Part 1 is here: Start-Up: Ep 15 Minimum Viable Product, Part 1
To recap what I said at the end of Part 1:
MVP = Minimum Viable Product, a product with enough features to attract early adopters and validate a product idea
MVP = Most Valuable Player
We already had three examples:
1. Tarzan. It’s the prototype of a self-driving car with the safety features that drivers wanted.
Feedback was great; it was good enough that Dalmi could submit a bid for a DQ contract.
2. The Tarot Card app, “Believe it or not.” It’s an app being tested to see if it was a practical and usable.
Feedback was a no. The guys didn’t believe it; the gals liked it but Dalmi didn’t believe in it.
3. The OLD Dosan. From the beginning, he had enough features to attract Dalmi.
Feedback was excellent. Although JP hated his guts, the intended “user” Dalmi loved him. Other users (e.g., the guys, his parents, Granny) liked him, too.
The OLD Dosan had only one feature – his hands – but it was enough for Dalmi.
I said he was the earliest, lovable product available on the market, anyway. His competitor had a “failure to launch.”
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Continuing Part 2, then.
1. The letters
As Dosan was placing all the letters in a box to return to JP, he saw the music box letter that started it all for him. Dalmi had written that she received a beautiful music box from her father for her 9th birthday.
lol. Look at the stationery. “I’m writing a letter to the one I love.”
As he was reading the letter, JP called him up to arrange a meeting place for the swap. They had agreed to exchange the money tree for the letters, but now after reading the music box letter, Dosan was backing out. He told JP, “I don’t need the tree. I’m keeping the letter.”
This scene reminds me of a custody battle. If I were the judge here, and the letters and the money tree were children that the divorcing parents, Dosan and JP, were fighting over, I’d award the letters and plant to Dosan, and JP would get nothing.
You see, JP committed a few things that sabotaged his chances of full custody. lol.
One. JP talked negatively about the letters.
If letters were his children, he bashed them and blamed their embarrassing conduct on his ex-wife. Fangirls may have a short memory, but I don’t.
From Ep 3, 1:02:02.
Dosan: The fact that you wrote the letters, not me…can you keep that a secret?
JP: I want to because I’m embarrassed I wrote about them.
If the letters were so precious to him, then why was he embarrassed to have produced them?
Two. JP didn’t want to own the letters.
Put it this way: if letters were children, he denied paternity. lol.
He had the chance to come clean with Dalmi that he was the letter-writer, but he didn’t. Instead, he always blamed Granny for making him write those letters.
And here.
Then, in Ep 10, Dalmi asked him, “Who wrote the letters 15 years ago? Was it Dosan or you?”
All he had to do was to make an affirmative claim. Like this: “I wrote the letters.” But instead, he began with an explanation. “Your grandma asked me for a favor. She wanted to give you a friend. So I wrote the letters.”
Do you get the difference? By beginning with an explanation, he was distancing himself from the act itself. He was stating an excuse that he had “no choice” but to write the letters because her Grandma asked for a favor.
He should have answered this way, “I wrote the letters. It began as a favor. Your grandma wanted to give you a friend. But I continued to write you because I needed a friend, too.”
There! Had he said it that way, had he not weaseled out, I would have liked him this much more.
I always said that he didn’t need to involve Granny in it. Granny was just a “middleman.”
But if he had claimed those letters as his, then Dosan didn’t need to enter in the picture. But JP washed his hands of those letters. He didn’t want to have anything to do with those letters, so he was willing to pay Dosan 2 million won to clean up the mess for him.
Edited to add this: 12/11/2020
In Episode 1, at 36:45, the young JP was shown retrieving one of Dalmi’s letters from the mailbox. He didn’t smile; he sighed. He didn’t look elated to receive letter from her. Instead, he looked like he was resigned to write a letter in response to Dalmi.
Three. He ignored the letters.
If letters were children, he wasn’t committed to them. After writing to Dalmi for months, he formed a bond with his old pen pal that if she were to ask him for a favor, he would come running to help her.
He knew that Dalmi was going to the networking party alone. But he didn’t go there for HER sake but for Grandma’s sake.
Question: Why do you think he was looking at the shoes Grandma gave him?
Answer: He was remembering his FAVOR to Grandma.
