I heard there’s only going to be one episode this week because production was temporarily suspended late August after the resurgence of the coronavirus in South Korea. Safety and good health come first.
I’ll have time to watch Eps 9, 10, and 11 as soon as things settle down in my neck of the woods. #LawandOrder
I commented last week that Chinese dramas, like “Ms Heiress,” have episodes that flow on to the next episode without a cliffhanger. It often appears to me that the editor simply terminates the episode wherever the 45-minute mark hits, and then continues the story in the next episode.
In contrast, kdramas like “Flower of Evil,” build up the final scene so it becomes the highlight of the whole episode. To me, kdramas are EDITED to deliver maximum impact in a specific time period (50 minutes? 60minutes?). Meticulous care is given to the revelations at the end of each episode, so viewers are left pondering about them until they watch the next episode.
This is also different from the dorama we’re watching, “Love Lasts Forever.” In LLF, each episode is like a short story. There’s a problem introduced in the beginning which is resolved by the end of the episode.
Anyway….
the knetizens have also noticed the “impactful” endings of FOE. If you want to read more about them from the director’s perspective, here’s the link to the soompi article: soompi/flower of evil/impactful endings
Also in my First Impressions, I commented on the title and its meaning. I wrote:
The title reminds me of the collection of poems by the French 19th century poet, Baudelaire. He wrote “Les Fleurs du Mal” or “The Flowers of Evil.” At that time, the book was banned because it contains some writings on vampires, blood-lust, masochism, and lesbianism which were deemed pornographic. Nowadays, you’d be considered prudish or -phobic if you don’t discuss these things with a blasé attitude.
Baudelaire’s book so shocked (and polarized) society that the term “fleur du mal” meant a scandalous creation. However, *I think* (I keep telling people this: I’m not a literature major) the whole point of Baudelaire was that, even out of evil, anguish, or despair, something beautiful as a flower can grow. Thus, evil cannot be completely wicked and ignoble as people perceive it to be, if a thing of beauty can still grow from it.
source: https://bitchesoverdramas.com/2020/08/08/flower-of-evil-ep-1-first-impressions
The writer confirmed it.
About the title, Yoo Jung Hee explained, “While creating the character Do Hyun Soo [played by Lee Joon Gi], I thought of Charles Baudelaire’s book of poetry called ‘Les Fleurs du mal’ [‘The Flowers of Evil’ in English]. His poems were about the chaos and anxiety that arises when societal values, which should be clear-cut and black-and-white, become ambiguous and borderline. I thought that was similar to the character. I wanted people to think about the beauty of a desperate life when they thought of the drama.”
She further explained, “I wanted to share the message that even where evil has been buried, flowers can still bloom. ‘Flower of Evil’ represents Do Hyun Soo’s image, which cannot be defined as black or white or red. It also represents Cha Ji Won [played by Moon Chae Won]’s image, who has to learn to accept a new world after breaking down the barriers inside herself.”
The article did give me pause when the writer said that she made the couple a “serial killer and detective.”
The thread is now open for spoilers, analyses, hypotheses, theories, rants and raves. Let’s enjoy the show.
Aww the thread is up … great! And thanks again @pkml3.
I was typing some random thoughts on Ep 9 but somehow never got around to post them.
Weeks ago, I was proposing in one of my comments which I can no longer find, that Hyun Soo was one flower. I hope that despite killing the foreman, Hae Su is as well. Then there’s also Eun Ha. Taking it a step to the side, there’s Baek Hee Sung … that is, if he really is as good as he seems and as innocent as I want to believe him to be. Mum Baek and Ji Won offer the support. Quite enough flowers for a pretty arrangement de fleurs. ;-D
I like your idea, GB. Hyunsoo, HaeSu and the daughter Eunha are flowers of evil. And possibly Baek Hee Sung, too. The parents are the evil ones, and the offsprings are the flowers. Mrs. Baek and Jiwon are the good environment for the flowers to grow.
@GB, I’m with you on how I would like the drama to wrap up. I’m still more leaning towards the idea of BHS being innocent than the ultimate villain. Let’s see the development of the show.
After ep 11, I am officially a fan of LJG. That will be all.
