Kalo mesimeri @Packmule3 and Ladies!

Let us see what it will happen tonight…!

Thank you, @packmule3. I’m looking forward to tonight’s episode.

@Growing Beautifully, yes, IS’s mouth works faster than her brain!

Hello @Key and welcome on BOD.

If you check the first thread of the series, you will read comments where BWS indeed sings the songs himself. He took swimming and singing lessons before the show started.

I’m glad to see the plot finally move. I was getting tired of the running.

Remember to watch the epilogue.

This time we get a preview.

@packmule3 Thank you very much for your response. Yes! I’m referring to the first episode and the songs performed by Eclipse. Thank you very much for the clarification 😍😍

Cryptic spoiler

I loved the last few minutes of the MT trip. She knows she’s @GB’s Girl who needs to be saved by the Boy she wants to save and often. But she doesn’t WANT to be saved. Not at the cost of loosing him anyway. I daresay it was done beautifully by KHH. It moves SJ to tears although he doesn’t know the head or tail of what she’s talking about.

I also liked the placement of actors. She’s placed on a higher plane than him. She’s begging him for the noble cause of protecting him at her own cost. Of course she must not be on her knees. Instead, she’s placed higher than him – her sacrifice being bigger. He gets murdered, he doesn’t sacrifice consciously. And to love her was his CHOICE. In no timeline did IS mislead him. But IS CHOOSES to put his welfare before her own consciously. And therefore, she begs from a higher plane.

SPECULATION ⚠️

Earliest in the drama I and @cleo discussed that she can’t have it all. In this drama’s world, there is a “price” that she must pay. And that price is going to be her much cherished mobility. We’re surely moving in that direction. In T0 and T1 she was devastated that she lost her legs. In T3, she’d probably choose to pay the price rather than to loose Sun Jae for the blooming FORTH time. It’s too much for anyone to bear.

About the songs being sung by BWS himself, all songs under band “Eclipse” (which is fictional) on streaming apps, are done by him.

The show did this right after Ep 1. All 4 songs together! This affirmed for me that he’s going to be a successful idol no matter what timeline.

Another surprise is, BWS or the song “sudden shower” is actually charting on all domestic Korean music charts in Top 50/Top 100 which is ridiculous because he’s competing against actual singers/bands and actual musicians.

Domestic Korean charts such as Bugs, Melon etc are geolocked and can’t be influenced by international streaming. They have a really interesting way of collecting data and count only UNIQUE listens.

For example, I row to shallow island with @agdr03 and stream “sudden shower” throughout my 50 hours of trip… It’ll have zilch effect on the song’s charting because I’m not a unique listener after the first time.

It’s super tough to be charting on those things. Not just me, the internet is surprised. Maybe he was born to be a singer like you say @GB. ❤️

PS –

I’m going to be implementing this UNIQUE human reach count (we don’t do anything remotely interesting as music) in real life work. It’ll be complicated but thats the real impact.

Imagine conversation with boss. So where did you get this idea from ? Ummm… Korean Domestic Music charting? LoL LoL LOL 😂

Darn. Lost my comment.

Episode 9. Spoilers sort of, but it has aired so que sera, sera.

@Arihsi, very clever catch about Im Sol’s high placement. Thinking back, there are several places in episode 9 where she is higher than Sun Jae. She arrives back in time high on a horse statue (sort of like a general!), she is lifted by a snare trap at the retreat, she overlooks his house from her balcony/rooftop, she is up on the A-frame’s platform on the retreat, she is carried on his back.

Flirty Sun Jae is back and perceives almost immediately that Im Sol is back in halmeoni mode. He is chuffed and is proud to show her that he is doing well.

Do we need to comment on the Kiss at Kamp superstition? 😄

Im Sol’s Gran certainly has some power over of knowledge of this situation. She was the one who kept the watch for IS.

* SJ finds IS’s backpack on 10 May 2009. Is that why the camera lingered on it during the last scene? I couldn’t tell if there was something unusual about it.

** How did the murderer perceive that the police were looking for him after a year?

@Fern, @Arihsi, @Cleo, @MM, @Janey, @Key
Despite a kind of weariness that came over me while watching Ep 9, I could not help but appreciate Sun Jae all the more after observing him. I added my thoughts in the Deep Dive thread:
https://bitchesoverdramas.com/2024/04/24/lovely-runner-gbs-deep-dive-into-ryu-sun-jaes-shallow-island/#comment-117486

I’ve not much time so briefly:
Taking a leaf from @Janey’s rant … I was tired by the ‘lovely running’ of Im Sol. She is in constant flight and panic mode, often shocked to see SJ, at a loss when accosted by him, continually impulsive, without the ability to pause … take in her surroundings … note where danger may lie and then decide carefully what to do.

I wonder if she can still continue her normal way of doing things even after realising that it was her choices and lack of planning/inadvertent sleeping/foolish way of crossing the road/impulsiveness that led her into situations that threatened her life and SJ’s. Or does she not realise the full extent of the impact of her her choices even now?

The other aspect that is yet to be dealt with … how is she to get on with her studies if in the jump back to 2009 she’s missing her classes and only thinks about avoiding SJ?

