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Schedule for the rewatch “365: Repeat the Year”:
Episode 7 on 19 Oct 2024
Episode 8 on 26 Oct 2024
Episode 9 on 2 Nov 2024
Episode 10 on 9 Nov 2024
Episode 11 on 16 Nov 2024
Episode 12 on 23 Nov 2024
The usual time:
7:00am PST
10:00am EST
10:00am Caracas
3:00pm London
4:00pm in Paris
5:00pm Athens
10:00pm Singapore
Enjoy the rewatch!
Thanks @pkml3, it’s great to have a thread ready and not to be stressed about where we might party!
I have not caught up with this drama since my travelso. I We’ll know it Will Not join today.
Have a good watch everyone!
I will not be able to join today either. House guests!
Thanks for letting us know @MM. Happy watching! It’s great!!!
Thanks @SD. Have a great time with your guests!
Hi, I’m here early today.
Probably next week, I’ll publish a new short story!
A bit violent, as it’s crime theme but also mystery.
Just 10 minutes, so same size as “the scream”.
Hi @WE, how exciting! I like stories to be short nowadays. No more patience for lengthy prose.
We start NOW!!!
Hi @WE & @GB, let’s go!
Lee Shin comes in as if she could hear what they were saying from outside!!!
Her telling people that they had once been dead and then laughing like it’s the greatest joke is so horrible. She’s enjoying herself at the worst sort of expense.
Hi GB.
Finally Lee Shin put cartes on table.
With a crazy laugh (with echoooo)
Hi @FF!!
Watching this again and knowing what I know from the end of the series… I marvel at the way so many can lie so well.
@WE, I really dislike the way she enjoys the disconcertion, the horror and fear of others like it’s just TV entertainment.
They are just pawns in her game to entertain her. She is a psychiatrist but she seems sick herself.
Hi FF.
Now we have the revelation flashback montage explaining how she saved them at the start of the reset.
But as the fate continues to kill them, she’s curious to know if it could change.
I find her quite arrogant now. ^^
Lee Shin says she has so much time but she’s misusing it in this way, instead of following through from saving them, she’s letting fate take its course.
She ups the game. After 7 months she comes back to make them beg. Such a hateful person!
Lee Shin treats the resetters as an experiment. Sinister Lee Shin.
@WE arrogant and callous. They do not matter because they should be dead and they should be grateful to her that they are alive now.
If she was a decent person, she should have totally saved them because she knew how to do it. She is also lying when she makes it sound like she saved them one by one.
She makes them beg, yet she says she decided to try to save them. What is Lee Shin really up to?
@FF, LS’s experimentation on people was hinted at (now I realise it) by the way her clinic looks. It’s so cold, austere, more like a lab than a place to come to be healed.
Later on there’s an image of a ‘fishbowl’ that is very apt.
@FF, she came back to make the game more exciting for herself. She is provoking/riling them up to get reactions that will entertain her.
@FF Now she goes for Heong Ju to provoke him as well… he won’t take the bait. However the next death is a definite crime unlike the earlier ones, so she’s asking the detective if he’ll try to stop it.
Show deliberately keeps us in suspense, who is the next one to die?
I’m puzzled about the reappearance of Minion Song. She quit but now she’s back? Or quitting was just a lie?
She’s been doing all kinds of stuff when ordered.
She’s even gone to the best lawyers and it’s to get Bae out of jail.
Back at police station, HJ hears that Bae Jung Tae asked for parole. So the expensive lawyers were to get Bae out. HJ thinks Bae will be the one involved in the gruesome killing.
The way the scenes are placed make it such that Bae is in position to get the blame.
Lee Shin has some dealings with Bae I suspect. Minion Song gets the best lawyers on the order of Lee Shin, I believe.
Se Rin goes to GH’s place – tells GH that she had gone to Zian Clinic and knew she would die next.
We don’t know if the FLASHBACK to the meeting with Lee Shin is true or not… it’s what Se Rin tells GH.
FLASHBACK – to get the info on when she’ll die she has to pay a price, but she does not need anything so no price that Se Rin can pay???
Lee Shin: “What I need is fun.”
At this stage we don’t know what is true and what are lies.
Lee Shin continues to poison people mind.
LOOL! It’s almost comedy, even if the girl cries.
Many questions, and we don’t have any answer at end of the scene, ahahah.
@FF, yes, Lee Shin gave Minion Song the order to get the lawyers and get Bae out of prison. I think it’s a matter of timing. LS was away for 7 months, Bae was in prison for 7 months, something is supposed to happen soon. She came back to put pieces in place for her next entertainment.
