders, knows how to smooth things over and not rock the boat, and at the moment seems willing to go along with whatever the elders want. Yes, she prefers Ji Han to Do Han, but will let grandpa think she’s fine with marrying Do Han. Her brand of dishonesty is smarter ie to be on good terms with as many as possible, for as long as she can and give the impressions which gain the most approval.
I feel that Ah Jeong was so full of self-hate at the last because her getting the job had blighted the opportunity of another actress, and yet she still really wanted to continue in the job even after giving it up. She herself had lost many acting opportunities, and some might have been under similar circumstances, hence she felt especially horrible about wanting the job. But she was totally self-aware and honest about this.
With regards to the jujubes, I believe Ji Han shared them out at the meeting in the office. The camera made sure to show us the plates of fruit on the table.
I’m also unclear about why Grandpa does not approve Ji Han as successor and why Ji Han does not consider himself equal to his brother in ranking. He seems to be carrying some guilt from his childhood trauma, thinking he had a hand in his parents’ death. He seems to be trying to make up for it by getting the best position for his brother.
What puzzles me is why the nasty grandchildren say that the Lee brothers are not in the family register and yet can be named as successor or heir. I’d have expected that they should have been asked to take on the Hyun or whatever surname of the family and should have been added to the family register by now.
At the moment it appears that no one in the family knows about Do Han’s secret. Even after his step-brother had him stalked and photographed in New York, they strangely did not realise that his lover was not a woman. If they’d known, they’d have made capital out of it immediately. Their brand of dishonesty is the boring type… they will brown nose Grandpa and pretend to be nice in order to get the inheritance. I like that Grandpa will have none of them.
If Grandpa actually does know DH’s secret, he’s pretending not to. He may be forcing the wedding in order to hide the truth as well.
My take on why AJ accepted DH’s proposal was that she suddenly decided to go on the attack. She turned around to thumb her nose at Ji Han for saying that she was not taking her golden opportunity and because she knew it would really p*ss him off. At the same time she needed the money to satisfy her disgruntled family. At least this ‘job’ was ‘honest’ in that only JH got ‘screwed over’ LOL.
I was saying that JH had shot himself in the foot. He doesn’t realise it yet but he shot himself in both feet because not only is DH going to marry the wrong girl and lose the company, but the girl, AJ, whom he had inadvertently pushed towards DH, was the girl that he himself had begun to like. I look forward to JH’s chagrin!
About the kiss offs… I just rewatched a bit and saw that when JH got the land contract he kissed it… so when AJ kisses one of the sheets of that contract it was an indirect exchange of kisses!!! LOL.
Unlike other dramas where people recognise each other after decades/years of being apart. This Show has JH unable to recognise AJ although he’d seen her sing at the wedding, and then bumped into her after the wedding (I like this meet-cute! It was meet-aggressive!!). It took forever for him to figure that it was the same girl who is the actress, and he only realised it because of the 2nd kiss off. 😆
Many thanks, @packmule3. Safe trip home!
@GrowingBeautifully, good point that AJ was in attack mode at the end of the conversation at the bridge. JH had wrecked her dream. She was hurt, embarrassed both economically and in front of her friends and family as well. AJ was at her lowest point during the conversation but at the end she transferred her chagrin and her anger at herself to him. She cursed him, didn’t she? DH, on the other hand, had offered her the character of her dreams to play for 3 years and in her anger she accepts DH’s offer.
Yes, I’m also curious about DH and his own brand of selfishness. He doesn’t really want to lead the company but feels sort of obliged to indulge JH’s plans for a while? He doesn’t want to be cut off from whatever allowance he gets? He won’t marry Chae Won who is okay with marrying him, but he asks his oldest friend to marry him instead? Is it chivalry towards one or towards the other? Is it disrespect towards one or the other? Or is he selfish and cowardly in not thinking it through, preferring to have a false marriage with a familiar friend?
Another thing I noticed: Choi Joong Chan, the father of the squabbling siblings, purposely didn’t divorce his wife after she left him, keeping control of her stock after her death so her illegitimate younger children couldn’t inherit anything. I hope he wasn’t responsible for the car crash.
More examples of lies and pretending…
JH pretends to be a new employee but he is the real boss behind his ‘secretary’ who pretends to be his manager. At least he tries to get into the company and rise up the ranks by hard work instead of by nepotism. What irony that he imposed nepotism on AJ!
DH lies by omitting to tell AJ that he’s a 3rd generation chaebol. He worked alongside her to earn pittance instead of telling her that he didn’t need the money.
DH does not trust his brother enough to tell him his New York address. He lies easily to JH saying that AJ is his lover, to get JH off his back.
JH hires a reporter to follow Chae Won around.
AJ’s family tell her not to attend the ancestral rites (why? Because she is too outspoken and has no proper job to satisfy the relatives and they are embarrassed by her?)
Yes, so many lies and omissions.