The paradox of time jumps into the past remains. Which really came first? If SJ in the original timeline died because he was killed by the same killer who is after IS in the 3rd jump timeline, did that only happen because given the opportunity, IS had gone into 2008 twice. In the unhappy sort of loop back in time, did IS create the situation that she is trying to fix, and by fixing it is she making it better or worse. (Readers will notice that these questions do not end with a question mark.)

So we come back to the mystery of that watch. Why should it be tied to SJ’s life? It seemed to blank out when he was sure to die (or died?) and came back on with a flash when or just before IS pressed it the first time. The first time IS had no choice in the matter. Subsequently, she chooses to return to ‘make things right,’ but perhaps she only delayed the inevitable.

I will concede that IS has no way to have enough knowledge so as to make really good decisions, and that she’s entirely on her own and ‘doing her best’. But I deplore her running into wild boar territory, never seeing the warnings, or drinking that amount of alcohol when she should know better.

I’m happy to see Tae Sung again. We know that he’ll have a part to play beyond being the 3rd wheel. If there might be an alternative to IS being saved without it killing SJ, Tae Sung might be the key to unlock it.

@HK_Lady – I think the legend is that the people who kiss at the camp will marry. The only couple who divorced was because the guy kissed two women at the camp. He married the first, then divorced her to marry the second.

[BTW I’m working on updating my Timeline of Exits and Entrances in the timelines, but couldn’t find a specific date for her re-entry in Timeline 3. The best I could come up with was around March 2, which would be the beginning of the semester for Yonsei U–did you see March 17 on the screen (maybe it wasn’t Arabic numerals?). Thanks for any clarification!]

Sol’s song –

Translation of lyrics

Because it’s not like my heart
I eventually let go of it
That night from back then comes to mind
Walking up the stairs of memory
When I call your name
It seems to become clear again

Did I wait for it?
In the scattered time
Your scent
That suddenly approached me
So it won’t disappear
I won’t go far away
I won’t let go of the hands I held tightly

This moment right now is everything
With you
I might embrace you
Be with you
My everything.

——-

She does not remember loving him. The original title of this drama was “Time walking on memory.” Sol is building her memories as she goes whilst SJ has a whole lifetime of them.

@GB that alcohol was for SJ to figure out what he did at the end of ep 9. Without her blabbering, he’d have never figured it out properly and just doubted it 🙈 whilst it was a bad decision as an individual (it always is), I think it was necessary to move the story forward.

It plays all the time during IS PoV @GB. Right from ep 1 when she runs to him.

An official release below with the exceptionally delicate looking singer Minnie.

https://youtu.be/_lQxaYmt0DQ?si=V-CmzZXFhmXesiSP

It also plays with the kiss in ep 8. I was surprised. No happy / romantic bgm was played but they chose this song ?

The scene with bgm – https://youtu.be/fc-TI9u30q0?si=ldTC2ZgDZQWnK0mY

They are playing a song describing how she wishes she’d remember him / how she forgot all about loving him WHEN she’s kissing him ? HA ! Talk about tragic.

@GB about the love, I think we’d come to know later that she’s loved him back through all timelines including T0. Trouble is, she doesn’t remember. Her hard disk resets either by accident, by trauma or her time jumps.

She needs to start a diary like HI. She actually does have a diary. When is she going to read it ?

Kalimera @Arihsi et al,

Since our Easter happened too, I can say that I will try to be more active.

I agree with @Arihsi in most of what she had written, but I will like to pinpoint some things that are important to say about Sol.

Sol never loved Sun Jae in the original timeline, she didn’t even remember that he saved her. She started being a fan after his words in that radio show.

So, when Sol went back in her First Timetravel, she went there as a fan to save her Idol. During her time there between her First and Second Timetravel, she started to have feelings for Sun Jae herself, but it was her 34 y.o. self who did so.

On the other hand, Sun Jae keep loving her since the beginning. In the Original Timeline from afar. When she returned from her Second Timetravel, she reciprocated his feelings because she had missed him and she wanted to come clear with him.

As @Arihsi said, Sol wants to save him. In this 3rd Timetravel, she also has guilt that is palpable, because SunJae was injured because of her. This has bring her a lot of pain that the 20 y.o. Sun Jae cannot realize. He just thinks, she doesn’t love him / doesn’t want to be with him.

For me a wake up call, will be the girl who is hitting Sun Jae and will be making Sol jealous and in a way Kim Tae Sung because his fate changed because of Sol.

Lastly, @Arihsi, Sol is also in a pedestral by Sun Jae. She may be above him in order to make her sacrifice, but also for Sun Jae, she is someone he has to love and cherish from afar. So, this scene for me was crystal clear.

Also, she accidentally kissed him. So, Sol will do the first move about them being together.

As for the killer, I really think he is time travelling along with Sol.

I’m overjoyed to have you join us @cleo 😃 I was missing your inputs!

Yes ! This occured to me when he sets his Hut on fire.

Eeeeeekkk a killer who follows her across time and space… So scary. I wonder why he is obsessed with her ? I think he’s the one who kills SJ in T0 as well.

