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The beach. It’s a perfect day for cartwheels.
I went for my run early to avoid that mommy with the stroller. She made me feel geriatric. lol.
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i just saw the snippets of episode 13 without sub..why Captain using Chanseong body?is this mirroring Yuna the intern?😱😱i’m panicking right now cause Manwol recognise how different the hug is..
also..Manwol’s a bit flustered after knowing Yeonwoo and Mirae is dating..
Ahhh… So Chanseong allowed Captain to take over his body? After Manwol warned him not to give his body so readily for other ghosts to use. Nice. Smart move by the writers (and I’m not being sarcastic here. For a change.)
I was expecting Chansung to do something stupid like take over the Hotel del Luna, but letting Captain take over his body is a “better” move. MG4 is right then. He sure brought THAT guy with him, not physically, but his essence/nature/spirit.
BTW, I’m on my iphone. If you see typos or odd words, it’s my autocorrect.
also pink Mago knitting(?)/crocheting(?) something blue this time..pink for love, red for cross fate/star-crossed..but blue for?is it reconciliation?
i just saw preview for the next episode..Seol Jiwon gonna attack Chanseong while Captain in him..is this some kind of test?i always give previews benefit of doubt..but…will anyone die?😱😱
Mago 5 shows up. Unni to Manwol, on very friendly terms. Tells CS to be very good to his first customer!
So many Magos 😅
They never explained why the princess captured MWs gang. Was it because they stole from her or was it because she was jealous to see chung myung loveing another girl. When did she saw such a thing?!
Well, the Captain made a promise, and kept it… and it seems no one bothered to give CS a basic safety briefing, like don’t go through the tunnel to the afterlife. The Captains spirit manifests, takes over CS’s body as he is about to collapse, and walks it back to MW…
The rehabilitation of the Captain proceeds apace,
And given the rehabilitation, the scene at the bed chamber ended the only way it could.
Urgh…so they (HS) did go down that path…utilizing the good will of CS as leverage to rehabilitate CM by him possessing his (CS) body. 🙄. So if it is true that the real CS has left to the afterlife and the fake CS (CM) is now here in this life to spend with MW, the best case scenario (for me) would be she leaves HDL in the capable hands of fake CS/CM and have him do his penance whilst she moves on to the afterlife to join the real CS (like the dog and owner). CS (the real one) deserves as much…surely…after all that he’s done for her? A bit of a role reversal I guess. She’s behaved like the owner of CS, whilst he has behaved like the devoted dog. Now that the “dog” has departed, the owner may well choose to follow too.
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There was a bed scene with the Captain? Ewww. I don’t think I can watch this episode. 😂🤦♀️
Manwol says “The moment I arrived at the Inn of the Moon the thing I met was myself…”
This I think answers the question of who was the sword wielding shadow behind MW in episode 1…that she spun around and impaled with her sword, only to have the moon tree take the thrust and absorb the sword…it was herself, her own shade, become the moon tree.
@PM3 Are you referring to @FlyingTool’s bed chamber reference? I think he was talking about the flashback as to what went down in the original bridal chamber (show down) scene… how CM was “killed” or rather “fell on his own (hers) sword”. From what I read in the other forum, it sounds like she tried to kill him but couldn’t, and he did it for her…ran into her sword and killed himself (looks like he hugged her in the process at the end)…mirroring the hug of fake CS (CM) when he reappears out of the tunnel. So I guess she “knew” from that hug that it wasn’t CS that emerged from the tunnel but CM masquerading as CS. Didn’t watch, pure inference from the comments of people watching live. As my daughter would say **FEELS** 😂.
Captain to MW: “Man-wol, I will hold you in my heart and be a moon that doesn’t rest to watch over you”
I think that explains why she had that *LOOK* at the moon in episode one (and subsequent scenes), during the introduction of Moon’s Hotel. I always wondered why; now I know.
The open questions are being answered one by one …
Oh I see. I thought there was a bed scene already.🤦♀️ I was getting ready to use a barf bag. 🤮
Since we’re already getting so many MaGos, is there a punchable one? Sort of a whipping boy in European monarchy? I want to whack a MaGo for causing Manwol emotional distress for 1000 years over that stupid Captain.
Ahhh. So he made a promise to be his moon AND his firefly. What else did he promise to her? 😂
See this is where my skeptical bitch comes out. If a guy says that kind of hogwash to me, I won’t just roll my eyes; I’ll be showing him the door. He’s laying it on too thick. It’s the cynic in me that struggles to suspend my disbelief.
Gosh. I need to eat more lobster rolls.
So, watching the bed chamber scene or rather the Captain’s death scene, I wondered if it really resolved if the Captain was a hero or a villain… decided it was possible to construct two scenarios.
Good Captain: being the hero type he did the last good thing he could for MW in that life – he killed himself to save MW from having to kill the man she loved/had loved…since it was pretty clear she was having a hard time delivering the killing blow.