GH is mad in front of Zian.
And Lee Shin, just let her out, it’s funny.
AAannaaaaaNNNA!!! GH is now convinced she’s next dead.
@WE Poor GH has to eat her words… she refused to play the game but ends up running to Lee Shin to beg to know when she’ll die.
The only one who really didn’t play LS’s game is HJ.
@WE, LS was very cruel. She enjoyed GH’s terror. She loves the power she has to instill fear and make people react out of fear.
In thruth, the next one to die is Maru the dog. 😀
HJ admits that he’s suddenly scared to die although he’d lived with the risk of dying in his job for so long.
Sun Ho says yes it seems like death is for everyone else. I find this conversation touching and ironic.
HJ recalls how he’d cried over SH’s death in the previous timeline.
So much irony. The one who had died is comforting the one who mourned for him and saved him.
There’s more hidden irony here but that will be a spoiler.
@GB, I think Lee Shin is sick. She enjoys watching people crumble in fear.
The ceiling of Zian meeting hall is a round pool of water that reflects on the floor below. The light through the water and the view of the room from outside makes it look like the people in the hall are in a fishbowl. So round and with water movement around them.
@FF, my one grouse is that we don’t get to see criminals being punished. Lee Shin is a kind of criminal who cannot be prosecuted because of the time jump.
Did you see the shot at 25:25 ??
Reflects of GH in mirror.
Else, how make people feels like shit:
“sorry I don’t have more time, I’m waiting for a VIP”.
@WE yes GH multiplied infinite times – her despair multiplied too.
Lee Shin says someone is lying but she is being disingenuous because she’s the one who provoked Se Rin into lying. But now GH starts to doubt Se Rin. But it was LS who started Se Rin on the course to scare GH who had declared she would not play LS’s game. It was LS’s revenge for that.
We learn know that Namsoon girl is a total mytho. 🙂
Now we come to find out more about Se Rin. One thing after another peels the layers off GH’s eyes. She starts to realise Se Rin is a compulsive liar with a mental disorder.
A long fancy name… “Munchausen Syndrome (Factitious disorder imposed on self) – mental health disorder where you falsify, exaggerate, or induce physical, emotional or cognitive disorders.”
I learnt something from this show!!!
@WE, the video that LS sends to GH should make her angry that LS provoked Se Rin to lie to her and that she was just being manipulated like a puppet.
@GB, Lee Shin is petty for doing those little revenge moves just for fun to see people in despair.
@WE, I feel that Lee Shin should get punishment of some kind. She keeps getting away with so much cruelty just because it cannot be ‘proved’.
Se Rin has been abandoned by Choi Young Woong, and no wonder!!! Poor guy has put up with her but he needs to get away from her.
@GB, in my country we call that “mythomany”.
I’ve known a guy having that. It’s useless to confront with the truth and mention they are lying.
Now we see why Bae could beat up Se Rin.
Recalling how Bae had protested his innocence, and how Lee Shin said HJ had made a mistake, HJ thinks that it was because he arrested Bae by mistake. But there was another error she was referring to.
@WE, yes, they are partly delusional and mostly deliberate and ruthless in getting what they want or need.
Young Woong is doing the smart thing. He reports Se Rin so Se Rin goes into stage 2 with GH ie threatening others with self-harm.
A fun plot-point: in so many drama, people ends to be girl-next-door or boy-next-door, for romantic purpose, but here it’s just to underline the girl is crazy. 🙂
Lee Shin laughs like crazy sadist when she learns the truth to Se Rin. Reaaaaallly!!!
@FF, I can understand it that Bae would like to kill Se Rin for what she did to him. It all comes together so nicely, at the right time. Lee Shin is amused.
Now FLASHBACK to when she’s with Se Rin and how she got her to sell out someone else in order to save herself. GH will no longer trust Se Rin.
@WE, yes sadistic is the word for Lee Shin.
Unhinged is the word for Se Rin.
HJ hears from Young Woong that all is not what it seemed when Bae appeared to be beating up Se Rin.
We have here what I call now a “onion flashback”. Each time we see the flashback, we get one next part revealing more of the truth, about Se Rin aggression by Bae.
@WE, this show is full of onions… so many flashbacks that reveal slowly after puzzling us for ages.
Nice name, onion flashback!
@GB, it’s not that easy to make. I had one in W2 with 2 more instances. But most of the ones I have is more simple: a situation, and only one onion flashback showing what happened next in the situation.
@FF now we get the Onion Flashback of Se Rin and Bae. Bae was so stunned.
Now we get the final flashback of the onion, the whole truth about Bae fake agression. It was all Se Rin plan! aaoohh bad girl!!!