The director was very clear about this. Go back to Episode 2 and watch that montage that the director filmed and edited. As Dalmi was reading her music box letter, the three characters were shown doing their own thing.
First, Dosan was reading her letter.
Next, Dalmi was getting dressed up. She went to her desk and looked at music box and
Then, JP was taking out Granny’s shoe and recalling the time she followed him to the bus depot with the shoes.
And Dosan was reading Dalmi’s text, “I’m meeting my sister today. Can you come?”
Do you notice the significance of these shots? They were holding their “reason” for going to the party.
Dosan: Dalmi’s letter
Dalmi: her father’s memory
JP: Grandma’s request
and finally,
Dosan: Dalmi’s request. He was the one who answered her desperate plea.
And look again at the contrast: the director shot this angle to show us JP’s closet full of clothes.
Meanwhile, Dosan had to borrow a suit because he had none.
BTW, that’s the whole meaning of Dosan’s suit, okay? Before, he didn’t even own a suit. Now, he had plenty of his suit.
He had to get his hair trimmed because it looked untidy. He had to take a bus to get there because he had no car. He took the trouble to show up because Dalmi asked him even though he didn’t really know Dalmi.
Meanwhile, JP showed up only because he had a last-minute attack of conscience. He had to make a U-turn because he really wasn’t planning on going.
The meaning of a U-turn: he didn’t intend to go but he REGRETTED his decision at the last moment. Mr. Regrets.
One last note on the letters:
JP fans made much of JP’s letter which Dalmi used as a handwriting sample.
If you must know it, here’s the translation. I asked @Ella to look for it in the internet. Thanks, @Ella.
Dalmi-yah,
I’ve lived the same daily routine everyday until now. Waking up in the morning, going to school, listening to a lesson, and when its time, I go back home, living my life routinely like this like a wheel. But because you’re here in these days of mine, my everydays are changing. I think of you, wait for you, think about your day, I feel like my days recently are filled with you.
Even though its simple, these routines give me joy. I’m happy when I wait for you because I feel excited, and I’m happy when I receive your letters because I feel satisfied, and when I send letters to you I imagine you receiving those letters with a smile and it makes me happy. I want to thank you for allowing me to have these love-filled days. I don’t know if we can stay happy like this forever, but if you stay with me, and always be with me like this, I think it might be possible.
From Dosan.
credit: seonhohappy’s twitter
Romantic words, huh?
But I must ask what is this letter good for.
For one, Dalmi glanced at it, but the words didn’t evoke any nostalgia. To me, that says a lot about her attachment to the contents for the letter. Zero.
For another, the director didn’t attach any meaning to the letter. Despite the romantic contents, it was used only as a writing specimen.
For me, this letter is as significant as the 461 questions that JP answered for Dalmi. His answers, too, weren’t shown because the contents themselves were immaterial to the plot. They were “props” to segue into the main point(s) of the scene.
Here’s the scene about the 461 answers from Episode 7.
JP: Hold on, Ms. Seo. Did you check my email?
Dalmi: My email? No not yet.
JP: Those questions you sent me. I emailed you my answers, so check when you get a moment.
Dalmi: What? I texted you over 400 questions. You answered all of them?
JP: Right, 461 questions in total. I answered them all.
We all saw how he looked pointedly at Dosan.
Lol. That look of his actually revealed more than it should. Here’s my takeaway.
First, the 461 answers were his bragging rights. He was proud of his effort. He spent a lot of time answering them. (Give him a round of applause here!) But he also wanted to crow and receive appreciation for spending a lot of time.
Now do you see what I’m getting at? 🙂
Dosan didn’t brag about the hours he spent making NoonGil, did he? NoonGil was pivotal to the story than the 461 answers.
Second, they showed his character flaw. He used them to provoke Dosan, like he did with the scrunchie. Throughout the story, you have to watch those scenes when he used Dalmi to score points against Dosan. Whenever he did this, it turned him into a petty man and it cheapened his thoughtful gesture towards Dalmi.
To continue —
Dalmi: (gasping) Seriously. You’re amazing. Thank you so much. I really mean it. Then, to thank you I will…
JP: (spotting a lint on her head) You have something on…
This was the perfect time for him to step forward and remove it himself. But he got distracted because Dalmi mentioned her goal to become an outstanding CEO. Then, JP being JP, he couldn’t pass up the chance at being a “Negative Ned.”