Bad Captain: being the villain he is, he did the only thing he could do to frustrate the hell out of MW in that life – kill himself to deny MW her cathartic act of vengeance and cause her to go into a berserk rage condemning her soul…and left her glaring at the moon, her namesake, for 1300 years
“…watch over you.” Is a translation of “지켜” which between lovers is used in the “protect” sense. It can also be used in a negative “l’m LOOKING at you” sense.
I think I know which way it’s going to go, but I’m prepared to be surprised.
i want to ask earlier about the doctor (parents that giving lifeline to the dying son) blinking his eyes suspiciously when diagnose Chanseong?is there any relation with his chest pain?
i’m sure many will rave about Captain appearance because many thinking him and Manwol make a better couple and chemistry is more daebak..🙄ok ok..i’ll give him some credit for Captain whom saved Manwol’s beloved from danger both times ( Yeonwoo being captured and Chanseong from deathly tunnel)..but isn’t Yeonwoo dead by Captain’s doing after that?so meaning Chanseong will die too?(fidgeting anxiously)
is this mean Chanseong is dying?or already dead?
noooo…i’m not done with my ManChan couple..their sweet time is too short 🥺🥺..i need moaarrrrrr..
You know, I’m lying in bed with wet tea bags on my eyes but every time my phone pings, I check it to read what you’ve got to say. So don’t leave me hanging, bro! Just go ahead and tell me which way YOU think it’s going to go. Nobody will kill you if you’re wrong. I can watch the later and find out the details of the story anyway, but I can’t get opinions elsewhere.
What do you mean, “Watch over you”? I understand the protective, caring sense. But by negative sense, do you mean like DeNiro in “Meet the Parents” when he said, “I’m watching you,” because he distrusts his son-in-law-to-be?
https://media3.giphy.com/media/ImVD6wlMEeC8E/giphy.gif
And why do you say she’s been staring at the moon for 1300 years? Is it 1000 or 1300 years? Where did the extra 300 years come from?
Please don’t tell me the Hong sisters will drag this ambiguity till the end. lol. The network tvN is (in)famous for playing these stupid guessing games with the Reply series, and their Monday/Tuesday romcoms.
You’re right.
She hates the full moon. Episode 1, she was in a foul mood when Manager No came in to announce that there was a bright full moon that night. She said, “When I see the full moon, I get a bad mood.” Then Chansung’s dad arrived.
If the guy said that he’d hold her in his heart and be the moon watching over her, it could mean — as you said —
a. he loves her. Heart full of love.
b. he, too, has a heart full of grudge. And the moon watching over her is like a suspicious man watching her every move to see if she’d slip up and make a mistake.
Long-time lurker posting!! Really enjoyed your posts so far and they make good reads for morning commutes. I enjoyed the subplot about Madam Choi and how her resentment was not resolved by revenge. Didn’t really enjoy the scene where the Captain hugs Manwol and kills himself… It felt selfish and just caused Manwol more pain. Anyways, keen to see what your thoughts are!!
@packmule3. Oops.
I think the drama will go with Captain as good guy. Mostly because of Mago 1’s smiling face as she talked about the firefly with the grim reaper. The look I think was not what I would expect if they were discussing a grudge filled evil spirit. Add to that the Captain had opportunities to kill or maim MW during their fight, but stayed on the defensive. And emotional impact wise…Captain loved her enough to endure 1300 years as a firefly to watch over her, suffer with her, etc.etc.etc…could be bigger than any crisis created by the villain in CS’s body.
But, I wish they would keep the Captain as villain. I wonder if they will leave the Schrödinger’s box unopened to the bitter end? If they want the most publicity and gnashing of teeth and continued flame wars on the net, they won’t open the box. I would be strongly tempted to leave it closed.
1300 years is what the drama is currently using… according to the people who acre about such things, 1000 wasn’t far enough back to match up with the back story (not in drama) claiming MW’s gang were rebels, not thieves… 668 AD is when a Silla-Tang (Chinese) alliance destroyed Goguryeo.
And @barbrey’s discussion of the Golden Bough and a trip to the underworld to recover a dead soul… given what CS did – walk almost to the end of the tunnel to the afterlife – MW’s recovery of CS’s soul may well call for a walk to the end of that tunnel, onto the bridge. According to MW it takes 49 days of mortal time to cross the bridge to the afterlife. During this walk, memories fade one by one until nothing is left of the life just lived.
See…that’s why I think Captain is still selfish to the end. Why did he fall on HER sword? Why leave her with the guilt of having “killed” him? If he was going to do it, do it himself? Drink poison or something? If it was purely accidental that he landed on her sword and she inadvertently killed him…well that’s another story. But if he was somehow so devastated that she would even THINK to kill him (and doubt his undying “love” for her) and therefore acquiesced and resigned himself by falling on HER sword, it’s still purely looking at it from HIS perspective? 🙄. Sorry…not feeling it…not romantic. 😒. Team CS all the way. The real one… no fakers.