We haven’t seen much of the CEO yet either.

I agree 💯 with you @cleo that SJ has no idea of the pain IS goes through.

He keeps dying on her. IS sees his father grieving alone in both first time travel return and second time travel return each time. She watches as In Hyuk falls apart. She watches as he who had so much promise, was so famed, so talented and so loved by the masses perished because of her. And he didn’t even get to experience her love. He just pinned for 15 years and was murdered one day.

No wonder she wants to push him away.

And mind you, she might be scatter brained but she isn’t faint hearted.

She doesn’t faint when SJ is in danger. She doesn’t faint when she sees the same trauma of watching him die again and again. In fact, she frantically springs into action.

@Cleopatra, I think that Tae Sung is important in this way, too. Even if he doesn’t completely understand why as well, he seems to have a better instinct for it than Sun Jae. Partially because Taesung is extra perceptive and clever but also perhaps because he is a bit more removed from Im Sol.

Now that you mention pre-release, there are some very interesting pre-release images up on both official insta of TvN and their website which might interest @GB and @Janey. We might see the end of Noble Idiocy™️ era !!

⚠️ PRE RELEASE IMAGES. EPISODE WILL AIR TONIGHT.

https://tvn.cjenm.com/ko/Lovely-Runner/photo/#localePhotoPopup/27364-17188/3922/%EC%84%9C%EB%A1%9C%EB%A5%BC-%EB%B0%94%EB%9D%BC%EB%B3%B4%EB%8A%94-%EC%95%A0%ED%8B%8B%ED%95%9C-%EB%88%88%EB%B9%9B

Hi all! Isn’t this fun.

I agree TS will help our leads. I think the brief glimpse we got of TS in episode 7 outside IS’ flat in 2023 must’ve been on the day the killer was released. He has been following her case and was looking out for her. He will be selfless too.

How lucky is IS to be surrounded by these strapping, intelligent and selfless men!

@BethB I think IS returned on 17th March 2009

@Arihsi,

So, the second confession is that intense? 😜

Oh hee hee hee… So naughty of you @cleo. No ! I’m stressed! @GB you sleep please. Watch tomorrow. I’m very stressed.

People watch dramas to get away from work. But these days you need work to recover from dramas 🙄

@bethB, thanks for correcting me. guess i have to rewind. i really thought the drunk kiss means divorce. waaaah.

the date 3/17/09 was the date when she looked at the watch before she entered the police station.

@arihsi, i haven’t heard Sol’s song yet. i’m stuck with “sudden shower” LOL it’s on replay on my apple music ahhaha

@Arihsi

*Sighs*

*now they’re sure

* K of any type.

@HK_lady thank you for your trusty recaps. I’m going to need them next week. I am NOT risking it till I know what’s going on.

I also liked “Sudden shower” a lot but now it’s just making it more stressful.

Thank you @cleo. *accepts pats but continues being upset*

I don’t know how @HK_Lady will do a recap of that ! I’m not ready to discuss or theorize at all for the whole of next week 🤧🤧

All of us are of age here, thank goodness. Viewers of a tender age, look away now.

I’m ready for anything in the alcoholic range @Fern. Nothing else will do. On the rocks is better. 🤧 Is it past 5 PM already in Britain? Then it’s an appropriate time to get inebriated. @GB would disapprove but ok.

P.S. @Arihsi don’t be afraid. It won’t happen…

My dear @Arihsi,

I figured it out, hence my comment before.

I don’t want you to worry. Yes, things have changed again.

Sun Jae might not be on Eclipse in the future. I also think that they will encounter the killer back in 2009. But things have changed in the past as well. Tae Sung is becoming more active in Sun Jae and Sol’s life.

My theory so far is this:

Sol’s halmeoni is also blaming herself about what had happened to Sol. We could say that she lost her mind literally because she was the one who said the address to the killer. So, she has dementia ?

I believe that she is rooting for Sun Jae. Her interference when Sol’s mom was praizing TS is very interesting. Sol’s Halmeoni said good words only for Sun Jae.

Also, she said: “We are all going to die.” I take this to be a foreshadowing of shorts. They all going to die, IF they won’t become partners against the killer.

As expected by a lot of us, Tae Sung made Sun Jae to realize that Sol is indeed in love with him too. Also, that guy who talked about that kiss that didn’t happen. And Sun Jae for going to unearthed that time capsule and realized Sol’s fear.

So, now that Sun Jae finally realized the truth, things in the future changed.

Are they going to encounter the serial killer?

Yes, that is not going to change. I truly believe that Sol might lose her mobility this time around. Sun Jae might be injured, that might happen. Is Tae Sung going to be involved? Yes, he will.

I also don’t want TS to die, because I have read some theories about him sacrifising himself for Sol, instead of Sun Jae. If someone has to die, then that should be the culprit’s fate. Afterall, he needs to be punished somehow. He is an evil person.

Sun Jae and Tae Sung will become best friends. Sun Jae might not become an Idol, but a PE and we should be prepared.

I am not afraid we will have a sad ending. Afterall, they kissed in their first retreat so according to the legend they will get married!

I do hope you are feeling better now @Arihsi!

