As much as I enjoyed these two episodes, I have a few pet peeves that I need to get off my chest. Spoilers abound.
A. The editing
Since we aren’t film majors in this blog, I’ll give a basic definition of my understanding of film editing. Editing is the process of selecting, cutting, combining and (re)organizing camera shots and scenes, as well as dialogues and sounds to create a finished product consistent with the director’s vision of the story.
Two scenes in these first episodes that could have been shortened were:
a) the chase/fighting scene between our female lead YeoRi and the girl possessed by the one-legged evil spirit. I don’t know about you, but I don’t enjoy watching two women slugging it out.
b) the practice sword duel of the villainous minister. The duel had no purpose but to show that the minister was brutal and still spry despite his years.
In lieu of these prolonged scenes, viewers could have been shown – and not told – that YeoRi and the male lead had been circling the woods for two days because Kang Cheol had enchanted the woods to keep YeoRi from going to Hanyang.
Furthermore, better editing could have been use to organize the flashbacks about Kang Cheol.
I get it that this serpent-like creature named Kang Cheol (KC) was an integral character in the story. The drama started with the shaman narrating KC’s unfortunate saga to her granddaughter YeoRi. The shaman said that KC used to be a dragon that had spent a thousand years practicing self-discipline in the depths of a pond (and essentially, minding its own business) in order to ascend to the heavens. But, just as it was about to achieve its hard-earned goal of apotheosis, it was spotted weaving its way up to the skies by an infant. Since there was a divine rule that no ascending dragons should be detected by human eyes, KC was turned back into an “imoogi” or a serpent-like creature. Apparently, an imoogi is a downgrade from a dragon, and takes on a human form but with scales.
The shaman called KC’s situation an “unfortunate” mishap. (Ha! I would have called it “tragic.”) There was nothing KC could do to appeal against this inflexible decree from the heavens. As a result, KC harbored a deep and perpetual hatred for mankind. (Hmph! Does that make sense to you? I would have cursed the heavens instead for being so uncompromising and intransigent.)
Now, that’s the backstory of KC. I don’t mind it really, and I think it deserved to be in the opening scene. However, what I disliked about the editing is the constant flashback to the first time YeoRi learned about KC. I blame poor editing for the repetitive and out-of-sequence flashbacks. It caused confusion.
If I were to reassemble things in chronological order, this is what happened:
1. Thirteen years ago, KC spotted YeoRi while she was playing by the waterfall. (This was a scene from Episode 2.)
She was only 13 years old back then. KC was mesmerized at the sight of her. In his own words, he hadn’t seen a “human in perfect harmony with heaven and earth. A child who will become a vessel, worthy enough to cleanse human impurity.”
Sidenotes: Doesn’t this situation feel a bit icky to you? A 1000+ year old creature being enchanted by a 13-year-old child? Okay….
Also, was this the same waterfall where KC used to practice its self-discipline as a dragon? Is water somehow significant to KC? I’ll have to remember this.
2. KC began following stalking YeoRi so she reported him to her grandmother/the shaman (a scene from Episode 1).
Noteworthy: At their first encounter by the waterfall, she gave KC a big smile. She didn’t look afraid of him. But things must have changed after he began stalking her and she discovered that he was an imoogi (or a serpent-like creature). She must have felt endangered/threatened by him. By the time she approached her grandmother, she was clearly in distress.
Also noteworthy: YeoRi interrupted her grandmother while she was performing a ritual in front of the villagers. YeoRi chose a PUBLIC reveal rather than a private one. Naturally then, the whole village was alarmed to learn that YeoRi had led KC to the village. After her grandmother died, the villagers turned against her for bringing KC into their midst. And in turn, she blamed KC for her situation.
I’m pointing this out because I think it’s unfair to accuse KC of “sabotaging” her life by killing her grandmother when she had no evidence that KC was directly involved in her grandmother’s death. It wouldn’t surprise me if KC got a bad rap because humans needed a scapegoat, and KC was blamed for every disaster even if he had nothing to do with it.