Random Thoughts
I like the humour and the theme. And Seo Hee’s most sad and unfair past makes it understandable why she has her grudge.
It’s interesting that Seo Hee did curse her husband’s family and their lineage, (but it did not work fully) but she was saved from becoming a dissipated vengeful ghost through a deal with GR and MW. So there’s a loophole that could save a vengeful spirit or two?
The Funny
Each odd numbered episode at least has some wackiness in the first half that gets me LOL. I know it means there’s going to be intense stuff later on. I’m glad the hideous ‘tiger’ suit came into good use, and Bartender Kim is the most obtuse ghost ever.
Theme
One theme is “Will doing nothing, and letting the worst happen to one’s enemy give satisfaction?” and related to that actually is…”Is doing nothing not also doing something?” In fact doing nothing is waiting for something to happen … nothing = waiting ie = something.
To the first question, we are given an unequivocal “No” – in the case of Seo Hee’s chance to see her grudge through.
“No” also in the case of MW doing nothing which allows Jin Woo to attack Mi Ra. Not only would it not give her satisfaction but it risked even the ones MW would want to protect (Yeon Woo/Det Park, CS, Sanchez, Intern)
To the second question, it is “Yes” because doing nothing killed Seo Hee’s baby.
A sin of omission/Doing nothing should actually make MW as equally culpable as doing something … so the Ma Gos’ and the Hong Sisters’ thoughts on morality are on display for us to judge or not.
= = =
Doing Nothing / Being Helped
MW could not actually kill Capt CM outright, but he could help her by killing himself (which I kind of expected since she told CS that CM died that day… not that she killed him that day)
MW could not also execute ‘punishment’ against Mi Ra herself, and wanted to let Jin Woo do the deed for her, but changed her mind just in time. She should also have considered that Sanchez and CS being friends of Mi Ra would have been affected by anything that happened to MR.
MW could not enter the tunnel to save CS, but CM who seems to flit between the world and the afterlife, brought CS back to MA. In the past he brought back Yeon Woo on his horse, and this time he uses CS as the vehicle in which to transport them both back to the world.
CM is shown as someone who saved and brought back MW’s persons to her.
= = =
The mother and child bond and the image the child wanted and unwanted
The images of Seo Hee and her baby are painful. Her baby left to die, Seo Hee carrying her dead baby, Seo Hee cursing the family who desecrated the baby’s grave.
She remembers her own pain when she sees the love of the mother for her baby in danger of dying in the womb, and cannot just do nothing.
The image of the living child who came looking for his mother at the Hotel and the frantic search for him before he crossed the Sanzu. It begs the question on whether the dream calls are always wisely used.
= = =
The Bitter-Sweet
There is continued dismay over a beautiful tree in bloom: an image that should inspire pleasure.
Show continues to pair joy with sorrow (another set). We have the irony of Hyun Joong being in love with Intern – his first and last love, but Intern is yet to be aware of the end. Another omission.
There’s the irony of MW in love which makes her smile and be happy, but it is ultimately a sad thing for herself and everyone at the hotel, since her flowers mean the beginning of their end. But it’s great that this end no longer stops her from being more fully alive and giving.
Life means there’s death, and having means there will be loss. Shouldn’t we be doing something actively to live well, rather than doing nothing (other than wait) to just exist for a millennium.
see, this last episode really has me rooting for captain now. i believed in their chemistry in the beginning but then i read everyone’s words about him being evil in order to get ahead.. but now I am back to thinking everything he did was to keep her alive. yes, it would have been nice if he was able to keep her closest friend alive to me as well but his final sentences about her sword led me to believe he was jealous of their closeness and maybe felt like he could keep her alive but had to kill off his competition. therre was also an aside when Yeon woo was hanging that made it seem like it was good to have everyone think he had turned his back on her and betrayed her if it meant that she was being kept alive.. it was the trade off and hence why he gripped his sword so hard he was bleeding.
i def also feel like all the twists and turns from the beginning starting from when she was captured are all valid points still but here’s the thing, just like you were able to analyze and change all the things we initially thought were cute and romantic to cunning and twisted so did MW in her mind and 1300 years of brooding. but as Ma Go said there are some misunderstandings that need to be cleared up and it’s hard to untangle a tangled heart.
anyways, my two cents.. this is where it gets really interesting
Lurker finally commenting after so long 😂 Hope you remember me from the TKIL forum but if not, it’s fine.
I love to read this forum’s reviews, insights, and comments on HDL because it really discusses on the characters and the story. And I get the gist that y’all don’t like the Captain on this side.