Dalmi: I’ll do whatever it takes to become an outstanding CEO.
JP: You can’t achieve that on determination alone.
Dalmi: Right, I can’t. But without determination, I won’t go anywhere.
JP kept looking at the thread. But he clenched his fist and pulled it back. Mr. Regrettsssss.
JP: All right. Let’s go Dosan.
Dosan: Alright.
JP: The car’s here.
Dosan: Give me a second.
Note: I like how Dosan “faked out” JP here. This was like a basketball move. He appeared to walk towards JP, then he suddenly swerved and headed for Dalmi. He stopped right in front of her, blocking out JP.
Before JP could react, Dosan was already out of his sight.
Dosan: Hey, I forgot to answer your question about the shares. You’re our CEO who holds 71 percent of the shares. I am part of your shares and I got your back. And we’ll always be a team no matter what happens.
It’s not just a number game. Who needed to read 461 answers when she had 71 percent of the shares?
He spotted the thread on Dalmi’s hair, and without skipping a beat, halting in mid-speech, or hesitating,
he reached out and removed it from her hair.
JP saw Dosan’s smooth move and knew that he should have done it himself. He’s Mr. Regrets.
Dosan: (holding Dalmi by the shoulders) So trust me and don’t worry, okay?
Dalmi: Okay.
Dosan rubbed her hair affectionately.
Dalmi: Go home
Dosan: All right. It’s chilly. Go back inside.
And he held her shoulders against and she held his arms.
So…what were the main points of this scene?
JP might have answered 461 questions, but Dosan was the swoon-worthy one here. He showed JP that he didn’t take orders from him. More importantly, he showed JP (and the viewers if they weren’t blinded by JP’s dimples) that he was a man of action. He didn’t quibble about removing the fiber from her hair. And he asserted his dominance when he exchanged goodbyes with Dalmi with much affection — and skinship.
The 461 Qs&As were irrelevant to the romance.
And that’s how that romantic letter from JP should also be viewed. The contents were irrelevant to the romance because the endgame wasn’t meant to be JP…from the beginning of the story.
2. Envy
I already explained it here. To be fair again
I said that this writer (and director too) used “pathetic fallacy.” I said that whenever JP experienced a turbulent emotion, the storm occurred. I said that the storm was a sign that he was possessed with envy or jealousy. I said that the rainstorms weren’t a sign of the gods favoring JP.
I said a lot of things, didn’t I? 🙂 But I also provided ALL three instances of stormy weather to prove what I said.
One, it rained hard when JP envied Dosan for being hugged surrounded by his parents.
Two, it thundered when JP envied the attention that Dosan received from Alex. The guys wondered they settled for JP when there was a much better mentor from 2STO available. But he had to control his fury because Dalmi was smiling at him for being a “good” hyung to Dosan.
Three, it rained too when JP became jealous because Grandma didn’t want him interfering in the romance of Dosan and Dalmi.
But didn’t you notice that it didn’t rain in Episode 15? It was because JP was FINALLY recognizing and resolving his envy.
JP admitted that he envied Dosan for having a family while Dosan confessed that he envied JP for one and only thing reason: his past connection with Dalmi.
At the end of the drama, they both got what they desired the most.
JP got Grandma, the family that he always wanted.
The Yeongsil device foretold all this but JP fangirls misconstrued it. Yeongsil said, “Today, the god of fate will send a gentle breeze into your peaceful life. You may run into someone you met briefly in the past at an unexpected place.”
Look: the gentle breeze is Dalmi. She was the gentle breeze that made JP’s reunion with Grandma possible. Grandma was the most meaningful person in his life, not Dalmi.
And Dosan got his Dalmi.
Dosan: Mr. Han. I’m really curious about something.
JP: What?
Dosan: About that letter. Granma told me that you saw my name in the newspaper. You used my name because I looked smart, and kind.
JP: No. No. I’ll tell you the real reason. I did it out of envy. I saw your parents congratulating you on winning the medal and taking photos with you on TV. And I really envied your life. That’s why I used your name.
Dosan: I envied you a lot.
JP: Me? Why? Why would you envy me? Because of my river-view apartment? My car? Or my watch?