3. Her grandmother recounted the backstory of KC to YeoRi later that night at their hut (this was the opening scene in Episode 1).
Sidenote: To me, the grandmother was trying to paint a sympathetic picture of KC to the young child YeoRi. For the grandmother’s point-of-view, KC’s hatred for humans was understandable, considering his great personal loss and his tragic circumstance.
However, from YeoRi’s perspective, KC was simply a wicked spirit and his hatred was unjustifiable. She reasoned that while he had miserable luck, he didn’t have to take his anger and frustration out on innocent human beings.
Personally, I find YeoRi’s mindset a bit inflexible and intolerant. Yes, a wounded animal is an aggressive one. But if she had an ounce more empathy in her – or if put herself in his snake-skinned shoes – then surely she could pity KC and find a way to help him out of his miserable existence.
4. Later in Episode 1, her grandmother gave her the magic stone.
She explained to YeoRi that the “impurity caused by humans must be cleansed through a human filled with divine power. If a shaman (like YeoRi) with a pure spirit and great capacity takes an imoogi that failed to become a dragon as her guardian, and offers sincere prayers to the heavens, legend has it that it can become a dragon again and ascend.”
She then gave the stone to YeoRi to ward off KC.
Sidenote: Her adamant refusal to help KC is odd considering that she was moved to help the wicked one-legged spirit. If I were her, I would have offered to help KC ascend to heaven, if only to get rid of his constant presence by my side. But maybe there’s more action involved (or more sacrifice required) than just the ritualistic “sincere prayers” the grandmother had told her.
That’s how I re-ordered the flashbacks in these first two episodes if I were to do the editing.
B. The love triangle
To me, one of the many flaws of that trashy hit, “Mr. Queen,” is that it could never convinced me that the king fell in love with the queen, instead of the male chef BongHwan who usurped the queen’s body. In my opinion, the King was attracted to the male imposter and was tantalized by his modern and very unconventional outlook.
I brought up “Mr. Queen” because the director of that kdrama and this “The Haunted Palace” is one and the same. I hope this drama won’t devolve into a tiresome husband guessing games.
YeoRi has two obvious contenders for “true love.”
One, the supernatural imoogi KC who has stalked her for 13 years, beginning when she was merely 13 years old, and who has occupied YoonGap’s body after YoonGap’s murder.
But I’m not clear about his motive for possessing the dead body. KC just jumped in, laid his hand over YoonGap’s eyes and possessed his body. By his own admission, it was the first time he possessed a human. So, what made him do it?
Did he feel injustice and help YoonGap get back at his murderer and the henchmen? Or did he feel altruistic and want to “un-dead” YoonGap because YoonGap was dear to YeoRi? Or did he feel a tinge of jealousy and want to take over YoonGap’s body? Or did he really feel opportunistic and scheme to temporarily “borrow” YoonGap’s body to coerce YeoRi given that as a spirit, he couldn’t do anything while she wore the magic stone?
I don’t get KC’s sudden meddling, but I do get YeoRi’s reaction. When she saw the weak and bloodied body of YoonGap, she knew that she was only seeing a wandering soul. She instantly suspected KC of killing YoonGap to get at her, and she raged at him.
…And we all know that, in kdramas, love and hate are two sides of the same coin.
Two, the original YoonGap who showed affection for YeoRi when they were children.
YeoRi idealized him ever since he offered to get her a persimmon from the tree, then broke his leg after KC “made” him from the tree. He was her first love (or her first infatuation) and when he returned to the village and offered to take her back to Hanyang with him, she realized how lonely she had been all those years.
It’s her vision of the two of them sharing a meal with a little girl that sealed her fate for her. She assumed that her vision meant that YoonGap was her future family. (To me, however, it’s entirely possible that she misinterpreted her vision. She could be seeing a future in which KC still resides in YoonGap’s body.)