Well, 😂😭😁 I’m really rooting for the Captain here y’know, that he loved MW and he’s good. And the drama is probably leaning towards that and I’m so excited and thrilled that it would probably go to that hahaha 😁.
But yeah, thanks to this forum, I was able to keep myself grounded and not let myself totally get carried away with my **FEELS** and gonna appreciate whatever the outcome the story will be. Also I appreciated the story more because of the discourse here 😃.
I would be sad if the Captain is gonna be a villain here. Well, if you gonna ask me to defend or explain my side as to why I root for a good Captain, I can’t really answer you because I already succumbed to the dreaded **FEELS** huhuhu. Both the Captain and scenes of him and MW, I find them very charming and so aaahhh feels… So yeah hahahah, I’ve been eaten by my **FEELS** 😅😂
Well, I would like to see myself as open-minded, but really I’ll take whatever HDL will offer me and not gonna be bitter on it if it won’t go to my liking.
Well, so yeah. Just wanna let you know the presence of the captain lover I guess 🤣.
Anyway, more power to all the bitches over dramas here. 😘 Keep on bitching 😁
The Captain didn’t Fall on his sword. When it became clear MW was hesitating/getting herself ready, He deliberately grabbed Manwol’s sword blade, and pulled it into his body. The move brought Manwol within his reach, and he finishes his move by grabbing MW and pulling her into a tight embrace, and the sword pushed all the way through his body.
Even as he was dying, the Captain makes no effort to tell MW why he did what he did. Perhaps it’s just me, but I found the Captain’s behavior ambiguous.
Mago 3, in her soliloquy, wonders “since the flowers bloomed, I wonder if she will listen carefully to his side of the story” … implying that the Captain has a story to tell…
Excuse me if this would sound more like a rant. It mostly is.
If I were MW, I’d be confused as well. Like what the fuck do you really want? What do you fight for? Where do you stand? On my side? Then why let all my people die like that? And what’s worse, you even let me live as if that’s something heroic! Now that I’m the only one who survived, do you expect me to be thankful for saving my life? Do you want me to continue living as if living is the most beautiful thing? What is beautiful with having to live in guilt? Had I not fallen for you, me and my people wouldn’t have welcomed and trusted you like you’re one with us. Is this your definition of love, that I stay alive even if that means living alone in misery? If you loved me the right way, then you’d know my heart. You’d know how I cherish YW and my gang. You’d know I would live blaming myself and could hardly live in peace after their deaths.
I respect differences in opinion but I still don’t find the MW-CM’s past as endearing as that of MW-CS’s present relationship. I don’t know if it’s because of my age? I’m at this point of my life where I would prefer a kind of love that feels like fire but doesn’t burn and destroy. Instead, just the kind of fire we find in the fireplace: warm enough. The Captain may be full of charm but CS, for me, is full of warmth. The Captain may have mastered how to play with words. CS, on the other hand, has nothing but sincerity. His intentions were pure. Even if he’s tempted to be selfish because of her growing desire to be with MW, at the end of the day, he would still choose whatever it is that’s more beneficial for MW.
My issue on the captain is not about him being bad or not. I don’t even see him as a villain. At one point, I may still find his choices as a sign of love, yes, if that’s how he understood the meaning of love. But it’s not the kind of love I wish to give or take in my lifetime. Aside from it being on the selfish side, I also do smell a hint of narcissism. “I’ll be a firefly. I can stay as a little light to be with you for more than a thousand year. “I’ll be the moon that never falls that will always watch over you.” “I’ll be someone you’d wish to suddenly appear when you’re alone drinking.”
Googled some signs of a narcissistic personality:
*Grandiose sense of self-importance.
*Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur.
More than the butterflies in the stomach, love for me, must feel like a refuge. It provides shelter and security. And I think that’s the kind of feeling MW gets whenever she’s embraced by CS. In the midst of her fears and anxieties, she can manage to relax even for a while. But it’s the complete opposite when she’s hugged by CM. CM’s role in her life was like a storm or a hurricane that wrecked, blew things up,and wiped off her people. But CS? Well, he’s like that eye in the storm– the calm region at the center of it all.
Huh – should have seen Cap in CS’s body coming… the parallel hug scene was nice cinematography though. That being said, I’m still not convinced I like Cap.
I loved Choi SeoHee’s story and how she chooses to let the pregnant woman be saved instead – will this also be how MW chooses to act?
I’m in the camp that the captain will be a “good guy” for lack of better wording, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a douche. Also, is it confirmed anywhere that CS is now wandering the bridge? The preview makes it seem like MW is getting Jiwon to attack CS possessed by CM (I am not fond of the serial killer subplot which has dragged too long for me, even if I understand why it’s needed for the story), but not much insight into the nature of CS being possessed per se. Wandering the bridge though would fit in with what you guys discussed before with the mythological inspirations about going into the Underworld – with, presumably, CS coming back to the land of the living.