We knew this already. During their sleepover at Dalmi’s house, Dosan was clear that he wouldn’t trade Dalmi for any of his possessions.
Dosan: No. A long time ago, I asked Dalmi why she liked me. And this was her answer. (You’re my first love.) That’s you. So I asked her again, and she said, (Your letters comforted me for a long time). That was also you. So I asked her again, and she finally said something that was actually about me. (You have nice, big hands.) She likes me because I have big hands.
He displayed his big hand to JP.
Dosan: That’s it. So I tried very hard to outdo all the memories that you two share with this one thing alone, but it certainly wasn’t enough.
JP: If you know that, will you give up already?
Dosan: That, I can’t do.
JP: What, then? You’ll love her forever knowing it won’t be reciprocated?
Dosan: Yes. I’ll love her forever.
Ella mentioned that Dosan actually said the number of years.
천년만년” or a thousand years ten thousand years..
JP actually brought it up first when he asked Dosan if he was willing to be in a one-sided love for 10 million years. His intent was to make Dosan realize how futile and painful a one-sided love would be.
But Dosan replied, “Deh. Chun yeon mahn yeon.”
Which literally means, “Yes. A thousand years, thousand years.”
Which mathematically means, “For ten million years.”
chun = 1,000
mahn = 10,000
chun mahn = a thousand mahn or 1,000 x 10,000 = ten million
yeon = years
Which in plain English means, “Forever.”
Like Ella, I thought this was a romantic thing to say because this guy didn’t believe in wishing on rainbows and praying to God.
It was also romantic because this was a guy who declared “I might’ve failed, but I have no regrets. Never did and never will.” He was resigned that he failed to make her love him, but he never regretted anything and would never will.
Most importantly, this was romantic because this guy did exactly what Cyrano de Bergerac did in that French play.
I liked JP because I thought he was Cyrano. But I got over that silly notion after seeing how he treated the Samsan Tech guys, the start-up companies with a social mission, Grandma, Dalmi, and his real Precioouuuusssss. JP didn’t possess that quality of selfless love that Cyrano displayed for Roxanne. Cyrano never revealed that he was the letter-writer. He didn’t want to disillusion Roxanne after she already lost Christian. So he chose instead to become Roxanne’s faithful companion, staying by her side till the very end.
Dosan chose the same end as well. He was the real Cyrano here. His love letters were writ large in the software codes he wrote for her. lol.
credit: Cyrano poster from openagenda.com
3. Grandma’s example
While Dosan was talking about Dalmi, Dalmi was thinking of him, too. She wanted to “sail without a map” but her rational self and her “once bitten, twice shy” self wouldn’t allow her to embark on this foolhardy business venture.
Fortunately, she found Grandma awake at this ungodly hour. Grandma was busily preparing batter for the corndog for the corndog shop her daughter-in-law had set up for her.
To me, there’s a parallelism to be found in this scene.
The daughter-in-law was like Dosan. The daughter-in-law knew what was bothering her mother-in-law (MIL). She knew her MIL was missing her corndog stand which she was forced to close because of her poor eyesight. So she bought a shop to pressure her MIL into supervising her in this business venture.
Dosan was like the daughter-in-law. He too knew what was bothering Dalmi. He knew that the OLD Dalmi would have wanted to go after this smart city planning contract but that she was holding herself back out of fear of losing her team again.
So he pitched the idea himself to force her to reconsider her “risk attitude.” If there was anybody who could “lure” her to get back into the sea again after being capsized by a giant wave, it would be Dosan.
After all, Dosan survived the shipwreck (and other disappointments in life) and became stronger from his struggles.
In addition to the Dosan/daughter-in-law connection, there was also Grandma/Dalmi connection. Ostensibly, Grandma disliked her daughter-in-law’s corndog shop. She complained about the work it would bring. And she thought it was a losing proposition. Deep down inside, however, she was looking forward to it.
Dalmi was like her Grandma. If she truly didn’t want to bid on the smart car contract, then she would have accepted the Tarot card app warning and dismissed the issue. After all, Dosan said he was willing to accept her decision either way.
But the REAL reason she was having insomnia was because she was looking for a “divine” intervention to VALIDATE her REAL choice. And she found her answer in Grandma. If her Grandma could courageously — and happily — undertake a new business at her age and with her disability, then she could, too.