However, as certain as she was about her feelings for YoonGap, YoonGap’s true feelings for her remain unclear – at least, in my opinion.
To the maid who brought him YeoRi’s workbox, he claimed that YeoRi was “like a sister” to him because they had lived in the same neighborhood. Perhaps he said this to protect YeoRi’s reputation.
In the woods, when he was all alone, he uttered his sincere apologies for lying to YeoRi and endangering her for “the great cause” of the King he served. He further said, “Do not forgive me, YeoRi.” It seems to me that his mission was more important thatn YeoRi’s welfare.
That said, when his killers came, he opted to have a speedy death to protect YeoRi. He realized that if YeoRi returned soon, she would also be in danger from his attackers. Thus, he taunted them to hasten his death and save YeoRi. While this selfless act is indeed heroic, I’m not sure whether his heroism proves his romantic love for her or just his guilt + responsibility + and platonic love, all combined. I’ll just have to wait and see how things develop in the next few episodes.
In most cases, I don’t mind love triangles where there’s a clear, convincing outcome. But if this turns out messy and obscure like in “Mr. Queen,” I’m out.
C. The Riddle
Did you see it?
I hope you were confused as I was when the grandmother said, “They do not say for nothing that where Kang Cheol goes, even autumn feels like spring.”
Huh?
Didn’t we just see in the previous scene, KC walking on a road between verdant fields and turning the whole green countryside black? There’s a dissonance, a conflict between the grandmother’s statement and the visual picture of the vast desolation KC wrought about him. How could spring and rebirth be associated with him when he ushered death? How could autumn feel like spring in his wake?
At first, I thought this was a mistranslation, but again, it cropped up in Episode 2. The title of Episode 2 is “Where Kang Cheol Goes, even autumn feels like spring.”
To me, then, the story is signalling that I take a second look at the transformative element of death and dying. Life doesn’t end with death. It can be reborn, renewed, recreated.
Take YeoRi for example. She thought that her life ended at thirteen when her grandmother passed away. But, ironically enough, with KC at her side and incessantly pestering her to be his disciple, she transformed herself into a master lenscrafter.
Same thing with YoonGap.
On the surface, it appears as if he’s dead and the king’s “great cause” died with him. But I think KC’s possession of his body just gives YoonGap an opportunity to devise a better plan to outwit the King’s enemies and rid the palace of the monster within. Maybe YoonGap’s soul will eventually return to his body and live again, but in the meantime, KC is an unwitting assistant in accomplishing the King’s “great cause.”
In this sense, it can be said that even autumn feels like spring when KC is around. Contrary to expectations, he isn’t the harbinger of death. Instead, he brings a new world order — and a new hope — in the wreckage.
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So those are my three pet peeves. The kdrama is fun to watch and I’ll continue to watch it next week. Hope to see some of you.
I made a mistake. I thought the ML was KC before he possessed YG’s body but it really is YG who’s the ML. 😃
I like the funny bits now especially after the possession. He’s even saving YR now so that should be noticed by her.
So is the crown prince, another imoogi? And because there’s no more ghostbane(?) stone, the only thing that’s stopping KC from taking YR as his slave(?) is because his in YG’s body. Oh my gosh. Makes sense? 😂
Where did the soul of YG go? He was still following them before they fell on the cliff.
I haven’t watched this ML but he’s ok. 😃
YG is the male lead but that’s the problem right there. It’s ACTUALLY KC’s spirit in YG’s body who’s the lead as of now.
For now, YG is just an empty vessel; it’s the imoogi KC who’s doing all the saving/rescuing/protecting of Yeori.
I don’t know where YG is. I hope he’s investigating who this imoogi is and how it possessed his body, and thinking of a way to regain his body.
I don’t think the Prince is an imoogi too. Probably something stronger than KC and more nefarious. KC wanted to avoid it, right? That implied he knew it was a formidable foe. He wouldn’t have been intimidated if he knew he could beat it easily (like he did with the henchmen).