That said, he was kinda stupid running into the tunnel like that. He trusts MW enough now, he couldn’t ask her for tips?
Anyways, as I thought, the story is revealing the ghost employees’ backgrounds to connect with the episodes’ events. Seo-hee’s story was sad – she always seemed a little off compared to Bellhop and Bartender Kim, as if she could snap anytime, so now we understand that better. Like with MW and Ghost 13, we can understand her grudge, but it was good she did not let that get in the way of doing the right thing – though the other woman’s situation mirroring Seo-hee was a bit too convenient for the plot, but I was fine with that. There’s an irony here that they’re probably hoping a girl is born.
Since Bellhop and Intern are similar to MW and CS in that one partner in the relationship is supposed to pass on, my guess is if they connect Bellhop and Intern to MW and CS, they might save that for after the next episode since the next episode is more focused on serial killer ghost shenanigans and CM. On the other hand, Intern is possessing someone else’s body permanently, and there have been very ambiguous hints that Bellhop’s identity might not be what it seems, so this might connect with CM possessing and taking the body of CS.
Next, I can’t quite think of how bartender/scholar Kim’s issue might be resolved since it’s the vaguest. Yes, not being able to see the fruition of getting a high score on the imperial exams is a pretty sad thing for any member of the old Asian scholar-gentry (sidenote: my username here isn’t a coincidence, I’m a direct descendant of folks like scholar Kim). But not much about his deeper motivations or anything about his past like with Seo-hee and Bellhop, so it’ll be interesting to see how his story ends. Perhaps given how useless being a scholar-gentry is nowadays, maybe something about letting go of he past? I thought it was sweet that he did care about Seo-hee, whether platonically or romantically.
Lastly, I wonder if there are even more Magos running around. I do wonder what that cryptic reference to first guest was. Obviously we have the blind woman as CS first guest – but I suppose a simple guess would be that if MW is someone CS has to send off, ie a guest, then she is the first guest he met.
Oh, and I don’t recall MW initiating a hug before this, or at least anything that intensely. While she’s initiated both kisses, it appears to me that CS has initiated all of their hugs throughout the series.
@Storm Moon, my comment to you got lost. I was saying I agree that the kindest thing I may say about CM is that he’s mistaken about what love is. I liked your description of what CS brings in his care for MW. His love is truer because it is others-centred and looks towards their good.
@packmule3 already expounded (but I could not find that post) on the horror of being kept alive after being made to feel that one is responsible for the deaths of one’s loved ones. @pkm3 put it as MW struggling not only with the guilt of killing so many but not being able to forgive herself, a punishment of a soul divided against itself.
No wonder it was a torture to exist and no wonder MW went all out living high on the hog in her usual defiance.
CM by keeping her alive was ensuring the most exquisite torture. Can’t wish CM’s brand of ‘love’ on anyone!
@Flying Tool
Yup, now we know for sure. She turned around and slashed her own soul. Gave herself a death blow, actually. Explains why sword got eaten up by the tree and why it was so apt that she kept that ‘logo’ of full moon with sword blade turned branch through it.
Heh! Once the tree disappears, (which I imagine it’s supposed to when MW leaves), will that sword be regurgitated? A souvenir for the next Hotel owner.
@GB, I haven’t seen that comment yet. But I’m glad you got exactly what I meant. I was honestly disturbed with CM-kind-of-love. For most parts, it feels more like a curse than a blessing.
Yes, I remember the days of TKIL. Glad you found me here again. 🙂 You should have delurked sooner. I know many of my old friends are here, too since I’m not posting often in the other site. And oh course, the “frenemies” are here, too. Those peeps who love me when I’m in their camp, and hate me when I’m not. 😂
The “analysis” goes better when we see both sides and discuss both sides, especially the MINORITY view, without fear of getting pilloried. At other forums, when the majority takes over, the minority voice is shut up or disparaged and the moderators are sicced on them.
You and I know that, from experience. Unfortunately.
Over here, my preference is always for minority view. If you notice, if it weren’t for me and @nrllee, this site would be a wholly pro-captain site. We keep it real when we point out that the character is flawed. He’s duplicitous. Up until now, he’s two persons: one saying one thing and one doing another. Of course, the romantics will think he’s shady to hide his good intentions all along, and the cynics will think he’s shady just because he is. 😂
Sigh. Nobody writes good villains anymore. They’ve been “humanized.”
It wouldn’t be sporting of me if I went with the so-called “winner’s circle.” It’s a bitch move to be subversive. And to rock the boat to make people think. 😈
Heh! Re-reading what I posted to @Storm Moon and @Flying Tool made me think that we have MW with a slice through her soul, which fortunately did not result in a case of split personality. If we already have a soul divided against itself, how much worse if it was sub-divided among multiple personalities! Thank goodness there was nothing worse than sudden mood swings.