Dalmi: I think the shop will do well.
Grandma: How? I can’t even see. It won’t work. Still, we should try. What can I do, you know?
Her comment made Dalmi think. To me, Dalmi could say exactly the same thing about her own dilemma. She could say, “How can our company do well? How can we compete? It’s not possible. Not when we’re too small going up against big, established firms. This won’t work. Still, we should try. What can I do, you know? Dosan and I can do this together.”
Dalmi: Grandma. Thank you.
Grandma: (stirring her batter mix) What? For what?
Dalmi: (standing up) I found my answer.
Note: I don’t think she FOUND her answer so much as she CONFIRMED her answer. She was looking for proof or outward sign that would support her own decision.
Grandma: What?
Dalmi: Thanks, Grandma.
In a way, Grandma was also an MVP or Minimum Viable Product in this scene. Here’s the definition again:
MVP = Minimum Viable Product, a product with enough features to attract early adopters and validate a product idea
a. Grandma had enough “features” (yes, she was blind, but she was good at stirring batter, AND great at giving advice),
b. She attracted early adopters (literally, she attracted the attention of the early riser, Dalmi) and
c. She validated a product idea (she validated Dalmi’s idea to compete for the big project).
Do you see that?
5. JP’s Confession
JP: Listen up. I won’t say this twice. Stop feeling inferior to me. Work on your self-esteem and look at Dalmi again. Then you’ll know who she really likes. With those hands alone, you beat our memories.
lol. When I pointed out the importance of the hands in my First Impressions, I didn’t expect the metaphor to continue till then end of this kdrama. Usually, metaphors are only good for a handful of episodes.
Just saying. Start-Up: Ep 15 A Smile or a Smirk?
6. The Confession
Dosan: What are you doing here?
Dalmi: Just thinking about my first day here. You wrote one, too, didn’t you?
Dosan: Mmm. Yes, I did.
Dalmi: What is the probability of me finding the one that you wrote?
Dosan: Not sure. I think there are about 5,000 of these so maybe around 0.0002 percent?
Dalmi: Would the probability of us winning the bid be around that as well? Let’s do this. If I manage to find yours in one minute, we will bid on that project.
Dosan: But this has nothing to do with that.
I don’t think JP fangirls appreciate the joke because of their collective meltdown.
There was no way Dalmi would find his tag. She had only a minute to find it in a wall with 5000 other tags. She’s searching for that proverbial needle in a haystack. Was she counting on her luck? Remember what she said to Saha at the Hackathon? She had no college degree, and she underqualified, but “luck made her a CEO.”
Dalmi: (ignoring him) Starting now. Which side? Just tell me that. This side, right?
Flashback! As she was looking for his tag, he was remembering his last conversation with JP.
Dalmi: You’re tall, so maybe it’s up there.
She obviously wasn’t going to find his tag. Dosan looked sad and then he plucked his own tag and handed it to her.
You know, we can 1,001 interpretations of Dosan’s facial expression. I’m NOT forcing you to believe mine. But since this is my blog, you’re getting my interpretation whether you like it or not. lol.
Here’s MY interpretation. Dosan could see through her act. She was trying to make light of the situation; she was trying to make a game of it. Why? Because she really wanted to make a bid but she didn’t want to appear reckless.
🙂 Do you get what I’m saying?
a. To any rational person, to make a bid was an irrational, illogical, reckless.
b. She wanted to make a bid BUT she didn’t want to appear irrational, illogical, reckless.
c. So she came up with this silly game, hoping to cover up her real desire as just “fun and games.”
d. She was bluffing. She counting on luck (I mentioned this, right?) to get her through. Remember what her mom said, ““Bluffing without a real plan makes you a fraud. Sorting things out afterward makes you the same as your father.”
e. Dosan, as usual, could see through her act.
f. The OLD Dalmi wouldn’t have hesitated to grin at him and tell him that they’d go “sailing without a map.”
g. He was sad for her because she didn’t think he could see that she was bluffing.
h. He decided to step in and put her out of her misery. He was ending the game.
i. Just like when he decided to answer her text and show up at the networking party, he was stepping in. He was deciding for them both.
j. This way, if the bidding failed and the company floundered, it was because HE made the call. He called the shot. Not Dalmi.
k. He would be the reckless one for both of them.