The ghosts weren’t too scary for you?
Hi. No, the ghosts aren’t too scary. As soon as the music changes to a scary tune, then I prepare myself. 😃
Yeah, I’m seeing KC rather than YG. 😂 But you’re right because he looks way matured than YR so it has to be YG. I’ll get used to it. 😃
I do remember the ML in Goblin. This is my first time watching him. ☺️
True that the one possessing the crown prince is more evil than an imoogi. Hopefully this drama will be good till the end. 🤞🏻
Re. the ghosts, I think they’re mostly vengeful spirits because some injustice had been done to them by a powerful individual and they had no way to avenge their death but to haunt the living.
Like the one-legged guy. The minister was the one who cut off his leg so he went after the minister’s daughter.
The lady in the well. She was probably a palace servant killed off by a royal person. The people in the palace just turned a blind eye because she was an inconsequential person.
It seems to me that YeoRi is sympathetic to ghosts because she views the haunting as a form of restorative justice for the powerless victims. But her blind spot is KC….
One of the things I like about this drama: The internal monologue. We don’t have to guess what the character is thinking because he/she is saying it aloud. 😂
As for the Queen Mother, I think that she isn’t the current King’s biological mother so she doesn’t care about the King’s sickly son/heir. However, the “Grand Prince Yeong In” is probably her own son (or someone related to her by blood) so she wants him to become next in line to the throne.
This INFP is with packmule — KC in YG’s body is the devilmaycare true lover. Abt the long bout with the moldy pile of straw, when Yeo Ri was 13 (dont shamanic powers awaken at puberty or am i wrong) she refused to become a shaman because she blamed KC for the loss of her family and first love. For the last 13 yrs KC has been relentlessly hounding her by throwing various bits of animistic spiritual phenomena in her path. She has to ask for his help, so he keeps trying to trick her into this ‘guardian spirit’ relationship (he seems confused abt that — who will control whom?). In sum, KC has actually been training and honing those very powers she forswore. Like some Taoist master swordsman training a recalcitrant genius student by constantly attacking him off-guard. So, the onelegged spirit bit shows how she has shamanic powers and how KC has been at her side all this time. I was impressed that she uses compassion as the blade to sever the beggar ghost (animated by KC) from his grudges. Cant wait to see how she conquers that vile stinky power inhabiting the prince.
Yes to the internal monologue. 😄
I wonder how long before YR realises that as much as KC keeps bugging her, he’s really helping her a lot.
She’s so used to him for the 13 years that’s why she can’t think straight. She just hates him and I totally understand. 😂
I thought there was a scene where YR said that there’s an evil spirit around the Queen? Unless it was the Queen Dowager? I thought it’s the Queen.
What scene was that @agdr03? What episode?
It was on episode 2 when YG and YR are in the palace already.
It was daylight when she saw the Queen.
I just can’t recall the time stamp. 😬
29:49. The time stamp. It’s the Queen definitely.
YR said there’s a stench around her.
Ok. Will check. Be back shortly.
Rewatched it, @agdr03.
Yes, you’re right. It’s the Queen.
YR wondered why such a regal Lady could stink so much (😂 the Lady couldn’t possibly have B.O. because she had access to water and daily baths). She then surmised that the Lady was somehow involved with the death of the ghost in the well. The well is located in the Queen’s palace grounds, anyway.
Yes so the Queen is a bit shady now too. It will make sense because her son is a higher evil creature.
From the opening credits (or title sequence), the King seems shady too. There’s a big shadow looming behind him. 🙂
But since YR didn’t smell anything when she met him, I’m giving him a pass.
That’s his son looming behind him. 😂
It seems he doesn’t believe in shamans right? That’s probably why YG couldn’t tell him why he brought YR to the palace. But he couldn’t tell YR the reason too.