Coming back to that idea about CS bringing ‘that guy’ with him. Looking back, CS’s life must have been engineered from at least his childhood when MG first met him. It’s obvious from hindsight that he was chosen. He had to be the one whom Mi Ra took advantage of and whom she’d seek out at that time so that MW would meet her. Through Mi Ra, CS would recognise Det Park and also bring him to MW’s notice. Then only did MW really start waiting in earnest for that guy to pop up.
It’s interesting that it is to him and not to MW that the firefly reveals his ‘human’ silhouette. MW never seems to have never noticed the firefly in her tree before, and it’s strange that she ignored it all the years when it flit about her in every one of her coffins/inns/hotels. She must have truly believed what she said – a firefly is just that and the same as all other fireflies – and dismissed CM entirely. LOL.
Anyway, when CS’s trapped and about to collapse in the tunnel, it’s just the right time for firefly to take over his body. Question is whether he’ll leave his body willingly as well. We recall that Bellhop wanted to ‘use’ CS’s body to play for a while, and MW had to slap him out of it LOL.
So if CS’s life was engineered to bring together Mi Ra, MW, YW and CM, his end must also be predetermined somewhat. He has fulfilled what MG assigned for him to do. That usually means adios amigo in these kinds of shows, unfortunately. We’ve conjectured about or hoped for several possible endings for CS. May the alternative that most suits the logic of this show be chosen!
I don’t know about MW, but yes the housekeeper story is to be expected. Her move was foreshadowed by the Mira curse.
Remember: Manwol couldn’t continue her grudge once the curse was taken on (or absorbed) by Chansung. She suddenly IDENTIFIES with the real victim, Chansung, so she stopped.
It’s easy to curse somebody you hate or somebody who’s anonymous. Once the person becomes REAL to you, your hatred *should* stop. And Manwol stopped because a) her feelings for CS were greater than her hatred for Mira, and b) Chansung made her rethink her life. She saw CS sacrificing himself for her, IN SPITE of herself, and she understood “sacrifice” in a different way.
Same thing with the housekeeper. The “last descendant” was just a nebulous person in her mind. But once she IDENTIFIES the woman, she can’t go through with it. She sees that the person is pregnant with a baby and she RELATES to her because she had been a mom too with a dead child.
That’s why, in war propagandas, they always make out the enemy as somebody alien and different. It’s easier to kill when you don’t see the other person as a human being like you.
Anyway, the housekeeper humanized her enemy so killing became hard for her. 🙂
@GB,
I was fast-forwarding through the episode and I chanced upon a scene when MaGo 1 seemed to imply that she herself didn’t know Chansung was going to be this special. She was looking up at the tree. I wish I took a screenshot.
Anyway, see you later. Going on my morning run now. I’ll put up the open thread for Ep 14 when I get back.
“Over here, my preference is always for minority view. If you notice, if it weren’t for me and @nrllee, this site would be a wholly pro-captain site. We keep it real when we point out that the character is flawed.”
“The “analysis” goes better when we see both sides and discuss both sides, especially the MINORITY view, without fear of getting pilloried”
Aww…now I feel special 😍. Yes to everyone having a say. I love dissenting views because it means I have to make sure my arguments are rational and iron clad. And even if they aren’t and I am made to swallow humble pie because of an oversight on my part, I come out having learnt something so it’s a win for me. 😂
We really have to stop rooting for the “wrong” side, @nrllee. Together, we’re bad news bears. hahaha.
Anyway, I finished watching Love Alarm Ep 1, because of @lovebangwon, and it’s going to be another one of those kdramas: torturous and tortuous. I’ve to finish Ep 2 then I’ll write about it.
@The scholar-gentry The first guest, I think, is the firefly. The captain. That was the first soul/spirit/whatever that entered the hotel. No?
Irregardless of the things that happened in the past, before reading the comments here, I assumed the Captain did a good deed in the tunnel, bringing CS back by taking over his body. But now I’m not really sure if he brought both of them back.
Is CS’s soul going towards the afterlife?
We know from Yoo-Na’s story that when a ghost takes over your body your soul doesn’t stay inside as well.
So I guess CS is quite likely going to that bridge to the afterlife. I haven’t seen the preview to episode 14 so I can’t judge based on what’s there.
On taking sides.. CS obviously, without a doubt. The show’s been showing us his sincerity and love and kindness in abundance.
I don’t think the Captain is a bad guy though, not in the seriously unforgiving way (like the serial killer Ji-Won), although he’s surely made some bad choices. But I was sure we’ll be shown he had some circumstances that led to that mess and that he was suffering and cared for her since that scene in jail where he almost invited her to kill him, to use that desire to kill him as a reason to live.
Not that that makes everything alright.