P.S.

The more I think about it, the more I tend to believe that the scene with Halmeoni saying “We are all going to die” is actually a foreshadow for how the incident with the culprit will play out.

Sol went to shut down the electricity switch, in order for Sun Jae and especially Tae Sung not to be electrocuted.

Halmeoni was also there witnessing the thing.

The 2009 incident after the Second Time Travel it was only Sol and Sun Jae. Sun Jae fought with the culprit too and he tried to choke him. Sun Jae also got the scar in his forehead.

Now, we are actually in 2009 and it is Sol’s Third Time Travel. The Culprit is changing his Modus Operanti (MO) in the now 2009.

We saw in Episode 11’s preview that the culprit is using a drug most likely a sedative, that I am pretty sure he actually used when he stabbed Sun Jae his second attempt, after Sol’s second time travel.

So, @GB Unnie, if that is correct that means he is from the Future and he is coming back changing his MO to capture Sol this time around. He might even drug whoever comes into his way.

@Arihsi speculates that he will use a gun this time around. I think he is not into guns, but knives. If Sol loses her mobility again that will happen because she will fall from above.

That’s all for now… *winks*

EPISODE 11

SPOILERS of course

I woke up, made a more complicated breakfast and then watched the episode. Yes!!! That’s what I was kind of hoping for in the previous episode … give the guy enough information and you can be a team to keep each other safe. IS was bungling about on her own for far too long!

The timing was right for the revelation. What would we have done without great coincidences in dramas! SJ would have never checked on the time capsule if he’d not seen the poster with the words that reminded him. If he hadn’t checked the time capsule, would he have figured things out? I think not.

It took the convergence of Tae Sung’s assurances that IS wanted him to protect SJ, with the cryptic words of IS and the time capsule for everything to make sense to SJ.

I’m glad that Tae Sung really stepped up past the pettiness of ex-bf/ex-gf childish nonsense to be the protector of the ‘SJ-IS couple-ship’.

I was thinking that SJ’s dad would be so upset that everything he’d prepared for SJ to get rehab was thrown out the window just like that. Done in a true-blue, dramatic, last-minute change of direction style.

It’s interesting that Eclipse passed the Superstar K auditions without SJ as their vocalist. It was his song that got them through, but not his voice? Or did he join them remotely?

Now that IS is finally not all alone in trying to keep everyone safe, and with Detective Kim and Tae Sung helping on the side, things look more hopeful. 🙂

I’m wondering if the entrances that IS makes into the three timelines symbolize anything. Or maybe it’s the levels she is on (from a desk to a upper floor to a high statue) represent the different levels of love?

• In T1, she wakes up in a classroom, her head on the desk. This is when she is approaching SJ from a school girl crush. She is there to save him as her favorite idol, but she doesn’t remember him from her adolescence at all.

• In T2, she finds herself on shaman’s straw mat during an exorcism on the upper outside level of her house. Her feelings for him at this point are transitional–she still idolizes him but now has T1’s experiences with him, so she has experienced a love that’s more like friendship. [I have no idea how to tie this to the exorcism or the shaman!]

• In T3, she wakes up on a tall horse statue. She is here to save the day, but she is facing backwards, clinging to the horse’s rear. In the altered future, she had recently confessed her feelings to SJ as a man not an idol. This is romantic love, but also a kind of noble love, where she is willing to sacrifice herself for him. (But her landing on the horse’s rear end points to noble idiocy.)

Annyeong,

EP 10 ~ Recap n stuff… 😬

IS tried to explain time travel to SJ by using the movie “Terminator” 🤪 he questioned how his watch became a Time Machine 😅 he was surprised how she got it and that it cost her 3 mill won in an auction. Like who would buy an old watch?!? 🤣 IS wants to give further details but it just stops time. She did explain to him that this is her last trip and that she doesn’t wanna give him mixed signals. To help ease IS *and her excuses- SJ suddenly blurted out that he’s leaving for the US even though he had no plans in doing so.

IS was shocked to hear about SJ getting rehab in the US but it’s a good thing -so she spoke with his dad and her support for his decision. Ooopsie.

Eclipse made it to the 1st round of the Superstar K contest but it comes with a condition- that SJ is the lead singer. He went to SJ’s house to convince him but IS got ahead of them 😅

At the Gangmook Police station, IS was able to give them more info about the Villain’s 2nd vehicle. Good thing the fire did not completely destroy evidence. They found blood dna to match one of the victims and how he’s wanted as a murder suspect. Yay 😀

Back at the University, SJ is also in the “music & film” class as IS but some girl is flirting with him. Is IS jealous or sad coz she has that forlorn look as she looks at him repeatedly during class, in the dark.

HJ and IS were at the same karaoke bar as SJ and friends. To catch a coin that went under their table, IS witnessed the flirt confessed and what she saw as a kiss (NOT). Of course her phone rang giving away her presence. she escaped out of there with a trash can over her head 😂 SJ tried to run after her after hearing HJ shout her name across the room omg. 😳 his buddy gave SJ the impression that IS likes him and she just be feeling jealous.