Back to why AJ accepts DH. In episode 1, when they were released by the police, AJ says, “They say an opportunity is bald at the back of its head; so once it passes, you can’t take hold of it again.” Perhaps this time she is determined to better herself, albeit through a deception. Also, when her actress friends asked her why she lied to DH, she said it wasn’t a lie, it was acting and was to save him from feeling bad about her. I think if she decides to marry DH, she should make him give her a written contract for her professional services.
DH and AJ have an interesting conversation after she left grandfather’s house. DH is bad at her for telling grandfather that she would break up with DH so he can inherit the company. He says to her “You’re not even interested in why I lied, right?” In response, she says her idea of a friendship isn’t someone taking her hand and running off together but instead “someone who tells me I can do this to the end.” He responds …”in some situations telling someone they can do it is the cruelest thing to say.” “Telling them you believe in them could become the heaviest burden.”
This dialogue is so smart. It also suggests that DH has another secret beyond being gay because AJ already knows that.
DH has a lot at stake in being outed – he was bullied in high school and at some point in the past someone (was it a family member ?) beat up his boyfriend back at his art studio.
That’s interesting @Good Twin, another secret? Could be…
Perhaps instead of saying anything, as a good friend, one might just ask what the other person would prefer. If it’s something not too good, the friend might advise against it. If it’s something good, the friend could support it.
So the theme of friendship, ‘false’, ‘pretend’, ‘bought’, ‘true’, ‘non-existent’ continues. It’s a portrayal of lots of friendships with their expectations, and the need to change perspectives from time to time.
We have old friends who find out that they do not really understand each other in DH and AJ. Also old friends who seem to understand the situation in Chae Won and the brothers.
We have practically enemies who will end up as lovers in JH and AJ, loyal friends in AJ’s girlfriends, enemies in the Choi siblings. And also sibling and grandfather relationships to navigate as well. A rich tapestry.
I’m trying to decipher the slightly cryptic conversation between DH and his Grandfather Hyun. DH asks why after hiding him all these years, Grandpa is making such a show of him.
DH: “You thought of me as a blemish on my mother. So why are you doing this to me now?”
G Hyun: “I’m doing this because you are a blemish. Since you’re a blemish I cannot erase or cover up. Since things have come to this, my conclusion is to make everyone acknowledge you and shut them up.”
DH: “What about Ji Han?” (Camera shows us Chae Won’s expression… she looks up.) “Both Ji Han and I are my mother’s illegitimate children, so why only me?”
Hyun looks down, perhaps embarrassed: “Ji Han is my blemish. That’s why he’s not the one.”
Earlier, Ji Han has said something about inheriting to DH.
(Timestamp 30:16)
JH: “Just get married. He says he will pass on the company to you.”
DH won’t say why he won’t marry Chae Won. JH suggests that even if DH does not love Chae Won now, feelings could change.
DH: “If it’s that easy, you can just marry Chae Won and inherit the company.”
JH pauses at this with a studied look on his face. It’s something he’s thought about and knows won’t work.
JH: “Grandfather won’t give me that position. He’s giving it to you because it’s you, Hyung. Don’t make me say it when you know everything.”
We have a slight mystery of why the family agree that JH who has more business savvy, is hardworking, dependable and more on the scene than DH is not the one who should inherit the LJ Group. He’s even the one Chae Won would prefer to marry.
The only clue we get in Ep 2 is that JH thinks he’s responsible for his parents’ death, as if that disqualifies him from being the heir. I wonder if that’s the only reason. And why should JH be his grandfather’s blemish.
Nice to see you here @GB! ☺️ I hope you’re feeling much better. 🙏🏼
I’m trying to post at the new thread for this drama but my phone is not letting me. I have the issue again. 😭
Anyway, kumawo for the new thread Queen! 🙇🏻♀️
@agdr03, oh what a pity. I find that I have to change browser or have difficulty posting here. I hope you can get into the new thread after fiddling around with settings.
I’m trying to figure out some stuff and came back to leave thoughts here.
@GB I was wondering too about that comment – one possibility is the boys have different fathers. Maybe the mother was already pregnant with DH when she left her husband. Who knows? I’m just spitballing.
@GB, all good. There’s always a way to get to the blog. 😊
I picked up on that comment too and wasn’t sure what Grandpa meant. JH being his blemish.
I liked the reversal of AJ and JH’s position at the bridge at the end of episode 2. She will be on top now after deciding to marry DH.
@Fern, I’m sure AJ will make sure there is a contract for the fake marriage. It will be interesting if this fake marriage will ever happen though. I can’t imagine AJ marrying DH then divorcing him after 3 years so she can be with JH. Oh I’ve gone crazy. 😂 But I really wish AJ’s Dad will get his hair at the end. 😁
@Good Twin, I really like the dialogues in this drama. It’s very good and it makes you wonder.
@agdr03, @Good Twin, @Fern,
I really like the dialogues too… and the theme of Friendship and Lies. We may need to add the friendship of the 2 secretaries too and how they are trying to invest in the winning brother. (I’m rooting for Secretary Eun Taek to win the heart of AJ’s girlfriend).