Anyhow, I’m looking forward to episode 14. We’ll know a lot about how redeemable he is from how he acts in CS’s body.
Selfishly or not.
Who commented that the first guest that CS met was MW? I’m tending to agree. MG5 in solidarity with her other selves was being ambiguous.
CS came back from wearing that tiger suit to distract Seo Hee … he admitted to MW that he had forgotten that Seo Hee was also a guest who had to be comforted in order for her to leave. So taking guest to mean the ones who’d leave from the hotel, then it’s true that the first guest CS ever met was MW. She would be the first and the last.
Hi there, Oli! I was wondering when you’d show up and post. 🙂
The Hong sisters are making the Captain be a good guy, and they should stick with it, too. To me, it would be sadistic of them (and they would lose a large number of their following) if they suddenly switch sides and show the Captain as irredeemable at the penultimate episode. The die is cast.
Hmmm… @packmule3 I searched back and forth Episode 13, but I didn’t see this…
There was only Ma Go 5 and Pink Ma Go 3. Didn’t notice MG 1 in any scene.
The first guest, I think is the firefly/Captain. The Viki translation “your first guest” is not correct (IMO) … the Korean sentence has an implied subject, and I think what Mago 5 meant was the Hotel’s first guest.
I understand, @storm moon where you’re coming from. Go ahead and rant. This is a safe place. 😀
I think that’s the one of the beauties of this drama. Whether by choice or not, we find ourselves having a stake in the characters and the outcome of the story. We’ve become passionate because we see ourselves in the story.
True. If I were Manwol, I would view his being a firefly beside me for a thousand years, a really small small small consolation for making me go through that hell of seeing my clan dead and suffering for a thousand years.
In my books, his firefly-ness of 1000 years doesn’t come close to Manwol’s hell of 1000 years.
lol. And you know what, I’d compare him to a guy giving me STD (gonorrhea, syphilis, whatever, lol) and then saying “but that’s okay, because I’ll be at your bedside for the rest of your life. I’ll be your partner for the rest of your life.” Like, what the heck?? If he loved me, then he shouldn’t have touched me or should have stayed away from me. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
The Captain shouldn’t have broken Manwol up like that. Really, he should have let her and her clan go.
If they had met on the battlefield and fought each other there, then fine. Death was expected on a battlefield. But executing Yeonwoo in front of her, when he knew KNEW how much she loved him, was not an act of love. And making her an evil person, a killer, a berserk madwoman was definitely not an act of love. I don’t know how to justify these in the name of love.
But in the Hong sisters’ value-system/mindset/philosophy/romance, his actions constitute as love. And they’ll attribute his shortcomings to MISGUIDED intentions, as in he had good intentions but they fell short…
That’s why I want Chansung to come through for her in the end. For me, his love is the true definition of love, not the Captain’s. He protects her in the RIGHT way. He doesn’t want her SOUL endangered.
For me, it’s not about redeeming the Captain anymore. It’s redeeming the Hong sisters’ worldview.
Sorry, @GB, I wasn’t clear earlier. The scene was in another episode. An earlier one.
Not sure if it’s Episode 3 or 4?? I chanced upon it when I was writing something about those episodes. I’m kicking myself now for not taking a screenshot. lol.
That’s why I like Chansung’s definition of love in Episode 12. He said, “The leaves might pile up and become very heavy and painful. I will handle them as my share. So don’t be scared when you leave me. This, to the weak human that I am, who is now doing his best with all of his might, is love.”
To me, he’s telling her not to be guilty about leaving him sad and broken up because of her departure. She shouldn’t be “scared” that she’s done him wrong and burdened him because he’s willingly taking up the burden for her. Her soul shouldn’t be divided. She should go in peace.
And that’s true love. To take up the cross for someone else so that someone else is freed from fear, guilt, and… sin.
And that’s very Christian, right? That’s the essence of Christian love.
What the Captain did was burden her with his kind/version of “love.” He made her suffer for 1000 years and atone for 1000 years (did I read 1300 now?) for killing those people when he could have either set her free or KILLED her along with her clansmen. He didn’t have to make her feel that it was HER burden alone to carry all by herself. Even his death, his “suicide” by her sword — I’d agree with @nrllee here — he put that ON HER conscience to carry, too. He burdened her again. He made her guilty for his death.
That twerp! If I were Mago, I’d put up a giant hairy tarantula in the tree of hers to take care of that firefly. Or a frog at the bottom of the tree. hahaha.
Look, if he wanted to, he could have explained everything to her, then killed himself with his own sword. Or poisoned himself. Or called the guards and said he killed the Princess.
But NOOOOOoooo. this so-called “hero” used her sword to kill himself. No way was he guilt-tripping her. No way was he impinging on her conscience. No way was he trying to make her remember that SHE killed poor little him. A romantic hero wouldn’t do that, would he?