IS and her bro are venting/ranting – and getting drunk on the rooftop 😂. Very funny. Then IS kicked her shoe in frustration and it flew right where SJ was standing 😆 by the street. SJ tried to confirm a few things: 1. Was it you who ran out of the karaoke bar with a trash can over her head? 2. Did you see it? He didn’t say kiss. She confirmed it when she replied “I don’t secretly watch other people kiss” 😅. 3. How do you feel? Are you upset? Of course she is but she feels she doesn’t have the right to get mad 😭 4. Do you really feel fine about me leaving? She can’t answer. She just bows her head in agony. 5. To me, the last you and the future you- it’s all YOU- In all the times you’ve lived, did you ever like me? Not even for a second? 💔 IS’s inner voice – I don’t deserve to like you. And she denies her feelings 😳

He goes to his room and opens the window. She goes to her room and starts crying. 💔

IH shaves his hair to show how desperate he really wants SJ to sing with the band. He didn’t even get to show SJ his haircut coz he already said YES 🤪 lol

TS visits IS in school with a bag and flowers 💐. SJ sees them. He’s imagining a drama in his head and he’s frustrated 😩 lol. IS realizes that TS is the detective’s son ☺️ she asked him a favor- to tell his dad in 2023 to protect SJ and not her. She also told her she’s from the future. 🤪 TS is proving to be a good detective. He may be one in 2023 and he doesn’t have to tell his dad coz he will do it 👍🏾

SJ is still questioning how IS knows his song 🎶
SJ’s dad tells him he already got the plane ticket for him to leave on… ??? April 10 !!!

TS walks IS home and they find SJ helping her mom with a leak? 💦 it was the grandma who called him for help 😬 it seems TS was there during the flood and now he’s here during a flood haha. So cute seeing both guys holding up bowls to catch the leak 😁 IS just wants them to go home. The mom supports TS and the grandma, SJ. 🙌🏼

Now the guys are showing off their muscles 💪🏼 they’re getting petty. Sure enough, they started fighting and creating a fire hazard. ⚠️ the grandma had to yell at them 😩 good thing IS turned off the breakers in good time aigoo 🥸 ahhh these boys.

Instead of TS sleeping over, SJ told them he will sleep in his room 😱. Is this the beginning of a beautiful friendship? 😎 before they go to bed, TS told him he’s being clueless or blind – to how IS really feels – she cares more for SJ than herself. Told him not to waste his energy on being jealous of him. Told him to Take care of himself.

Eclipse entered the audition without SJ coz he’s at the airport but they passed with his song!! They’re so grateful they went down on the floor facing west LOL 😆

IS heads home and she noticed the villain’s truck and as it started towards her, she runs then she stopped – SJ stood before her. The truck just drove past them. It has to be the villain. She’s freaking out but SJ didn’t care. IS weakens and SJ catches her before she fell down. SJ hugs her. IS starts to sob. SJ keeps hugging her and declared “you like me. I know everything. So I came here to hold onto you” then he showed her the “clock in a box” (while at the airport, reading an ad mentioning “time capsule” reminded him of their time capsule and he left the airport to unearth it) omg 😳 he opened it without waiting til 2023!!! Go SJ 🙌🏼.

💕 I love this part… SJ placed her big hands and cupped her face covering her cheeks saying “stop running away from me. You can just like me. If I die saving you it’s ok. I don’t care”. Tear drops fall off her face. His face. And then he went in to kiss her 💕 under the street lamp 💡

We get a glimpse of 2023 like time stopped and things changed. Instead of the attack on SJ, there’s news of their 5th album and it’s entitled “Destiny” – so apropos

Preview- omg we get precious moments – that will last one month and to be continued in 2023!! 😍 they better catch the bad guy in 2009!!!

Ahhhh can’t wait.

I’ve been thinking why I was super sad last night about the confession. 🤧 The internet seems relieved. BoDers are analysing as per usual. Most people are positive. I’m sitting with a tissue box. 🫣

I think it’s because I understand Sol’s anxiety and identify with it. She DOES NOT want him to die for her. He is not listening. She is not swept off the floor with his grand declarations of love.

She wants him to stay alive and healthy. It’s as simple as that. She’s justified because want is one month anyway? She knows once she returns to the future, the original Sol will forget SJ, he’ll be alone again.

She knows he waited for her for 15 blooming years… Waiting and pining. He fell into depression and insomnia in one timeline and coma in another followed by certain deaths in both. SHE was indirectly responsible for his suffering and his death(s) and she knows this ! She doesn’t want that anymore. She wants him to have a happy and healthy life. Is that not love?

At the airport, she says she is sorry to not reciprocate his affection but she’s more scared of loosing him once more. She wants to avoid loosing him endlessly. SJ says he’s okay to die for her but what about Sol’s wishes ? She doesn’t want a world where he doesn’t exist.

“How do I explain? The day you left this world? That horrible day” she notes in ep 8.

I don’t know. Stay alive and healthy in love. I’m with Sol. Poor girl is out of her mind with valid anxiety given she repeatedly watches him suffer for long periods followed by death.

@arihsi
I didn’t realize that the 5th album does not include SJ. There’s only 3 guys. All I cared was to see eclipse and 5th album LOL

Wow that is weird.