We find that friends are hiding stuff or lying to each other for various reasons. Even AJ’s little nephew lies that he ate the kimchi when he didn’t. His mum says that even if no one knows he lied, he himself would bear the guilt of knowing. I like that AJ’s sense of justice stopped her from continuing in the acting job.
However what I especially like are AJ’s and JH’s conversations. Thinking that they would not have any long-term part in each other’s lives, AJ and JH have never had any reason to lie to each other. So far, I believe among all the protagonists, they have been the most honest towards each other, even brutally so. If there should be a way to tell who can be a friend, it should not be someone that one has to lie to, but someone with whom one can be most honest. What irony that our two most honest characters are the enemies! LOL.
I’m happy to join the watchers of this kdrama! I’ve watched the FL in movies “Burning” and “The Call” (where she totally upstaged the lead PSH) but her roles were dark and crazy. So I’ve been wondering and waiting for a lighter show for her and here it is. I agree with @Fern that she is no conventional beauty but there’s something organic when she acts, she draws you in. The ML is new to me but I like him. He resembles Choi Woo Shik but taller and I also like his voice. And he can sing and dance, too!
From the starting credits of animation (which I have to still study closer, my screen is kinda small) and the camera angle of opening scene – the lights/chandelier with the spiral staircase – this is going to be a rabbit hole I’ll be happily diving into for the next several weeks!
Several people already mentioned the good dialogues. I also like the pacing and snappy repartee although I had to often rewind to read through the translations.
The ending of second episode on the bridge was pretty good and I feel AJ’s frustration of being pushed to compromise her moral code. That sob of hers broke my heart. She capitulated but was still defiant in the end. I like this FL!
Hello, All. @Good Twin, I wondered if JH may actually be the Chairman’s son rather than grandson if the Chairman had a mistress. He may have been put into DH’s family as an infant? Or is that too far fetched? He says DH knows the reason.
The dialogues are so clever. AJ’s analogy of the princess vs. Joan of Arc, and the proverb of the three steps between people for example.
Can anyone shed light on the Princess Princess the Mouth of Terror? Even the grandfather laughed at that.
In episode 1 when the secretary described all of the films AJ had been in in the past 5 years. I wondered if any of her stills were from actual dramas.
There was something else that I thought hadn’t been sufficiently translated for other cultures, but I’ll have to look again.
Hi @Janey and @Fern
Yes, this actress is somewhat special in that the minute I watched her, I liked what she was doing. I find her better than other more exalted female leads.
@Fern the Korean idiom or folktale or whatever of the Umbrella Seller and the Salt Seller/Vendor quite escaped me. I searched for it but without much success. There is at least one folk tale (a dark one) of a Salt Vendor who goes around a lot and knows what’s going on … and there’s murder involved. Not been able to find references to Umbrella Vendors though.
@Fern, I did wonder too if by blemish, Hyun meant that JH is his own illegitimate son. But then, all the more he should want to put his own son up for CEO of the LJ group. Why should he only favour DH?
@Fern and @GB – ah, let’s add “blemish” to “secrets”, “lies” “Fake” that abound in this drama.
interestingly, “blemish” was also used on Chae Woon who is being married off to remove the “blemish” of her divorce. The grandpa did say he was naming Dohan as successor because he was a blemish he cannot erase or cover up. Give him power to shut down critics.
I also wonder why grandpa said JH is his blemish. Your theory is possible @Fern. I remember the back hug that JH gave to him at the funeral when he was still a kid. But why would he ignore JH who is even more into the business than artist Dohan?
I like Princess vs Joan of Arc analogy too. But she will always be called “Princess” by her family! AK spews likes like these. Thanks for taking notes and listing them
down. I also Like her adage on 3 steps between people – misunderstanding if you are far, understanding when you are closer, getting into the business of the other when you are closer than the 3 steps. Then she smashes his nose! LOL!
Hello, Everyone.
In addition to the qualities listed above, maybe there is misunderstanding. DH accused JH of using him to further JH’s happiness, but we hear in a conversation between JH and AJ when she asks him why he is so invested in his brother, it seems that he is doing all he can to promote DH’s happiness because at some point in the past DH ‘saved’ JH. As at the end of episode 2, we don’t know what that means.
Do you suppose each brother is trying to support the other? Otherwise, why doesn’t DH come clean to his family and quit the business? I can only think it’s because he believes JH would suffer as well.
It makes me think that no one is really listening to DH. He said to AJ, “Telling them that you believe in them could become the heaviest burden.” He described how he is fearful since his studio got damaged and his friend got beaten. We saw that he ran away from that situation – it seemed like he didn’t even take care of his friend. I would say that DH lacks confidence when faced with stressful situations and shouldn’t be forced towards them. He prefers flight to fight.
@GrowingBeautifully, yes, it was indeed the salt seller vs the umbrella vendor. One anti-marriage and one pro-. In the animation in the intro, a woman places a large umbrella over a man. I’ll have a look to see if I can find out more.