Really, I’ll need to eat like 2 dozens of raw oysters and drink 2 bottles of chardonnay (1 bottle = 6 glasses) to make him romantic…and ethical.
About No Feels for CM
@packmule3 I felt the same way about his so-called suicide. The most selfish way to commit it.
He came into a bridal chamber armed with a sword. He must have known that MW was there waiting. So he was waiting for her to kill him while he let her live?
I wasn’t really paying attention to what he said to her – I dislike him that much LOL – but one part sounded patronizing … he said he was proud of her. Was that to goad her into killing him … I don’t know. I have to reluctantly re-watch that bloody scene.
Then he stalks her as a bug, and that’s supposed to be romantic. I don’t know why MG says he couldn’t show her is true form, but he was able to show CS enough for CS to know that he is a spirit. He should have been able to show who he is to MW an aeon ago but chose to remain incognito as an unknown guest, letting her suffer.
The Hong Sisters want to paint him as a sympathetic character? I’m pursing my lips at them.
Thanks @packmule3 for this space! Serves like a freedom wall. 😀
I laughed real hard on the STD analogy. SATIRE! 🤣🤣🤣
I wish there’s a like button or something here. 😄
Well, I know from the start the best boy here in HDL is CS. Actually no argument there. I’ve seen the sincerity and security and everything he gave to and for MW. And MW is the happiest when she’s with CS, really.
It’s just that I was carried away by CM’s charms 😂. Lee Do-hyun and IU have nice chemistry going on too in their scenes. So yeah, can’t help but root for CM.
Committed the mistake of being carried by chemistry and feels and now I have to suffer for not being logical and rational first at looking through the story and characters haha. 😂🤣😅
@GB, plus the fact that he used MW’s sword just after he complimented her “You memorized the letters well.” I’d say he took pride in knowing that it was him who taught MW how her name is spelled. And now that it’s engraved in her sword, this narcissistic dude must have felt important. LOL. I’m trying to put my feet in MW’s shoes that night and I think she must have felt so disgusted as he was saying lines like “You’d welcome me as beautiful bride and I’d say that I missed you while stroking your face.” Yikes!!! All MW had to say was “SHUT YOUR MOUTH!” HAHAHA
Why did he have to commit suicide knowing MW wanted to kill him herself? I don’t think it’s because he didn’t want MW get her hands stained. Those hands were already stained when she killed the princess. Again, didn’t he realized that it would somehow lessen her resentment if he died in her hands like she had madly sworn? But even that sort of pleasure or consolation, he denied her of that.
But then again, that’s how he understood love. So okay. Hands up! Face palm.
Well in the interests of the Minority view, can we over here cheer and promote a happy ending? I’m sick of the doom and gloom on DB and Soompi. We’ve been given some foreshadowing of Man Wol leaving – but who’s to say she can’t come back? The sisters have shown themselves more than capable of imagining and writing a clever happy ending while leading us down the dead garden path. I myself can imagine a dozen ways it could go, consistent with the story to date, and all of them happy! So I’m making a choice and prediction – happy ending!
@LeeDale9198, your comment is hilariously honest and cute! 🤣😅
Well, the captain really had a charm. And face wise, he’s really more good looking than CS. But oops, character wise, CS is way way way beyond him. 😊
@Barbrey, can you share with us even just a few of those ways you imagined? I’m also rooting for a happy ending. I understand that some things become more meaningful when they ended sad and tragic, but I don’t want that kind of vibes for now. Haha
P.S. I’ll become a nuisance by being extra active here tonight because I have to entertain myself while I wait for the subbed episode. I’m now browsing the raw one. 😅
“We really have to stop rooting for the “wrong” side, @nrllee. Together, we’re bad news bears. hahaha.”
😂. But it’s the right side though PM3? I am still wondering if HS will have CS die. Or does his bringing CM back constitute “death” and therefore confirm our “CS being primed for sacrifice” hypothesis? It looks like MW ditched the Captain on the bridge in ep14. And she’s trying to make her way back to CS. Which HS will write the ending? 😮
@Storm Moon, will do as soon as I get a chance to watch this last episode! In the meantime perhaps you and others could have a go!?
Just done watching Episode 14. Well, I must say I have to eat some of the words I said hours ago. The Captain is not the narcissistic dude that I thought. The HS clearly turned his character into someone pitiful. But regardless of his seemingly helpless dilemma (MW’s people or my people?), I still feel he should have told Man Wol everything before his last breath. She might not have believed him right away because she’s consumed in her anger. But that’s up to her how she’s gonna process her grief after the whole truth. If only he had given her closure and backstories that she deserved, I don’t think it would take 1300 years for MW to empty herself of resentment. She might have been able to move on from everything in a shorter amount of time.That’s what I dislike most about him. @packmule3 was right, he says one thing then does another. That’s what makes him disappointing.