@GB you always strike a cord with any drama that you’re viewing. The thought of JW and Mrs Beak providing the correct environment for the flowers to bloom is lovely. Nurture over nature. ♥️
Have come to this drama late and am six episodes in and have avoided spoilers. I am very taken by this drama. It has so many pulls on tne emotions. It could have been just a procedural but it’s not. And the central relationship is just sooo good. In the vomparisons of K Dramas, C Dramas and Doramas, I have come to prefer K Dramas the most. The writing just seems tighterand the use of manipulative cliff hangers that I know are meant to manipulate keeps me watching.Like this drama, I love the use of flashbacks that are presented in different ways to show different points of view. What I’ve also noticed is how well K dramas also use recaps at the beginning of each episode. These techniques are very helpful in maintaining viewer interest and in maintainig continuity.
In a few episodes of Glowers of Evil, I’ll be back hereand will welcome spoilers, but I’m not ready yet. And I know how good the contributors to this site are so it’s meant to be complimentary to all of you. Thank you.
@Arihsi, so sweet of you to say so. It’s the drama that does the first chord strike LOL. And this drama reaches me in the instances of greatest interest to me. Where a young person is traumatised or misjudged, but rises above it all and shows how much better he/she is than the hypocritical tongue-waggers and finger-pointers are.
I agree with you on Episode 11. Lee Joon Gi was wonderful. I felt it all with him and was in tears when he cried.
This episode was fraught with stress (Stress level 8 or 9/10 in several scenes) but soooo good. It brought together what I’d hoped for in the back of my mind but never dared to expect. IE the revelations of truths to the most relevant parties, and the working out of how to move forward together, early enough in the episode so that loose ends can be tied.
I am so happy that the stress of hiding the truth from loved ones, on top of all the other stress, has been eradicated, and that so much honest communication and understanding was possible, at the most difficult juncture of their lives.
Now I’m actually looking forward to the stress of getting the Do siblings out of trouble and I’m hoping for something unexpected from Mum Baek.
Oh by the way, I laughed at KMJ’s antics. I never thought much of him from the beginning and this episode shows what a wuss he is. At least he tried to help HS LOL.
I always feel delighted with all the comments here! Thank you everyone! Glad to survived and surpassed those evil scenes in the first few episodes so that I could watch up to the latest episodes with more understanding of the lead characters and not to be too judgemental.
@GB I could handle well the stress level in this episode but can’t help but cry on those moments with JW and Hyun Soo. I’m more emotional and my heart tends to understand better than how to explain my emotion. I salute Korean writers and the production staffs for coming up with such storyline and actors who could almost perfectly portray the roles.
I want to know the truth with the real Baek Hee Sung, as what has been tevealed in this episode, what happened and why he became like that? What happend to the younger years (younger than 10) of Hyun Soo? The Baek’s family seems to have a hand on that. Who’s going to be the most outstanding flower of evil?
@Arishi, me too! I liked him in Time between Dog and Wolf but that was about the last drama I saw him in before FOE. I’ve been super impressed with his acting in FOE so far.
And this Episode 11, what a ride for us viewers to experience again!? Like you said @GB, it’s stressful, heartbreaking and then heartwarming, we got the full package all in the same episode. Not to mentioned that I cried my eyes out when JiWon begged Det Choi not to disclose HyunSoo’s identity, when she told HyunSoo to escape, when they hugged each other on the road and the talk and when HyunSoo finally opened up himself totally to her and told her everything about him. I LOVED how they portray the honest communication scene – it’s such a heartwarming and necessary display, although I cried my eyes out while watching that scene.
I also liked how much KMJ cared about HyunSoo on this episode – he risked his life trying to save him.
Now we’re shown who the accomplice was but they’re throwing more questions at us, as usual. Why did HyunSoo lose his memory before he was 10? What will the gangster boss do against the real BHS? The identity of the helper in the Baek Family – who is she? Was the body they found in preview Ep12 belonged to the taxi driver’s wife or someone unknown?
If there one thing about this show, it’s consistent in displaying how HS “feels” about Ji Won. Getting drowned, electrocuted, stabbed, beaten up (several times), tied up and threatened (again several times) and now almost burned alive (what!) — sure, no problem for Hyun soo. In fact, he had his wits about him even when he was about to be lit up to a gruesome death by a human trafficking mafia. But as soon as the possibility of being abandoned by Ji Won enters the scene, his life is reduced to a long breathless anxiety attack. He was absolutely fine when he was about to be burned alive (just like last time when he was sure he’d die of drowning – he didn’t know his savior is on her way either times). Come Ji Won and how she may leave him should she know and bam ! His lungs and brain go on an indefinite shut down.