There! That’s my interpretation. Take it or leave it. lol.
Dosan: This is mine. (she turned to face him) We found it, so let’s do it.
Dalmi: (getting it from him) But I was supposed to find it.
She read the tag. He’d written, “I want to turn a misunderstanding into reality.”
Dalmi: Does this mean…
Yes. He joined the Sand Box so he could become the dream guy/cool guy/Dalmi’s penpal that he pretended to be.
Dosan: Dalmi. Why do you like me? I’m not your first love, and I didn’t write those letters. I lied to you, and hurt you. I can’t think of a single reason why you’d like me. Just my hands. That’s it. Why do you like me?
He was saying that he was NOT an MVP, a “Minimum Viable Product, a product with enough features to attract early adopters and validate a product idea.” Except for his hands, he had NO features to attract her.
Dalmi: (looking elsewhere but at him) I…I… I don’t know. Why do you keep asking me this question?
Dosan: (repeating himself) Why do you like me?
Dalmi: Do I need a reason? I just like you. I don’t need a reason to like you. Because it’s you. You’re the reason. That’s all there is to it.
She meant that he didn’t have to be an MVP, a Minimum Viable Product. He didn’t need to have any features to attract her or to make him a lovable person in her eyes. She just loved him, plain and simple.
Note: Honestly speaking, when I first heard this, I thought that this sounded lame. But then, it struck me that she wasn’t talking about business, but a relationship. She did NOT need to have a “demo,” pitch or an elevator speech to deliver to Dosan. In fact, if she came out with a polished speech or a ready answer, then she would have sounded pat and rehearsed.
So this was the right approach by the writer to take. Dalmi couldn’t have a “spiel” because she was answering him sincerely. She wasn’t bluffing.
Dosan smiled and kissed her.
Dosan: Thank you.
After their kiss, Dalmi looked for her tag and gave it to Dosan.
Dosan: Is this yours?
Dalmi: Yes.
Her tag said, “I want to take the upper-floor elevator.”
Dalmi: I quit my job to start a business with you. I have to say that was very gutsy of me.
Dosan: Dalmi, 2STO didn’t force me to work on the self-driving systems. I volunteered.
Gasp! That’s news to me.
Dalmi: Why?
Dosan: Just in case you still remembered that day. Like I do. I thought if you started working on a self-driving system, I wanted to do it with you. That’s why. I wanted to be your trophy, your pride, and your dream. I wanted to be your comfort, and your wings. As the real me. That’s why I started working on it. What about you?
Dalmi: Me, too. Let’s bid on the project. I considered all the variables before making this decision.
Dosan: Okay, let’s do it.
So what’s my take here?
1. The actor playing Dosan had the weirdest lipgloss during the kissing scene. It was a bit too pink for him and shiny. But I guess, he had to prepare for the kissing scene with Suzy. It wouldn’t do to kiss her with dry, chapped lips. Ewww.
2. Dosan was MVP. Not “Minimum Viable Product” but “Most Valuable Player.”
3. Dalmi and Dosan were finally together — as they were meant to be from the start.
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Next up:
Ep 16, part 1
As always, reading your post gives me comfort. I am honestly still traumatized with what I read (and still reading) online about StartUp and the main leads Dalmi-Dosan/Suzy-NJH.
All these points you raised are the exact opposite or things that the fangirls or haters disliked in the drama (cue the famous line “are we watching the same drama”). LOL!
I totally agree… Dosan IS THE Most Valuable Player.
Not sure if you saw any of the memes circulating (cringe worthy)
– Piggy back ride in Ep14 but Dosan’s face was replaced with JP and Dalmi with the Start-up Logo (with the lines that he carried the whole show and is now having back-ache)
– Picture of the whole cast (which they covered with his face because he is the only saving grace of the show)
I know the chances of me convincing these people to re-watch the show without biases is 0.00002% but I always refer friends who are yet to see the drama to your site. I told them to read after watching it so they won’t be confused by what they read online.
