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Schedule for the rewatch “365: Repeat the Year”:
Episode 9 on 2 Nov 2024
Episode 10 on 9 Nov 2024
Episode 11 on 16 Nov 2024
Episode 12 on 23 Nov 2024
The usual time:
7:00am PST
10:00am EST
10:00am Caracas
3:00pm London
4:00pm in Paris
5:00pm Athens
10:00pm Singapore
Enjoy the rewatch!
I believe that from Nov 3, some of us will be having Daylight Savings Time??? If so, please adjust your own time/schedule accordingly as we’ll keep to the same time as Singapore which does not have DST. 🙂
😂😂 I was speed-reading through your post, @GB, and for a nanosecond, I read your DST (Daylight Savings Time) as DJT (Donald J Trump). 🇺🇸🇺🇸
The ball is in your court, @GB. Just tell me what you and the other folks what to do with the time change for those living here in North America.
LOLOL @pkml3, speedreading in this election time will give you unintentional but interesting politically weighted ‘phrases’.
Yes, I’ll keep to my 10pm Singapore time, and hope that everyone who needs to will adjust their party start time when Daylight Savings (see I spelt it out so speedreading should not matter!) kicks in. 🙂
I am not sure if I will be able to watch the drama today. We are having our thanksgiving today because of Family members’ work schedules.
@MM, see how it goes… we’ll miss you, but family comes first!
I can’t watch because I have no internet, but I want to say hi!
Hi back to you @Snow Flower! Wish you had Internet and could join us!
Hi All, it’s time to START!!!
Hello. I am ready to watch!
This Ep 9 packed in a punch and gave us a revelation that was only vaguely hinted at, and nevertheless shocking.
Hi @SD!
I’m strangely sad over Bae Jung Tae’s fate. His backstory was quite weighty.
Hi @SD, @GB.
Hi @FF! I’m just starting.
Looks like Bae does not lock his door… people can just walk in and leave him USB/thumbdrives.
Our police couple have no chance to even watch a movie. At least they understand the tough life of a cop and won’t be upset with each other for not keeping appointments!
What was HJ doing? Watching the pictures in the USB or making a copy?
Hi @GB and @FF. You would think a petty con artist would be more careful! But I agree @GB, after watching this, I think Bae Jung Tae had his own (skewed) moral code. And he cared deeply for his sister. I too felt sorry about his fate.
Sun Ho is wondering why HJ is at the scene of the crime so early, and was the one to call in the police.
@SD, Ga Hyeon is a smart person. She can see the common factor and figure out that the deaths are not random but a result of serial killings.
I’m thinking that everyone was originally murdered by the same serial killer except maybe Heong Ju. He might have been killed by the criminal Oh Myung Chul (the one who killed Sun Ho in the previous timeline).
Is the show trying to mislead us again? Why did Bae call out “Detective?” when he was stabbed?
This killer is proud of his work… kept trophies of the victims. And we cut to HJ looking at pictures of the victims. Show really makes HJ look like the killer.
@FF, good question. Bae just said that he was going to meet Det HJ. Then he answers the door and calls the visitor Detective. So we think he’s speaking with HJ.
@GB, keeping trophies of the victims … sounds just like a serial killer.
The scene between HJ and GH hit differently the first time. For a time, I was deeply suspicious of HJ. The music at the end of the last episode and here in this episode plays a role. As does HJ’s seemingly strange behavior. Why was he so callously sitting at Bae Jung Tae’s computer as his body lays behind him?
The first time then, I was apprehensive about HJ’s response to GH. Is he going to hurt her?
@FF, yes… even the accidental deaths were the work of a killer. Perhaps only the first death might have been a real accident.
Now strangely, a voice recording of Bae’s last moments get sent to the Resetters.
@SD, I would have been suspicious of HJ but the show has misled the viewers too many times and now I am not believing it.
@SD, that goes to show how well this production does in setting us off on the way of thinking that it has designed… lots are done to lead us down the garden path and back.
@FF, yes… like the boy who cried wolf, we are no longer willing to be taken in. There are still a few men who could be the killer besides HJ.
@FF @SD, Now even old man Hwang seems suspicious. He’s talking to Lee Shin?
@SD, I can’t really blame GH for being afraid of HJ. He’s so much bigger than her and he really could kill if he wanted to.
LOL her imagination gets the better of her.
@FF, @SD, now Show uses GH’s vivid imagination as a means of misdirection. LOL.