I like how this was juxtaposed with little Eun Ha. A little baby, she wants to be held and comforted. When not in her caregiver’s arms, she feels abandoned. She is only a small child so she’s yet to sort out her own emotions or develop her own sense of security. Her sense of existence and security are impersonated in her caregiver. Pretty much what Ji won represents for Hyun soo – his sense of existence.
No wonder he is ready to go for trial and even serve a prison sentence just to be close to Ji Won.
It is nice to see that the drama remembers his visceral reactions to key situations and doesn’t conveniently alter his responses. Example, he clutches his head in pain when he remembers Ji won told him that she doesn’t love him anymore.
Unrelated,
“I like that you know where I am.” I’m almost sure the GPS is going to be the ultimate savior now that the cat is out of the bag. It will be upto the police to not only prove him innocent but to keep him alive.
P.S. crying while being unable to cry while being unable to breathe while profoundly sorry while not knowing how to explain oneself while being petrified of being abandoned is one a too many things to portray together. I rewatched and reaffirmed my position as a new fan of LJG!!
With BHS revealed to be the accomplice, I am now wondering how in the world did he and DMS meet.
Also our little Eunha 😭. Will she ever know the things that are happening and about to happen to her parents, ie. HS’s imprisonment and all?
Here we go again with the waiting game. I’ve already experience this with CLOY, but still the wait is excruciating. Hope everyone is healthy!
Life=Changes
if DHS is the/a serial killer, too bad…
Who can predict the changes?
Life is ever changing but
its script is quite dead really, however, drama scripts—well depends on the writer lol I get dat
I’mg guessing a happy ending for DHS n JW though
So what if DHS-Hyun-Soo is the killer? Don’t he get a chance for redemption if his initial intent was n never had been evil?
Ahead of the curve yet again @packmule3. Honing those psychic skills I see? 😂 Brava 👏🍪🍪🍪
lol. That’s why you should NOT trust psychics. I stink.
In baseball, a batting average of 0.333 is considered superior. But in anywhere else, if you get 1 out of 3 , it’s a fail. #strict #stinkysocks
Hyun Soo’s Love
@Arihsi I love what you say about how HS’s reaction is consistent when he thinks he’ll be parted from Ji Won. His love is visceral. He’s literally in pain in both his head and heart, (the seat of the soul?) and as you say, he has trouble breathing.
Hyun Soo’s love is seen in his actions and in how his body reacts to the thought of losing JW.
I love the ending intimate in-bed scene, when they have their long, honest conversation, and Ji Won has to convince HS that he is capable of love. This is my most favourite bedroom/in-bed scene ever out of many, many shows!!!
This is a man who has his priorities right! LOL. Now convinced that he can love, with the one he loves beside him, for better or for worse (as they must have vowed on their wedding day) he can come out in the open to meet his ‘fate’ in Det Choi.
In 2008? Ji Won had said to HS…
It’s nice to know that 12 years later, she has kept her word. She has taught him how to see himself as a warm and loving person, she has been there for him and he has been surprised.
For all the 12 years with JW, he’d been on tenterhooks, watching her expression and pre-empting her needs as Baek Hee Sung, thinking that he was manipulating her. He’d been acting like he loved her, without knowing that it was true, and he’d been hiding himself.
Finally, knowing that he’s loved by JW as Do Hyun Soo, he has been freed to live at peace with himself and is able to embrace the consequences of being DMS’s son.
I loved the ending of Ep 11, where our protagonists do the exact right things in open communication and acceptance, and in deciding to face reality together as truly innocent persons should. There is so much peace in their ‘morning after’, I’m almost glad that we have a pre-emption until next Wednesday to get Ep 12, so that we can savour this peaceful moment with Hyun Soo.
Thanks for doing this, @ GB.
I couldn’t wait so I scanned the last 20 (?) minutes when he stopped the car on the bridge. I liked that she was the one who showed up and “saved” the day.