But you’re right – things will change again. I’m sure

Episode 10:

Kalimera, @Cleopatra. Thank you for the clip.

@HK_Lady, thank you for the recap. Yes, Sun Jae’s hands are big enough to cover Im Sol’s entire head. But my goodness, all of the tears.

@Arihsi, I agree. Whilst they are now a team, still it doesn’t take away Im Sol’s anxiety.

Regarding Sun Jae’s absence from Eclipse, there was still the fact that he is studying music and film. It isn’t too late for him to go solo as an actor, singer and songwriter.

@Growing Beautifully, yes, @SJ’s Dad will be super upset. Price of ticket, negotiations for the treatment – not to mention the festering suitcase, which will be symbolic of his dreams for Sun Jae. BTW, I looked up the stem cell treatment for sports injuries and it is indeed a thing, but I don’t know if it was in use back in 2009.

@Beth B, thank you for the colour analysis. I missed much of it on first view.

The Grandmother’s reactions in episode 10 were so interesting. She did get the guys to stop fighting, which led to Sun Jae pulling, or attempting to pull Tae Sung out of danger. A truce that will turn into a friendship of sorts. We will see.

@Arihsi, @Cleo, my ears heard “Neo na joha sa na” or ‘you like me’. It does sound closer to noona, but I listened to it 6 times and it still sounds like (literally ‘you me like’ or) ‘you like me’. Further on in the same conversation he calls her Sol-ra. I figure if he starts calling her noona, then he should call her noona consistently, but that’s not the case.

@Fern thanks for the BTS link. LOL how granny grabbed the opportunity to hang from that muscular arm.

I love SJ’s imagination going overboard each time he thinks of Tae Sung alone with IS. That was so OTT ridiculous.

I think for the continuation of the story, he’d have to sing at some point even in an alternative career timeline due to all these already existing songs in his name in real life.

Perhaps he takes a hiatus from singing to star in the horrendous drama series “Hero”. 😂

That would be the funniest outcome.

The alternative is, he dies before reaching 2023 – the suspense the writer may want to create but unlikely as such. @cleo points out the same. Most of us think this.

Second more dramatic alternative is he takes a break (also indicated in ep1 ). This time for a rehab but the rehab is for SOL. This will suit his temperament a lot. Drop everything and run the moment Sol-ah needs him. Why does Sol need a rehab ? Perhaps she gets a chance to walk again after her spinal injury from fall from height/bullet/other items of mortal peril.

@Cleopatra, kalo mesimeri. I hope the Episode 10 BTS clip will be translated for us. It’s still funny without a translation. There seemed to be an increased coverage of the directors giving instructions to the leads and how the leads interpret the scenes afterwards.

Absolutely wild given he’s not a singer and they’re not a band.

They’re charting in top 10/ top 30 domestic Korean!

https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1788075479741735352

They’re also charting on global itunes top 100. @HK_Lady will be so happy to know! 😁

Hashtag data is life.

PS I read the list of difficulties this drama faced during production and later on. Add to that no big names anywhere, no international streaming on Netflix, prime etc and earlier TvN wasn’t promoting them as much maybe because of low expectations. it’s so cool the way they’re knocking it out of the park in every way now !

Hashtag believe data not your prejudice.

BTW, while we are at the subject!

Here is the Official Video for Sudden Shower with English Subs!

Sun Jae Hwaiting! <3

Ella posted another FMV…

Enjoy!❤️🎈

https://youtu.be/J2Let791Ks0?si=fq783TR4HuDR-enc

Hello, @Arihsi. Hashtag_Data_Is_Life would be a good name for a scientist. 😁

I am amazed that BWS has had no training as such. I wonder if he sang casually in school groups. Of course the music is produced, as is all music these days, to a high degree but you can’t deny a decent voice. His agency must be ecstatic and agencies of other well trained groups and soloists must be grinding their teeth.

@Hana, thank you for that link!

Thanks for the link to the FMV @Cleo! I feel so much for poor IS.

Unnie,

Her life is in a rollercoaster for the past 5 months. So, yeah. I totally get her.
At the same time, since Sun Jae is taking his life in his hands, she needs to trust him and also trust Tae Sung. They will get it right this time !

Dear @Fern

– thank you for sharing the background on the beautiful Minnie. She has this ethereal type of delicate beauty. I struggle to look delicate even with an elevator full of well built adult males. Oh well. 🙄 Her Korean is fluent too given she’s Thai ! Koreans are able to understand her Korean ! When I speak German, Germans request me to use English 🫣

– For a scientist, or even for me hashtag data is life would require the essential addition of RELEVANT. Work erodes nerves when it’s all over the place. Error bars are the bane of existence.

– Regarding BTS clips, the director seems thorough, isn’t it ? He puts BWS hands on his own face to show him how he wants it to look. And BWS hands can conver the whole of the director’s face too 😂

– Yes, the tears… 🥺 At one point, she wants to give him some excuse and deny that he might die. But she can’t get any words out because she’s so overcome with guilt. She just hangs her head and sobs. It’s not silent tears, it’s not gravity defying tears. It’s proper sobbing crying in deep sadness. As a viewer, you can really feel her overwhelming emotions and KHH performance is so convincing. 🤧

@Fern yes the actors did so well to act in those cold conditions.
I appreciate the directors’ attention to detail.