@GB, for a moment I thought GH’s imagination was real and now GH is being kidnapped.
We have another suspect, the cocky gamer.
@FF @SD, there’s so much going on in this episode.
Not only is HJ becoming a suspect but others are looking suspicious too.
Lee Shin has got something going on about her daughter.
GH gets abducted.
@FF, a slight complication and confusion came about with a totally ‘wallpaper’ sort of character turning up as something else.
Show cleverly gives us the recording yet again but this time different people are hearing it.
Interesting how Bratty Gamer is so sure that he saw HJ as the killer.
Yes, most dramas show memories or imagination in a different hue, often old-timey sepia tones or black and white. Here, this drama, has us see GH’s imagination as though it were real, and we have been primed to follow along, by the previous scenes and GH’s conclusion that this is a crime of a serial killer in a specific jurisdiction.
But because we have been fooled so MANY times before, we are less willing to jump right in.
@GB, I wonder who sent the recordings to the resetters. The sender is deliberately trying to direct everyone to suspect HJ as the killer.
@FF, there was someone who was able to record the whole killing.
Now we have GH in danger from her own manager!!! She gives HJ a crypic message.
Oh no I meant to be there but got caught up in the morning activities here. I will either join or read the comments later. I did just recently watch this episode and finish the series
Hi @MM, you can still jump in and join us. We are at 30+ minutes now.
Next week I believe US and Canada will be in Daylight Savings Time so please remember to adjust when to start watching. There’ll be no time change for the rest of us without DST.
I think.
I need to pay attention to what is happening in my household so that we all get to eat this week!
@GB Thank you for Your consideration.
Once again with the case of GH’s abduction we get the onion flashback before and after the rescue.
We get to see how HJ managed to guess what GH was trying to say and how he knew where to find her. We also see how well Sun Ho and HJ work together as partners. There was some real affection between them.
LOL HJ pretends to be upset that GH doubted him.
@MM sure thing. Happy stocking up the edibles. Read you later.
LOL HJ finds that it’s not only Bratty Gamer and GH who thought he might have been the killer, but all his colleagues as well.
Boss takes him off the Bae case, but at least he’s allowed to continue to investigate Se Rin’s case.
Hi, looks like time changed, so I missed the rewatch.
Where are you in episode?
@GB, I think I just used a banned word and my comment is awaiting moderation. Yes the relationship between Sun Woo and HJ is demonstrates great partnership and mutual understanding.
GH does research and finds out relevant stuff.
Brat is in trouble over the hearing. His father treats him like he could be the killer.
Hi @WE, we at about 49 mins.
Hi FF, thanks.
And Hi to everybody.
So it’s the onion flashback about Bae death now.
Bratty gamer was hidden and witnessed murder.
The gamer claims that he saw HJ as the killer. HJ comes clean with Sun Woo, told him about the resetters.
Hmmm the old has another phone that he uses to call Lee Shin?
Could you believe it, if someone says to you he’s a resetter? Unless this person gives me loto numbers and I win, huh..?!
@WE, nope not even if he gives me loto numbers and I win.
@FF, I could trust it with loto numbers. 😉
But need to get the money for the extra-effort. 😀
The killer reveal, is it for real?
TADAAAAAA… revelation.
Well, at this point, I guessed it was Park. ^^
Bratty gamer is in bad condition now…
Has HJ been trusting the wrong person all this while, wow! The show has been misleading the viewers for too many times and now I cannot quite believe the reveal even if it is real!
@WE if you win the loto numbers of course you will get the money.
It ends with suspens situation:
– we, the audience know about the real killer.
– but the naive HJ thinks about his hyung with tenderness…
@GB, did you doze off?
Hi @WE! Yes @FF, I fell asleep. Woke up and suddenly it’s the end of the show!
@FF, we can trust it, I think.
Because the main thing that changed in this timeline is:
– Bae was saved at first. So could commit crimes.
The previous timeline, he dies, it’s why the people can become resetters.
I wonder if there isn’t a plot-hole? The other timelines, he dies, so how could Lee Shin witnesses that the reseters were murdered?
Wow so we end with another murder and this time, it’s not a misdirection but the ‘real’ thing!
@GB, great, you could do the first part of show when I missed it, and I could make the continuation while you were asleep. Team work! ^^^^^^^^
@WE, no, the other times, Sun Ho did not die. Lee Shin engineered it only in the first timeline that we saw. Next week we’ll see that she gets Oh Myung Chul to kill Sun Ho. That was how she saved the lives of all the resetters at one go. She did not save them one by one – that was the other ‘lie’ or misdirection of this show.