It reminded me of that bridge scene too in Psycho But It’s Okay…only in reverse because she was the one who showed up when he needed her.
LJK is killing this role. I typically can’t stand to watch vulnerability in heroes because the actors tend to overplay the emotion with excessive contortions and mannerisms. (Think of Lee Seunggi, lol) But I like how LSJ did it here.
Episode 11 Random Thoughts
The flashback of OTT coincidences. Back again to the night when Baek HS knocked down HS. This episode we get to hear both sides of the conversation.
This is the coincidence where the accomplice of Do Min Seok, while speaking about DMS’s daughter, knocks down DMS’s son. Kdrama coincidences take the cake!!
Interpretation of that conversation:
YSC had gone to size up Hae Su for Baek HS. It was possible she was on their hit list, because BHS had spoken to her and it was a risk if she remembered him.
Maybe by “handle it myself“, YSC was asking if he should kill her for Hee Sung, but Hee Sung said that he should “face it himself. ” This sadly would mean that HS is not only an unwilling accomplice of DMS, but a possible killer in his own right.
In Episode 10 (Timestamp 39:00)
We now know that he is referring to Hae Su. I’m not sure how to interpret this. If he had met Hae Su, in what way would it have made their lives turn out differently?
The only thing I can think of is: He’d not have knocked down DHS, therefore DHS wouldn’t have met the Baek family. BHS would not have ended up in a coma and DHS wouldn’t have had to replace Hee Sung.
Where Hae Su, is concerned, I can’t tell what difference meeting her, in itself, might have made. She might (or might not) have recognised Hee Sung as the person who’d given her the fish keychain, but at that time (2005) she’d not have known about any accomplice, she’d not know the significance of that keychain, and she would not have suspected him of anything. So at THAT time it’s unlikely that meeting her alone or killing her, even, would have been of much significance.
The irony is, that in the PRESENT time, Hae Su has turned up suddenly and is now definitely going to make their lives very different indeed!!
I’m not sure about Mum Baek, but father and son Baek are aware of what Baek Hee Sung has been doing. He claims that he did what DMS told him to do out of fear over what DMS would do to his parents. My conjecture is that BMW who has a burner phone and speaks familiarly with Yeom Sang Cheol, was the original person who’d introduced DMS to the human trafficker. He seems to be more age appropriate as a friend of DMS.
If I’m right, one question is, is BMW another killer who needs ‘human raw material’?
Another question: What hold did DMS have over the Baeks that he could threaten them and BHS would obediently do his bidding? BMW might have been doing something crooked, and DMS had blackmailed him maybe?
More Questions
What made the sound outside Hae Su’s rooftop apartment? – She had been alone at home, researching the green silicon wrist band and had been startled by a sound.
Hae Su had called KMJ and had asked for a favour – but in the irritating way of dramas, we are not told what it was.
BHS knocks HS down but what happened so that the driver ends up in a coma, unable to walk? Did his mother accidentally knock him down?
Little Funny Moments Amid the Tension
(Timestamp 16:29)
This was a miscalculation on BMW’s part, because he had never believed in HS and JW’s relationship. The irony is of course that soon after he says this, a cop comes all the way to YSC’s office to protect HS.
(Timestamp 23:44)
(LOL. That totally diffused the tension here.)
(Timestamp 35:40) I loved how JW came into YSC’s office room, like a badass b*tch holding a gun to his head.
I shouldn’t laugh but on re-watch I did. The failed rescue of KMJ, and the successful rescue of Ji Won had great entertainment value.
The Weirdness of Hyun Soo and Ji Won
Hyun Soo not only does not know how he feels, but he cannot fathom Ji Won.
She tells HS that he’s weird to want to wear the watch even at home, in bed, because he likes he knowing where he is. He says she’s even weirder for sticking with him after knowing whom he is. They are ‘weirded’ out by their love for each other LOL.
And we might recall that maybe around 2007-2008 Hyun Soo is out ‘on a date’ in the rain with Ji Won.
He walked off that time, but now in the present, it’s the other way around. They both find each other weird for how in spite of the awful situation, not only do they still love each other, but they also decide to cling together all the more. 😀
LJK is killing it indeed. So much restraint and intensity in his acting!