Thanks for the time and effort you out here in explaining these things to us! =)
Same as @Diane, reading your posts gives me lots of comfort. While there are a lot of Startup bashers (people declaring they won’t finish watching the show but still commenting online.. -__- ), and JP lovers, I don’t find enough people who would defend Dodal couple against these delusional people. It is like there is selective memory and some blindness in seeing how much Dosan fought for his love. Dosan’s love pitch has been the same throughout. He always saw Dalmi before him, even when JP tried to block them but it seemed more like a foul block in basketball matches. JP only saw Dosan before him and always can’t get past him, lol.
So*mpi forums seem to be more balanced and a handful who said it is very clear JP and Dalmi was not an item.
I loved what you wrote about the letters, it was not valuable enough to JP and he was embarrassed with them. Though I thought it is valuable enough he kept it all this time. Maybe it was his connection to grandma more than to Dalmi that he kept it.
I was big on letter-writing, @ Grace. Computers weren’t invented yet when I started dating so I must have written hundreds of letters to my boyfriendS (note the plural form). Looking back, I should have used a diary instead of a boyfriend for expressing my thoughts.
Do I remember what I wrote in them? No. But I know what I sent in them. Souvenirs from my trips. Bus tickets. Ballet tickets. Opera tickets. Stamps. Clippings from newspapers articles. Cartoons. Postcards. Bookmarks. Receipts from fancy restaurants (to show that I didn’t go on a date, lol). Sketches.
I wasn’t the type to say mushy things like “I miss you” or “I love you” or “I wish you were here.” But it goes without saying that if I was writing a letter a day — when I should have been studying or working — then the sentiment was there.
There was no Snapchat during my time either.
I kept the letters my husband and I exchanged when we were dating.
My other boyfriends’ letters? Some I kept. 😈 For blackmail. But they’ll be disposed off carefully, along with other papers, when I die.
LOL.. I also noticed that shiny lipgloss, I seriously want to reach out and rub it off DoSan’s lip 🤣
Fun fact that thousands of years (천넌만넌) word was also used in Ep3 when DoSan and jp having a talk after DalMi and DoSan’s riverside date
jp: “So you will keep lying for thousands of years to come?”
DoSan: “No, not for thousands of years. The maximum life span–”
At that time his nerdy matter-of-fact answer come out and this time it’s an affirmative answer and as @packmule3 said for someone who only believe in science and data it’s darn romantic.
I guess this writer does like “bookends.”
Meaning, what she said in the beginning, she would repeat in the end but with a twist.
It comes full ⭕️ circle.
That’s why we who have been following the story diligently are at peace with the story’s ending. We can sense that we’ve come full circle to a homecoming.
But those JP fans who invented their own love story with JP and created their delusions, are finding the second half a “mess.”
😂😂
The mess was in their understanding.
I checked out Dosan’s scene with JP. His lips were NOT shiny. Lol. I thought it was probably out of courtesy for his costar Suzy that the actor prepped for their kiss scene. 😂
I also noticed that JP’s lips were often pink so I know HE touched up. 💄💋👄
But I hadn’t noticed Dosan’s lip till that scene.
Do you see what I mean by an affirmative answer? Dosan didn’t evade or go around to give an answer. He just answered the question.
OMG your lipstick emoji is killing me. 🤣
Yep DoSan is heart on a sleeve kind of guy, he go after what he wants.
Another thing I forgot I want to mention in my previous post was regarding DalMi’s answer to DoSan’s why do you like me?
I think “You are the reason.” is the perfect answer because what DoSan struggle with the most is trying to live up to the imaginary DoSan. Knowing she loves him because he is DoSan the real Dosan must give him some kind of liberation from the shackles of the past ie. the letters.
@pm3, I love letters too. In the days before mobile phones, we passed scraps of papers under our tables. And it was the months letters from my first bf that I still kept…somewhere in my mum’s house, he sprayed perfume on the paper and I always remembered the scent. I vaguely remember what is written anyway but there is something about written letters that is like a permanent mark that seals those words forever…unless you burn them.
And the bookends, yes, the coming full circle that I wanted to write about my favourite moments in another post you put up, but I found I have to plow through so many scenes because there were so many of them! I think found so much satisfaction identifying them because of that completeness.
Anyway it seems like KimSeonHo’s fans were caught criticising / badmouthing NJK and Suzy in one of his fancafes and it has made it to the news.
What fancafe? You mean the coffee shop “A Twosome Place?” featured in the drama?
lol.