Everyone came at that time and Bae was assumed to be the violent perpetrator. Actually, he had said he hated men who harrassed women.
Now he’s out from jail just in time before the next death.
Timestamp 50:00
Zian’s Round hall – we look down on Se Rin looking through the water of the pool ceiling – looking like a fish in a bowl – trapped and experimented upon.
@WE More Onion Flashback to Se Rin when she was in school and causing chaos for Young Woong and her family.
@GB, nope, it’s just flashbacks here. Onion flashback apply (according my definition) to only one scene and we see more of that scene. 😉
GH comes to see LS but it’s not because she’s needy, rather she comes to attack her with her ‘daughter’.
Lee Shin asks GH if she sorted things out with Se Rin. “Even you can’t forgive her that easily, right?”
GH: “Does your daughter know that she’s going through the reset? If she finds out that she’s repeating the same year over and over again because of your cruel hobby, what will she think?”
GH refuses to hear who’s going to die next … won’t let Lee Shin have power over her anymore. But will she regret not saving that next victim?
@WE, ah I see. I applied the onion to the fact that we get to know more and more about the same person and not about the same scene.
@GB, I can’t find the shot you are talking about because my timecodes are different.
Se Rin gets the phonecall that is going to cost her. She should just leave Seoul.
Now we get info on Bae and his sister.
@GB, I know it’s tricky. I made a list of all flashback types I’ve seen in dramas and I use. I need to update the list. Then I’ll publish it again. 😉
Bae and sister, we learn it’s really not the guy who would hurt women, exactly opposite.
Se Rin made a fatal error by going out of the bus.
She could be safe by going away, but now??
@WE… maybe closer to 50:03 on my clock… the fishbowl scenes pop up with Se Rin in Zian mostly, but I saw it with GH too, briefly. All of the resetters who sat in that hall were like fish in an aquarium swimming like crazy and getting nowhere.
Lee Shin showed up 7 months later just to make sure that Bae dies? Is she so unhappy about her own reset that she needs other to feel the same?
So much irony in this episode. HJ brings Bae home and sees him enter his house… but inside it!!! HJ goes off lighthearted that he’s done his part.
So will Bae still be nice to a woman who used him and played him out so cruelly.
Now a new situation that will create onion flashback. Se Rin at Bae home with spoiled gamer.
@FF, she came back to ensure the set up was such that we won’t be able to tell for sure who the culprit is. Bae’s release added a possible culprit.
Plus Se Rin’s lying and using people worked against her. She makes the most likely victim.
Lee Shin just walks around calmly waiting for death to strike the next victim. So sadistic!!!
@WE, so we need to be able to see that scene of Se Rin in Bae’s home more than once to get to peel the onion? But do we get more such scenes?
It’s a quick connexion with the ending.
Se Rin dead in a sewer.
The scene when they discover her is well made, make me remember to comment it!
@WE, why particularly well made?
BTW I read your recap of Dear Hyeri… I have comments if I have not posted yet… I forgot whether I posted or not or maybe it’s just in my notes.
@GB, I didn’t list that. Just I remember the drama use that more than once. So we’ll so more of that for sure. I think the Se-Rin at Bae home is one of them. Or vaguely remember.
It’s a bit obvious because the elipsis from this point to the girl dead in a sewer is so shortly radical.
@GB, yes when I watched the scene, I took mental notes. It’s small elements, but it makes the scene better, if I compare to what it could be in a more simple and direct way.
@WE, yes, just cutting from Se Rin with Bae to Se Rin dead is how Show misdirects us again. It’s forever doing stuff like that.
@GB, it maybe not satisfy all tastes, but I love that. 😀
@GB, from your comments it seems the killer is not Bae. hehe.
@WE, what do you mean… you mean if simpler and direct it will not satisfy or more complicated it will not satisfy? More complicated is more fun but at the same time, needs to not annoy the audience.
@GB, no you confused my two comments.
I was talking about the way it surprises with elipsis and we find the truth later. Here I love that. But somehow, some people are annoyed by this kind of effect.
About the sewer scene, we’ll watch that next episode. There are small details making the scene better.
@FF, this Show is great for making something appear 1 way only for us to find out it wasn’t quite that way. The case in point is how like a victim and innocent Se Rin appeared. She was and she wasn’t.
She caused the trouble that made people wish her gone and her sister even said instead of threatening with her life she should really kill herself. It was harsh but understandable because of what Se Rin did.
At the same time, she’s mentally unwell. Should not be allowed to continue causing chaos, but not sick enough to be locked up.