I love the moving depiction of love between a married couple in this show. I just hope we are not served Misty-like ending…
@pkml3 You’re welcome. It was a pleasure to be able to reflect and write, actually. And this pre-emption gives us more time to develop our thoughts.
You said:
About JW going to HS. At first I thought, in the beginning, JW being the pursuer, did more of the going to HS, while after the pool rescue, if JW did go to him, it was out of suspicion, to catch him in some act or other that’d prove he was a criminal.
However, we hear from JW that HS had been pretty proactive too. He’d waited for her outside the library and he’d cooked for her.
I certainly like the reversal and the balancing out in the rescues. In both the imminent death experiences of HS, it was JW who came to the rescue. However, when she was in danger, HS had saved her as well.
This is a lovely couple story in which both parties complement each other nicely. Where JW is weak (as in housework and childcare), HS is strong. Where JW is emotional and impulsive, HS is the opposite.
When they work together, they’ll accomplish so much more than if they work separately. This is already noticeable in the investigation of the accomplice. HS came up with the idea of a ‘trap’ that led JW to entrap the one who’d lured Jung Mi Sook. In exchange, JW’s audio analyst had enabled HS to recognise in the voice recording, the sounds of the bar that led him to the same crooks.
If they’d been able to share more openly at that stage, HS’s entrapment of YSC would have probably gone through successfully. 🙂
The most laughable moment was Reporter Kim pulling the fire alarm and telling the thug that the alarm works well. Not suspect at all 🤣
Ditto w/ everything said above.
@GB thank you! You write so well. Drama viewing experience without you would be like movie without popcorn 😋
Also, people can be so funny. Just like some of them thought JW was “kissing” HS at a “very wrong time” when actually she was trying to resuscitate him, some people thought the director and the actor made a mistake when HS clutches the “wrong side” of his head in pain. Like the wound is on LHS but he’s holding RHS and wincing 😂
I mean, what !
You are too kind my dear @Arihsi. I enjoy your writing style. I find your thoughts inspire more ideas and go into areas I miss. The fact that you could garner so much insight into Hyun Soo’s love for Ji Won from just the few scenes you’ve watched says a lot about how well you analyse.
@Snow Flower, I agree that LJK is great in this series. He seems to have surpassed himself.
@John L, thank heavens for Kim Moo Jin, whom though I deplore for his self-serving attitude, offers us rare moments of ludicrous inanity, and breaks the tension in this otherwise rather serious show.
I am finally caught up and finding FOE to be a great ride with wondrrfulacting, plot twists, K Drama coincidences and fear inducing moments. I think the casst and story here will give It’s Okay To Not Be Okay a run for the money. The twoleads are just so good. I love Moon Chae Won in this role. She is given a complex role-neither fair maiden nor kick ass heroine. And she conveys the emotional ra ge of her character well. She is the perfect balance for Lee Joon-Gi, who is also given so much to do. He has a great slow burn. I also love Moon Chae Won’s role in relation to her police colleagues-the juxtaposition of misogyny, respect, the working mom model, her marriage-what a great ride. And toall the commenters here that I finally was ablevto read-what a treaure trovenof insights. I love you all. And finally, I also findbitbfun to pick up on continuity and absurd errors. They don’t generaqlly affect my view of a program I enjoy. they just point out the fact that the film makers are human (and right now I’m glad it’s not algorithms. Also, in the fullness of time, these flaws make for great trivia. Anyway, FOE makes for one satusfied viewer and the cliff hanger is doing its job.
@Old American Lady
I’m glad that you’re on board with this show and are with us. Sharing our views adds so much more to the enjoyment of watching this show.
I agree and I felt it too within 2 episodes of watching this show. I find that I’m equally if not even more drawn to the tale of a misjudged and probably misdiagnosed character, who has had to choose among a range of flawed alternatives, how best to survive. The cherry on the top for this show compared to PBIO is that here there is already a loving family, threatened, but hopefully likely to surmount all challenges that can tear them apart. I want to see the marriage flourish despite the pitfalls and external pressures. I want to see parenthood rise above and for little Eun Ha to retain her childlike joy and innocence.
Even for the Baek family, I want the better, more just and generous side of Mum Baek to be able to choose the right path, and to have peace. That poor woman has been walking a tight rope for at least 14 years, and both she and the rope are about to snap.