Kim SeonHo’s fangirls are giving the actor a bad reputation. They’re going to drag him down to their level of idiocy.
Anyway… we’ll start a Best Boyfriend Nomination for Dosan in this blog. I’ve to look for a president for our Appreciation Club. Let me post the search on the blog. lol.
@pm3 thank you so much for the elaboration!!!
I saw a comment from #teamjipyeong that highlighted how Dosan didn’t want to be his dad’s pride and joy, yet he wants to be Dalmi’s trophy and dream… then they proceed to highlight how Dosan’s not developed as a characted. They think it’s a major flaw of the story but i personally think that what Dosan means by that is by being accepted fully as himself, not as the guy Jipyeong tries to make him to be during the lie, or the person his dad expected him to become (ambitious etc).
My take on that line is he wanted Dalmi to appreciate and love him as he is. I am wondering about your thoughts on that scene though? 🙂
Another day, another drama from the JP fangirls? 🙂
I think if they don’t get it, then they don’t get it. We’re not here to put out the fire that THEY start.
@packmule
Yeah I thought so too about bookends.
It is really special to experience this show because of your analysis and other’s comments.
Wow best boyfriend nomination for Dosan-aah!! I’m looking forward to it. I am so attracted by this character since early episodes, I was so annoyed when everybody’s attacking this character, therefore I feel like I need to be Dosan’s advocate. I even make the special post about his character in my blog, to explain why he is special. However, I think, packmule, you’re right. If they don’t get it, then they don’t get it. No matter how long the reasons I give to them..
oh I’m sorry if I have to say this again, or maybe you’re tired to hear this.. ( i hope not) But I am so glad that I found this website, so that I know I am not crazy with my thoughts and my conscience.
“I kept the letters my husband and I exchanged”
@packmule3 high five! So did I. I have threatened to read them out loud during our anniversaries much to the consternation of hubby. I would pass comments like, “O my weren’t you eloquent back in the day”. 😂. I still remember waiting for the postman and sifting through the mail to see if any were addressed to me.
I think DS needed to hear from DM that she loved him for who he is. To solidify in his mind that it wasn’t the letters or “first love” (in her mind). Because let’s be frank, “big hands” sounds so lame (tenuous) compared with the glow of romantic letters and first love? And it didn’t help that Mr Regrets kept seeding doubt in his (DS) already diffident self. So it came full circle for DS. Clarity at last.
In many places I lived in, I didn’t see the mailman. Mail was sorted out and placed in those cubbies. Then when I came home, I’d dropped by the mail room or the concierge would hand them to me.
Do you remember that ornate mailbox in the hotel in “Goblin”? I had those mailboxes too in my apartments. There’s actually a mail chute on each floor so tenants didn’t have to go down and drop letters in the mailbox in the lobby. But since I worried that my letter would get stuck in the mail chute, I would go down to the ground floor and drop the letters in the mailbox.
One time I accidentally locked myself out of the apartment (forgot to bring the key) to drop off the letter in the mailbox. I had to wake up the manager at past midnight and I was wearing a robe over my nightgown, with curlers in my hair. lol. It was just a quick run down to the lobby and back up to my apartment so I didn’t bother change clothes. I never felt so risqué in my life.
That taught me to just drop the letter on my way to work.
Anyway, those were the days. I can’t believe how kids have it easy now with this internet and cellphones.
@packmule3
Speaking of another full circle. Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before:
When DoSan came back to Korea for the first time from his stint in 2STO, he came to SandBox in the exact same fashion just like the first time he came to meet DalMi at the networking party.
Remember what DalMi said when she was drunk,
DalMi: “Show up like that day again.”
And DoSan ran with all his might to borrow the suit but DalMi left already.
This time he came back with his own suit and it ties to his post it, “to change misunderstanding into reality.”
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That ten million years broke my heart for Dosan when he thought Dalmi didn’t Love him back huhuhu but he was still going to love her anyway.
When JP asked Dosan before at Episode 3 if Dosan will lie for ten thousand years (i think), he would usually respond with science or facts that that was not possible considering the life span of humans, but here, he said he will love ten million years!!! Above and beyond the average life span or slash forever. That’s why I agree that this was a romantic thing to say coming from Dosan.