I am crossing over to watch Doubt another suspense drama, read you all tomorrow.
@WE we should arrange team work so that I know when I can sleep!
Anyway back to the point… Lee Shin’s interference with Oh Myung Chul got Sun Ho killed but it also successfully got HJ interested in doing the reset to save Sun Ho. So she killed 2 birds with 1 stone by setting Sun Ho up to be killed – then saved… then she could sit back and watch the ‘entertainment’ of whether the Resetters got killed or not.
I still do not see how Lee Shin would have known that Sun Ho was the culprit unless he was caught before January 2020. But who would have caught him?
Bye @FF!
Bye @FF. Bye @GB, @WE. See you all next week (which for me will be an hour earlier).
@SD, I’m guessing that Sun Ho must have been caught sometime in 2020, after committing all those murders in 2019. There might have been news that she remembered of him as the murderer before she did her first Reset.
Because she recalled him, she did research on all his victims and found out more about them, then she planned the last but 1 Reset to have Sun Ho killed, so that this current Reset, HJ would save him.
Bye @SD!
@WE, if for @SD and @MM, it’s an hour earlier, then it should be an hour earlier for you too! But you thought it was an hour later!!!
@GB, Oh yeah. I inverted the situation. In fact, it was first time she “kills” bae in previous timeline so the resetters survive. So, no plot-hole!!
I wish you all a good week too.
Huh, errata, I mean “Park” the cop sunbae, not “Bae”.
Bye @WE!
Yes this was a really good episode. The set up was so good for us to think HJ Was the murderer. As others Above noted , we have all become sceptical, though. I had been worried that HJ would turn out to be bad So I did have a shadow of a doubt. Great dramatic build up.
I love AHA Moments and this episode was one big one! For some subliminal Reason
It dawned on me who the killer was A little bit before the reveal. I think it was the scenes of them being close and hj Trusting sh in a way that felt like too much.
As WE Points out SH did seem to accept the time Travel somewhat too easily But I did not immediately clue into that piece of evidence..
At some point I Had the flash understanding that HJ Had inadvertently caused all these murders by rescuing Someone who was dead in the previous time line. The best AHA moment of the episode.
If I have time I may rewatch this episode to note the different Dramatic Factors that went into my sudden realization. My realization was not a reasoned one but a eureka moment so it was more at a processing level that I was unaware of.
How did the show do that is my big question?
I wonder how others experience this reveal?
@MM, @SD, @FF, @WE
Yes, the most ‘goosebump moment’ (to use @WE’s phrase) is the realisation that in the first time before we saw the Reset, HJ had unwittingly mourned the death of a Killer, and had Reset to prevent him from dying, but had then caused reality to ‘revert’ more or less to what it had been where all the Resetters died.
For Sun Ho, it must have been a ‘goosebump’ thing to realise that every single one of his victims was known to HJ and to Lee Shin. Later on we will see that he found out about the Reset not only from HJ but also from Bae. I don’t remember who told him first, but after he had spoken to both Bae and HJ, he realised that the Reset was true.
My guess (and what @WE told me) about what happened before and during the 4 or more times that Lee Shin Reset. She seems to have a great memory and she remembered that a Killer who was a cop was arrested in 2020 (before she started her Resets).
In the first few Resets, she finds out who the victims of this Killer are and remembers them. In the 5th Reset, she changes 1 thing so that Sun Ho dies (I think instead of HJ, who would have been killed by Oh Myung Chul). Sun Ho would need to have died in early 2019, in order for him not to have killed the Resetters.
Lee Shin would have waited patiently until Jan 2020 to invite the Resetters to return to 2019. She guessed that HJ would have wanted to Reset in order to keep Sun Ho from dying, so he was the key player in her horribly cruel game.
She was amused throughout that the righteous cop who was trying to solve all those murders was the one who had enabled the Killer to live and kill. I feel that maybe only the death of the first Resetter may have really been an accident, but all the others were the work of the Killer. I cannot be sure, though, because the Driver he replaced was also killed later. Did Sun Ho plan to kill that truck driver, no matter what?
The interesting thing about that first case, then, is that instead of the actual driver being invited to do the Reset, Lee Shin invited the replacement truck driver to Reset. He was killed almost immediately upon waking from the Reset, but the original driver had not been spared either.