I’ve always heard that she was good although I’ve not paid her as much attention as I could. In this role, I no longer notice her as Moon Chae Won, which is the sign that she’s outdone herself and convinced me.
Yes, this show is doing a great job in portraying the many facets in a woman’s working life, especially in a field that is still male-dominated. It’s wonderful that we see the nuances of the male-female dynamic, where it’s not ‘black or white’ misogyny and subservience, but a mixed range that varies as the situations change.
Det Choi, whose character I was gunning to dislike quite heartily, has been given interesting shades of grey. He’s sunbae and friend, he’s competitor and colleague, he’s a hard-nosed cop out to get or force a truth of his choice … I liked the times when he made suggestions to catching DHS and how he looked to Ji Won for her approval and agreement. He wanted her support and acknowledgement, although he is her sunbae and they are often at loggerheads. By this he admits that he looks up to her as well and values her balanced and objective point of view.
When he can be won over to accept that DHS is innocent, and himself, a victim. I’ll feel that the show has more than fulfilled my hopes.
That it is, indeed!!
Hi @Growing Beautifully, Apologies for my fat fingered typos, Misspellings. Am with you and am so hoping that Mrs. Baek gets some form of redemption. The writer gave her a modicum of joy when she fed the wonderful, real child Eun Ha.
I also love how Korean child actors don’t end up being like their American counterparts who end up being prematurely precicious or cloyingly sweet. The K children are also given things to do that real children do-little Eun Ha had to go to the bathroom at the Baeks-such a familiar problem. I love that little girl. And so many Korean child actors have made successful transitions to adult roles. I just hope that there are good child labor law s in Korea. Nevertheless,I think that the adult actors are wonderful with all of the child actors in this drama.
I was surprised to come across Episode 11.5 of this show… yes, 11.5. It’s a fun filler episode with Kim Moo Jin. It recaps Eps 1-11 and then gives us a special guest in Do Hae Su, followed by the Flashback scenes of Hyun Soo and Ji Won (and their romance) from 14 years earlier. It’s a fun re-cap.
Putting this here:
15.03.1982 – BHS DOB, Korean age as of 2020 = 39 y.o.
08.04.1984 – Hye Su DOB, Korean age as of 2020 = 37 y.o.
05.12.1984 – JW DOB, Korean age as of 2020 = 37 y.o.
11.07.1985 – Hyeon Su DOB, Korean age as of 2020 = 36 y.o. = KMJ’s age
17.09.2015 – BEH DOB, Korean age as of 2020 = 6 y.o.
09.05.2002 – JMS ran away from home after argument
10.05.2002 (7 pm) – JMS called husband (PKC) from bus stop, informed that husband was hospitalized due to car accident.
11.05.2002 – Husband, PKC reported her missing. 3.40pm DMS and Hyeon Su went to art exhibition; 7pm had dinner; 8.30 pm drink at bar
12.05.2002 – 12.45 am DMS and Hyeon Su watched movie; 2.30 am witness saw JMS being kidnapped; 3.10 am DMS and Hyeon Su went home
26.05.2002 (after two weeks) – DMS committed suicide. At funeral BHS cried his eyes out and talked to Hye Su, wrote a phone number 011 876 560X.
Summer 2002 – Hyeon Su was bullied by KMJ
10.06.2002 – Yeonju City serial murder case involving DMS
21.08.2002 – Witness received blackmail call
August 2002 – 3 months after DMS died, the village foreman died and Hye Su and Hyeon Su moved out.
Fall 2002 – Hyeon Su started working with NSK for 3 years.
2004 – BHS finished military and was studying for CAST
Summer 2005 (night) – Hyeon Su was hit by BHS, woke up at BMW’s house. BHS’s parents bumped with Hyeon Su stealing their valuables. BMW was holding a tray that contains bloodied gauze, perhaps from cleaning BHS’s wound?
Fall 2005 – Hyeon Su agreed with GMJ x BMW = BHS parents to take over their son’s identity. BHS was already in coma. BMW said BHS is in coma for the same reason Hyeon Su becomes a fugitive. Serial killings or link to the same murder case?