I have to quit now. So see you soon, probably during the week on Haeri or anything else.
Byyyye!
@WE, I think leaving out things over and over again gets annoying after a while. It’s because the Show deliberately edited the scene to jump to another that we are left in the dark. It’s not because it cleverly did something in another way that distracted us from the clue. So yes, it could annoy people if used too much. It’s not fair that we can’t guess because the info was kept from us.
I prefer that all the clues are shown but we need to be smart enough to see/recognise them and put 2-and-2 together.
Bye @WE!
Bye @WE.
@GB, I know someone who simply hates any kind of drama that requires using the brain power to solve the plot. Yes it can get irritating if over used. See you next week.
@GB, I don’t see things like this. But of course I explain why.
Writer is the controler of information.
And writer controls information because they want an emotional response.
So, in short, manipulate the audience to feel something at one point.
Everything’s on purpose.
Then, about plot-twists, foreshadowing, etc, we can graduate different situations:
– The twist the audience has 0% to anticipate and understand.
– The same but with a very small thing, that makes that only hardcore thinkers can have an hint and guess. Let’s say, almost impossible and just like the previous one. I used that in Ep27 of W2. I even removed a shot with clues because what I wanted was the SHOCK. When your jaw drops and you are no longer able to understand english. But to be fair, there is a tiny chance to guess.
– The classic twist you shouldn’t see it coming, but with enough 2+2 has a chance for you to see it coming, with uncertainty.
– The twist you have reasonable chance to see coming. It’s maybe a bit hidden, but let’s say: for someone like you, anticipation is more easy, because you are used to do 2+2. Then, the goal of the writer is to make it even more great than what you could imagine. (great challenge).
– The twist almost given. So it’s not anymore a twist but rather suspens. You know it comes, but the characters don’t. You squeeze your buts and hope they can overcome it in some way.
@WE, I like the last but one twist that you mentioned in your list above. The kind where the viewer thinks will come but when it does, it’s even more twisted, or the reverse is true. ‘My jaw will drop’ kind of twist.
It’s the writer anticipating what viewers will expect in the twist and then doing a reverse twist.
@GB, There is only a little problem: it’s maybe possible to anticipate audience, but not possible to really change a twist if it doesn’t fit the story. So, the solution is rather to put the twist as it is, but work (or rework) what comes before. So, make anticipate a different twist than the one planned.
@WE, yes that makes more sense. Select the twist that goes with the flow but make it seem like something else will happen instead. Better still, make it seem like there are Twist A or Twist B that could happen but in the end we get Twist C. Heh! I’d love to watch that.
BTW, we can start choosing the next Rewatch Show already. Last time it was a choice between Kairos and 365. So shall we ask on Saturday… we can make other choices or go back to the one we mentioned before?
LS feeds on others emotions so she can feel alive. That is her fun.
@GB. I noticed That we were Seeing scenes through water but I did not think of the fishbowl analogy. So apt.
Hi @MM, it looks like you’re all caught up with this episode. It gets better.
@ GB Yes I am caught up and looking forward to tomorrow’s watch. If I have time I will pre watch the episode.
I noted some comments above about this drama having an indefinable quality, although very good and suspenseful, maybe it lacks an emotional hook, at times? Not sure abut what I am saying. I feel more engaged now as we get a better idea of the psychiatrist’s malevolence, whereas before we only suspected it.
@MM, I guess the emotional aspects are not played out in longer scenes because this is not a romance or family drama and may not have as much impact. However, they are there in the interactions of Heong Ju and his team-mates, and HJ and his reset ‘partner’, GH. His emotional attachment is what adds warmth to this drama.
Maru also adds warmth and softness. There were severl scenes this episode with Maru looking so cute.
Oh no I hope the dog does not die!
I am living in fear that one of the central protgonists will also disillusion us with some hidden aspect of their personality.
@GB @ WE I enjoyed the discussion of the onion layer theory. Very apt. Good concept to keep in mind while watching.
Will we see more of these to do with LS?
Maru means circle in Japanese. Can represent nothing or completeness. It is also a term used affixed to the names of boats to refer to the ship returning. The word also denotes affection and respect.
It is usd as a name across a number of cultures.
I can’t quite remember but is this also the name of her webtoon or of the character in the story?
@MM Her webtoon is ‘Hidden Killer’ and her penname is Maru.
Thanks for sharing your research on what ‘Maru’ means.
The title is very apt for this series, because there is a hidden killer. And her penname with the meaning that you’ve found is also very apt. Ultimately it will come around again to her…. so the circular motif or the motif of returning to where something began, as in a reset, is also very appropriate!