Strangely, the ruthless Sun Ho really had a soft spot for HJ. I’ll leave it here with only these minor spoilers so that we can enjoy the last 3 episodes with more goosebumps!!!
@GB @MM,
I can’t remember my impression the first time I saw the drama.
Maybe I didn’t see the plot twist coming.
For the rewatch, as I remembered that Hyung Joo is innocent, I thought of Park Sun Ho as soon as the victim Bae said ‘detective’.
To analyse a little why the twist produces the ‘Woo!’ or ‘AHA’ effect… 😉
I suspect that this effect is achieved because the audience can guess just before, in a confused way. Or rather: having the exact information beforehand to produce the ‘Woo’ effect.
To reduce the risk of the audience suspecting Park Sun Ho too easily, there are false leads first:
50:20, the onion-flashback showing Bratty Gamer as the witness to the crime, and saying he saw the culprit: Hyung Joo!!!! Reinforces the fact that we can suspect him again, while the suspicions we the audience had of him had dissipated since the previous cliffhanger.
50:40, To further muddy the waters: Park Sun Ho himself says that it could be a false testimony. This puts him outside the suspicions of the audience.
To make the twist more intense, the following subplots help the audience to understand the background: how it relates to the high-concept.
55:25, Ga Hyun and Hwang No Sub discuss why Lee Shin uses reseters. The fact that she needs the loop to find a way to save her daughter by checking if the murders are taking place (not said directly, but we know).
55:40, Continuation of the scene where Hyung Joo reveals the Reset to Park Sun Ho. So now we have the flashbacks of how he avoided death.
From this point on, our brains can work (even in the background, lol) and connect the dots: the only thing that changes between them being alive for the reset, or dead the other times is: Park Sun Ho is alive. Which would make him the ideal culprit.
With only 10 minutes to go before the cliffhanger, it’s not certain we’ll have time to fully realise this before the reveal. But in any case, it will support the revelation. Produce extra effect by realising how the high-concept played out.
So this is a case where the scriptwriter gives enough information, but not enough time to think. As a result, the surprise works. It shouldn’t be too difficult to find other examples.
Just MOTA, in the catacombs. We have quite a bit of information: the fact that Jinro’s assistant has disappeared while fighting the bots. Then before the twist: Jinro hears ‘an ally has appeared’. Then we are shown the death of the assistant. At this point, we may have guessed! No doubt this reinforces the next scene, where we see the ally!
I rewatched the Twilight Zone episode ‘after hours’. The audience has plenty of information to guess the final twist. And yet it’s still surprising, and probably amplified by the previous clues.
It’s a similar process to the end of the film ‘Usual Suspect’. The policeman realises who the culprit is (and so does the audience), but the final scene showing the culprit strikes a chord.
Here is a comment from @MM that for some reason she could not paste here.
@GB TY
Another thought, The suspicious sounding music May have actually clued me into this Being a misdirect because it was so obvious.
@WE and @MM
@WE, I went off to watch Twilight Zone’s ‘After Hours’ to see what you meant. I guess I was already primed from the start on what to expect, but I remember that back in the day, I’d have been shocked or disturbed by the final twist.
@MM, yes it was Bratty Gamer who had witnessed the murder of Bae and who recorded it all, and then sent the audio recording to the Resetters and to the police. He’s one character I do not feel much sorrow for when the Killer finally got him.
I suppose some questions will remain unanswered, like how and who finally caught the Killer.
As for the time loops, well each Reset is a loop back to the same date in 2019, before the events take place, and the creation of a new current year and future.
I look back on the great teamwork and good conversations that Sun Ho and Heong Ju had, how Sun Ho tried to be fair towards HJ, their camaraderie and shared moments just chilling over beers … and I’m kind of sad. This show actually is able to engender that kind of emotion in me over a fictional killer and his friend.
Yes, I too really feel for HJ.
From @MM
@MM, now I have to listen to the music again!!!
@MM @WE,
I was jumping around watching bits of the episode again and am struck by the great irony of the witness Brat, looking at Killer in the eye and telling him that he witnessed the killing with his own eyes but then he says he sees HJ!!! Killer must have been shocked but relieved. It’s so ironically good that it becomes funny – that Brat is telling that to the Killer himself and now the Killer has to try not to let HJ take the blame for what he himself has done LOL.
I need.
To check what other scripts the script writer has written. This is just so good on so many levels.