04.10.2005 – Hyeon Su went to apply for reissuance of new ID card. Temporary card is valid for one month (04.10.2005 to 03.11.2005). Issuance date on new ID card under BHS’s name was 04.10.2005. On same day BHS has to attend 4 hours military reserve soldier training. The letter was issued on 17.09.2005.
Summer 2006 – Hyeon Su met JW for the first time, bought beer and showed new ID card. JW figured Hyeon Su lived as BHS for at least 14 years (Summer 2006 – 2020).
Winter 2006 (night) – Hyeon Su went to buy beer again at JW’s grocery shop and blackout at the shop.
Summer 2007 – JW confessed to Hyeon Su at his workshop
Spring 2008 (night) – (Ep. 5) JW and Hyeon Su (blonde hair) had another date and Hyeon Su finally accepted JW and kiss; and (Ep. 10) Hyeon Su (black hair) working at his room and JW came to tell that she passed her police exam – possibly few weeks after that kiss date.
Ok theorising time!!! hahahah… I have finished ep. 11 last night and had a few discussions with some friends. So, @Au0101, first – you watched The Time Between Dog and Wolf!!! *hugs* that was my first drama of LJK and Jo Kyung Ho. I love both of them. You can try Two Weeks too. It’s a thriller with Mr. LJK 🙂
Ok, so we have established BHS as the accomplice. For me, the remaining questions that need to be answered are:
1. How does DMS really die? Suicide doesn’t seem like it now. A serial killer killing himself is unlikely.
2. Does BHS a superior villain or DMS? Is BHS even a villain?
3. Was DMS blackmailed and he was involved because he wanted to protect his children? Was it because he knew who killed his wife? Was it also because he knew BHS has eyes on his kids, especially Hye Su?
4. Why would BHS go to his funeral and cry his heart out apologyzing?
5. BHS looked innocent after he hit Hyeon Su but he looked a bit psychotic when he was listening to Hyesu and his parents, as well as when he was talking to his parents afterward. Does he have Schizophrenia? Or dissociative identity disorder?
6. If the female he was talking about was Hyesu, then the gangster must have known that is Hyeon Su’s sister. But no mention about it when he was dealing with Hyeon Su.
7. What if the female BHS was talking about was JMS? If BHS was an innocent guy, he might have been the one who save JMS but the situation looked like he kidnapped her. He paid the gangster to look for JMS or to keep JMS safe. He was glad she didn’t remember him. But why would he blackmail the witness if this is the case? So that no one will accuse DMS and Hyeon Su?
8. BHS knew DMS. What he told his parents have a possibility of a reversed fact i.e. he was the one who was blackmailing DMS.
9. Is BMW the real puppet master or is actually just a father cleaning up the mess done by his son for the sake of holding on to reputation, and of course fatherly concern?
In summary, this story is intense. Kekekeke… Ok I am moving to Alice’s thread next.
@GB, @Old American Lady, I enjoy reading your writings!
@mircale23, thanks for the nice work! I love your timeline!
After watching Ep11, I have more doubts towards BMW although we were shown BHS was the accomplice but somehow things don’t add up to me. BHS might only be the one who helped transporting JMS but wasn’t involved in killing her/other victims. I thought about the lady whom he was going to see was JMS, too because her body still hasn’t been found.
I still can’t let go of the fact that BMW tried to guide Hyun Soo poison the taxi driver. Clearly not only did it show us how bad a person BMW is, he also can be the master of villain.
There are still 5 episodes to go and given that we now know Hyun Soo has lost his memory before he was 10 and the helper seems super mysterious, I’d just expect some more plot twist to surprise viewers.
Thanks for the detailed timeline @miracle23.
Excellent job, @miracle23!
If BHS was on his way to meet JMS in 2005, what was she doing for 3 years after her disappearance in 2002?
DHS has no memories of the first 10 years of his life, but he remembers his mother who disappeared in 1997. I wonder what does Noona Hae Soo remember? Is DHS really DMS’s son?
@miracle23, Wow! Your timeline is fantastic-for this fan, you show so much detail and patience. You’re one of the many people who make this blog so rewarding. Thank you somuch.
@pkml3 Hope you’re home safe and sound.
While waiting for the next FoE Open Thread, the main thought in my head is wow, this show really knows how to build up to something and then twists it into something else.
This was a solid episode, with so much dialogue that I really need the subs.