Yes. He doesn’t believe in shamans
To give a rough background….There was a time in Joseon history when the monarchy (and government) decided to replace Shamanism and Buddhism with Neo-Confucianism. Shamanism and Buddhism were considered too superstitious, mystical, and irrational, and the government wanted a rule based on logic, reasoning, and order.
(If you notice, many Buddhist temples are in remote or mountainous places in our kdramas. Aside from the fact that they were closer to nature, the monks retreated and found refuge there when their temples in the cities were destroyed.)
That’s why when Christianity arrived, the government was very suspicious of the new converts. They thought the religion was another wave — another version — of shamanism and Buddhism, and persecuted the Christians.
But the thing was, the Christians in the Western world were so much advanced in science, mathematics, medicine, and technology than their Confucian-based world. By then, the state had become restrictive — ossified is the word I’m looking for — with its strict rules on governance and social/familial relationships that many young generation and intellectuals wanted out. They wanted reform and Christianity was viewed as a counter-culture.
The king in this story is anti-shamanism, anti-Buddhism. He considers himself a man of science. Remember how he bragged about his knowledge on optics?
But he’s struggling because the royal court, e.g., the Queen Mother, and apparently YoonGap, are still very much into the supernatural world.
I think this kdrama presents an interesting take because the main leads/good guys are believers of shamanism and the bad guys/shady guys are the “progressives.”
@Pm3: I stopped to read your article when it flashed my mind: “hey it could be interesting” and “I’m curious to read more but…”. But I don’t want spoiler so I’ll watch ep 1 & 2, so I can read you after! Can’t do it today or tomorow, too much work. But will do it soon. YAHHH!!!
veering a tiny off-topic — There are nine big monasteries on a korean heritage tour, the website korean heritage has a cute drawn map and list of them. I adore the name – the 9mountain-meditation-gates.
7th to 12C establishment of those 9 different sects – annoying to centralizing rulers since monks, the original internationalists, caring not a whit for nations and kingdoms, but only about differentiating their schools and maintaining lines of transmission, were always trotting off to china to corresponding schools.
Hi. I stopped reading the article after I saw it was interesting: So I’ve watched the episodes first, then I could continue reading.
This drama has a good hooking power and at the end of episode 1, writer established a “motor”, the main mechanic about the dragon trapped in a human body of someone close to the heroine. So it will lead to comedy, and buddy-movie kind of relationship, when you have to pair up with the guy you dislike the most.
However, I find the drama “light” and probably won’t be my favorite for sure. I expect a kind of ending ala “Goblin” when love is here but the dragon has to go to heaven. It’s still unsure because for now, it seems the heroine could find a way to call back the spirit of the dead one in its body. Or at least, it’s what she hopes.
I’ll try to help and clarify what is editing or is not. I think most of people of the weekly rewatch team know it now, because we are lucky to get the screenplay of “I hear your voice” drama. Everything about flashbacks are from the script, not editing. Maybe director and editing could do a fighting scene longer, but not that much. As an exemple, check this excerpt from “W two worlds” screenplay (re-translated in a better way thanks to GrokAI). In episode 3.
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#19. SUNG-MOO’S STUDIO (NIGHT)
Yeon-Joo, phone in hand, enters, Soo-Bong trailing, reeling.
SOO-BONG: How’s that..! How’s it possible…!! How!!
YEON-JOO: Quiet down.
VOICE: (E) The customer’s phone is off—
YEON-JOO: ….. (hanging up)
SOO-BONG: (thoughts racing) But how do you get there?! Just pop in?! Why only you?!
YEON-JOO: No idea. I just snap to, and I’m in the comic.
SOO-BONG: (staggered) Ha…
YEON-JOO: But I figured some stuff out.
That world revolves around Kang Chul,
{COMIC INSERT}
Panels from Yeon-Joo bursting through the emergency door, scenes flashing by.
YEON-JOO: (E) Unless I’m tied to Kang Chul, I don’t show up in the comic.