Did you see the director’s comment about how SJ looks good from every angle (360 degrees)? I, of shallow island, agree…
https://youtu.be/NsMrzIIro9Y?feature=shared

Young SJ also has a way with words. How about his declaration of unequivocal love for IS, “To me, the past you, the future you, it’s you all the same”. I will save the rest for shallow island 😊

He does say “You like me.” 너 나 좋아하잖아.
I think Noona will be reserved for cheeky TS.

It’s a pity Sol can’t write the events. The note disappears if the events are going to happen in the future.

Otherwise she could come up with a simple spreadsheet noting each event and colour code it based on whether time stops when she talks about it or not. Then she can proceed to arrange it chronologically followed by annotations of the difference her actions make. All that remains then is to write a couple of python scripts and et volia! She’ll get the exact analysis of how to save Sun Jae along with a statiscal prediction of consequences for her.

Narratively, it might put people to sleep. Our resident author @cleo would be aghast.
@Hana would be left without shallow island worthy 360 degree views of SJ but it’ll be efficient and effective 😉

PS. This we know why I never majored in Litrature. 😜

Kalimera @Arihsi!

I saw what you have written and I wanted to say that your logic is half way right.

When Sol said to Sun Jae about the future and time didn’t stopped in their Uni Retreat, the following variables were not inserted into the mix, aka

1. Going to rehab in the USA.
2. Eclipse going to the Music Contest
3. Sun Jae finding out the truth and taking some decisions about himself and his future.

Those things happened in a later time aka some days later. So up until the retreat Sun Jae was going to sing for Eclipse. After the above variables came into the mix, things have changed again.

Yes, Sun Jae decided for himself to accept his fate let’s say and said so to Sol, in order to just love him in the now without REGRETS, but at the same time, this opened another window of opportunity for him and her of course!

“Sudden Shower” became the song that took Eclipse in the next phase of the competition. Are they going to be four in the next phase or they will play as a trio? It remains to be seen!

Thanks @cleo. I agree. @Fern hee hee. I don’t think it’ll be nearly as normal as that.

@ALL

I saw some serious spoilers everywhere about which I WILL NOT talk here. So if you are on insta / fb / YT and algo remembers your searches, a word of caution.

All I want to say is, Sol, sweetheart, we stand with you BUT. Please. Per favore. Gather your act. You’re at ep 11 ! If not now, when ?

And Sun Jae… People are making entire fan clubs. TvN is planning a special post wrap up “fan meet” of Eclipse+Sol. Can we drop that scary blue shirt + white undershirt combo ? I’m sure there are other colours around here. You’d look ravishing in them all.

Has anyone counted how many time SJ has saved Sol’s life at this point? It was possibly at least twice during these two episodes: catching her off the statue, and (maybe) in the last scene with the white truck. I checked the license plate of the truck the murderer was driving towards her near the reservoir in T2 and it was the same as the license plate of the truck at the end of Ep 10: 52-9409.

BTW–what’s with this guy’s obsession with Sol? I can’t believe it’s just because he saw her at a bus stop on a dark road one night. I’m beginning to wonder if he has some kind of vendetta against her family. Do we know what her father did?

I’m still a little fuzzy on who he murdered at the reservoir–was it the drunk man/hobo who was wrestling with Sol? So he killed him because he kept him from murdering Sol?!

@GB wanted this from Sol right from ep 3-4 I think. Now it’s ep 11, Sol-ah. Jebal. What’s the point of your time travel if in each timeline he has to toil in same way again and again to keep you alive nevermind what happens in the future?

PS – @BethB I’m very curious too as to why the cabbie is so obsessed with killing her that he’s ready to kill anyone (namely SJ) who stands between him and her murder?

@Arihsi, Yes, I want to be able to see the growth in characters who are lacking in some ways in the early episodes. If IS is struggling on her own, finds that her rushing around impulsively repeatedly creates a mess (like butting poor SJ into the water outside the hotel) or that she gets drunk/falls asleep anywhere and can get into trouble as a result, then I’d like her to have reflected on it and avoid doing the same thing again.

Now she has told 2 people that she’s from the future. I hope this is a sign of progress and that she’s not going to go off half-cocked to ‘save’ without telling anyone or planning it with others. After going around alone so much and finding herself in danger or in fear of danger, why doesn’t she do what a normal person does ie ask a friend to keep her company or even just talk on the phone with someone while walking alone at night?

@Arihsi, you mentioned something about this before … What’s with her collapsing into a faint after being rescued or finding herself about to be saved? She seems to have a certain limit to how much adrenaline she can manage, before its levels fall off drastically and she drops into a faint, unable to help herself. In the case of ‘W – Two Worlds Apart’, the collapsing happened because the jump back and forth to the webtoon world and the elapsed time took its toll. That is not made clear here … but rather it happens after she’s been in deadly fear of death or injury.