For a good part of the drama I was worried that SH would think HJ was the murderer. Well done, show! Even when Bae said detective as he was being killed I did not think of SH. One of my thoughts was that SH would feel so badly when he realized SH had rescued him. Do not remember why I was thinking this.
Also just as we are seeing HJ apparently murdering Bae and sitting at his computer we have shots of GH realizing all the murders are related to HJ’s precinct.
@ SD Yes the music in the scene after Bae’s murder enhances our suspicion of HJ.
@GB I cannot keep track of all the deaths the way you do so I cannot comment on whether all were murders.
Who did sent out the voice recording? The bratty gamer?
Yes Hwang becomes suspicious. He was also a sweet old man playing the role of an oriental healer in Live up to Your Name, in addition to the role WE mentions, don’t remember which show that was. I am thinking what a great casting choice he is to keep us from being suspicious of him and to be disappointed when we realize his evil ways.
“wallpaper character” that is a great expression. That did take some mental processing. Felt very random. But the clues were there.
@SD @GB So these are not quite time loops as we normally understand them(if we can understand them}. I have the same question as SD about who caught SH originally or was it HJ in a kind of time loop?
@ WE Yes it makes sense that the ‘Woo” effect is achieved becuase we are primed for it just beforehand but not earlier.
So much thought and design went into this script.
I am really looking forward to the rest of the episodes rewatches. I will corral my family into a more organized approach to meal planning at some other time than the rewatch times.
Pasting worked using my phone rather than my tablet. I find skinny comments difficult to read.So I tried it again.
I wonder if internet Traffic runs into the same problems as vehicle traffic on the morning after a time change?😁
@GB Thank you again For posting my comment. Otherwise I probably would have felt very frustrated.
@MM, you’re welcome and it’s my pleasure. I was about to come back here to see what I may have missed.
@MM, alas, one of the writer is “new” (probably assistant breaking-in).
The other didn’t made a lot but still:
Swallow the Sun
It has bad rating on MDL, but I hear it was a good drama from other sources.
Just, I never watched it, so can’t say more.
I’ll come back to comment further, but as I had that in my mind, wanted to post fast.
Here, some long writing (I don’t know yet if it will be a wall).
It’s about plot-twists.
I tried to resume (very clumsily) thoughts about plot-twist in a previous comment.
I just remember GB answered to this.
Then now, you probably know: I’m a plot-twist addict.
I wrote tons of plot-twists in W season 2.
I did it in a way I rewatched so much movies and great dramas that I didn’t need to put too much intellect into this. It was just intuitive about how to make it best.
So I made all kind of plot-twists:
– The kind you guess easely, but striking hard nevertheless.
Many variations on the scale of what you can guess until…
– The one with almost zero information that you are almost unable to guess.
Now, thanks to our discussion here, I think it’s worth it to put more analys and intellect into this. I posted many comments during W rewatch, many details, precisions. Yet, I never made the plot-twist analyses.
So I start with this one. WARNING – SPOILERS !!!
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SPOILERS !!!!
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Ok, we are here, you watched the drama so…
In episode 9:
The episode ends with a huge plot-twist:
Oh Sung-Moo doesn’t has a face and can speak only like the faceless killer does!
Just here we are like:
“FFffFkkkkkkinnnnng Shit, I can’t know what happens here”.
It’s a plot-twist that relies on:
“surprise first / Explain later”.
Like I already commented toooooooooooons of time.
But it’s not the exact truth!!!
First we see in the episode:
Sung-Moo decides to give his face to the killer.
So Kang Chul can trust it and follows the plan to end the manwha.
This is early in the episode!
So, somehow, we forget it a bit.
Then Yeon-Joo goes in W, while that seems impossible. Unexpected.
Then she sees there was a massacre at W TV set.
So, she also think: “what’s going on?”
“It’s not the script intented by my father (Sung-Moo). Why he does that?”
Then, the final twist wasn’t that (totally) surprising.
We could catch a hint to guess (Sung-Moo giving his face). But really difficult.
Then, the most important: the writer raises TENSION.
Yeon-Joo go into W, witness the massacre. HUH? HUH?
What’s going wrong? It’s big!
We guess there is something happening about Sung-Moo. No idea what.
Then comes the plot-twist!
So, in real, it’s not a “surprise first/explain later” plot-twist.
It’s “raises anticipation / Surprise-explain” plot-twist.
With a very small chance to guess what happens.