My solo time, my thoughts, none of that’s there, it’s just cut,
YEON-JOO: He’s the hero, I’m a side character.
SOO-BONG: (jaw dropped, listening)
YEON-JOO: Time flows around him too.
{FLASHBACK INSERT}
The bus stop watch spinning, surroundings shifting.
YEON-JOO: (E) Time skips when he’s not active.
Two months passed in a blink.
YEON-JOO: Five minutes here can be two months there, could be two years, twenty.
SOO-BONG: How’s that even possible?!!
YEON-JOO: Think. This comic’s been running seven years.
{FLASHBACK INSERT}
Young Kang Chul shooting, on trial, driving a supercar, scenes passing.
YEON-JOO: (E) Seven years, his life’s gone fifteen. Time’s gotta compress, only big events make it.
SOO-BONG: (…!)
YEON-JOO: Coming back depends on him too, something big has to hit him for an ending, only then does a chapter close, only then can I escape. So I had to, (hesitating) do it.
SOO-BONG: What? The kiss?
YEON-JOO: (cringing at the word)
SOO-BONG: So you really kissed? With Kang Chul?
YEON-JOO: Had no choice, needed a shock, an ending.
……….. scene continuing …………..
I chose this excerpt because it’s the most nitpicking one: Flashbacks aren’t even a whole scene but inserts. For each insert, you get a line with (E) from Yeon-Joo. Meaning it’s a voice-over she says while we see the flashback insert.
So, we can see how precise it is in the script. Anything about flashbacks and even small flashback cuts aren’t from editing but from the writer. It’s because anything related to a flashback or a cut, even small ones have a narrative purpose, so it’s the work of the writer.
To evaluate better what is editor or writer, I’ll relate a scene from the drama “Law School”. In the huge hall of the school, a discussion take place. Then, the director/editor do an amazing job, showing this from many angles. Close-up, general view, camera from above, etc. Basically, it’s just a dialog in the script, but to make that more alive, there is a lot of work about how it’s rendered.
In the script: just dialog lines.
Director: put cameras everywhere and catch it.
Editor: choose the material from director, cut it (close/large and what duration).
I’d need to rewatch to evaluate if the writer did the best as possible about flashback scenes, but while watching I found it coherent. If I was the writer, I would have a whole list of “important scenes from the past” that I want to relate in the story. Then I would wondering “how I do that?”.
The good old way is just “childhood episode”. Maybe a few moments can be reused as flashback later, but you just take the time to tell it all in a linear way. So, imagine that: encounter of heroine at 13 with dragon (beautiful scene at a pond), scene of heroine coming to the grandma shaman ceremony, scene of male lead falling from the three, etc etc…..
I would have nothing against that, just maybe it could give some spoilers and remove surprise for few points.
Or in a more modern way: focus on present to put us into action, then choose each moment when a flashback can be put on screen. Then, it’s not linear. Can be flashback from first time she meets the dragon after the dragon meets grandma, etc. What was made in the drama. Reason why I saw nothing wrong about that is because there was always a narrative link from present leading to the flashback scene. Then, I don’t need it to be linear.
Maybe, we can feel it a bit boring sometimes, or too obvious trick, somehow repetitive. As if we can see the threads and writer playing lego.
About the scene in the wood. Woo! You pointed it. I could feel a problem here. Suddenly they are lost in the wood. A line from heroine says it. Indeed, it could be shown a bit before, with various short cuts.
Fight with the woman was quite long, and doesn’t make the story progressing. Maybe director/editing but for sure the script too, because they go in several places, different key moments and action. What I found strange is the woman screams a lot, but no one in the village notice. There are many situation like that: all the places are always empty, and the heroine do her shaman stuff in the open.
Fight of the minister: well, estabish the man as brutal. I never understand why the training always use real weapons. Is it training or a real fight? What if a guy can’t dodge and is cut in half? It’s a general criticism I make about all the “training sessions” we get in all dramas and animes.