I looked it up online: “Before fainting, you may experience presyncope. Usually, there is a strong adrenaline surge that brings about a hot flush, cramps, shortness of breath, palpitations, feeling weak at the knees, dizzy, etc. It happens when your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen due to the change in blood flow.” (https://www.topdoctors.co.uk/medical-articles/situational-syncope-why-we-faint-under-stress#:~:text=Before%20fainting%2C%20you%20may%20experience,the%20change%20in%20blood%20flow.)

Perhaps that’s what she has. It’s a pity and a great annoyance that our heroine can only save the day or cause a mess to a point and then collapses in dire need herself!

We can appreciate all her good intentions but perhaps she has caused most of the trouble that she is now trying to prevent. I hope that she does manage to prevent the bad stuff and not alone.

This writer is really good.

Example

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14968613

There was a huge scandal in 2004-2009 Korea (I was in middle school so I didn’t know about this). It was related to fake stem cell therapy and caused a huge stir.

I was very surprised when they mentioned stem cell therapy because even as of 2024, apart from certain specific cancers of the bone marrow, we are FAR AWAY as a human race from stem cell therapies of any type. So I searched a bit and et volia! The writer is referring to a HUGE scandal of the time.

The writer mentioned US but actually she’s referring to the scandal at Korea’s national university.

Hashtag Be responsible. Don’t lie with you data. Someone can lose their life.

@Arihsi, I searched under stem cell therapy for sports injury and it said that it is in practice, but using the patient’s own cells as using others’ cells may result in undesirable ‘side effects’.

Here is an article. It also says that it’s not covered by most insurance companies. So the treatments back in 2009 might have been experimental and Sun Jae may have been part of a trial. Risky.

https://www.sports-health.com/treatment/regenerative-medicine/stem-cell-therapy-sports-injuries#:~:text=A%20surgeon%20may%20stitch%20together,directly%20into%20the%20affected%20area.

There are other websites as well, and there is a mention of very famous athletes having it, but I don’t know if they are perhaps sponsored by companies promoting the idea.

How interesting that in this drama, the stem cell scandal has been punted across the Pacific to America. 🤨

Interesting that the drama punted the 2009 stem cell applications across the Pacific to America. If they were going to punt, I wonder why they didn’t just say ‘overseas’?

Apparently there was/is a Netflix documentary about the Korean research you mentioned above. King of Clones. Here is one article about it:

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/hang-woo-suk-king-of-clones-netflix-explained/

This writer is good part 2 😱

The pocket watch in orange case that Sol put in Sun Jae’s time capsule as a gift appears on Ep 1 ! WHAT !

Please see time stamp 34.23 minutes Episode ONE of all things.

Sol opens her tresure box where she keeps all Sun Jae stuff. In there, nestled in the safety of large pom pom balls, below his relatively modern black watch, sits the orange case of this pocket watch ! 😮

Hee hee not at all @Fern. These doctors explain very well as to why not 😜 They go to great depths to explain to the public where we actually stand wrt stem cell research.

There are many good people still left on Earth 💝 People whose souls pinch them when they see incorrect data floating around and harming the public. I’m sure related to this scam too, some soul must’ve sat through nights and found out that all this was a lie. And they probably took the very risky personal decision of going public with their findings.

I just binged on Episodes 1-10 and I am looking forward to joining the open thread for the next episodes.

@Fern, each time travel drama has its own logic and sometimes I mix the time travel rules from different dramas. I have a soft spot for Kim Tae Sung.

@Snow Flower, if you have read my earlier messages, I agree with you about Tae Sung. Sun Jae may have been first to fall for Im Sol as a teen, but Tae Sung perceives and appreciates her adult soul in all of her time travels. In some ways IS’s time travel benefitted Tae Sung as much as Sun Jae so far. Thanks to her ‘elder scolds’ he seems to be on a better path – she filled the gap in his family situation and inspired him. He could easily have laughed that off and walked away.

Of course Tae Sung won’t get the girl because Sun Jae likes her in all of her incarnations. 😁

@Arihsi, I’m still thinking about Im Sol’s little box of treasures. If they are not all related to Sun Jae, the clock may have been the first thing there, from someone else. If they are all related to Sun Jae, I wonder when she got the travel clock? Perhaps he sent it to her soon after he spoke to her on the radio show, to give her inspiration?

You and others have mentioned that Im Sol might have seen something related to the first murder that her subconscious is hiding from her — probably something to do with the shaman and human sacrifice? I’m guessing the victim was the drunken man although I didn’t catch anything in the captions to confirm that. There must have been some extreme injuries or the person was left tied up, otherwise it may have seemed like an accidental drowning rather than murder. 🤔

I’m waiting for these reveals! But hoping the latter won’t be too gory. 🙈

Kalimera Ladies!

I just came to say Hi! 🙂

No no @cleo… Maybe I didn’t make myself clear… Sorry for the misunderstanding but the webtoon has no reference of why SJ was killed. It DOES NOT even make clear if SJ was killed or committed suicide. It ends at return of Sol T1 which is as early as Ep 4 here.

Why SJ was targeted is NOT mentioned in webtoon. It has only S1 and nothing more.