Robert asked:
I was wondering how did sigma get his scar on the neck if seo hae was supposed to be dead in the past? She said that she was suppose to get shot in the hospital right?
Robert,
It’s okay to wonder how Sigma got the scar since he himself couldn’t remember anymore the details about the scar, and assumed that he got it from this incident.
I agree with @Viva that Seohae had read in her diary that she would be crippled after being shot at the hospital. Thus, to prepare for this eventuality, Seohae brought a vial of drug (stem cells therapy?) which would cure her had the past actually repeated itself. Thankfully, she didn’t need it because one of Mr. Park’s minions took the bullet meant for her this time around.
That’s how the “future” changed.
However, Seohae and Taesul’s meeting with the artist Seo Gilbok at his apartment on October 29 was still pre-determined. That’s why Seohae became dizzy; she was experiencing some sort of deja vu or time paradox. While they thought that it was ingenious of Taesul to trace the artist back through purchase of his painting, this encounter was actually nothing new. In a previous life cycle, they also discovered the identity and whereabouts of Sigma. It was in that previous life cycle that Seohae nicked Sigma on the shoulder and gave him the scar.
If you watch that scene carefully, nobody really shot at Seo Gilbok. But when he came running down the street, he was bleeding. (Remind me to post more on this later.)
The confusion I think comes from the diary entry. Here’s the diary entry:
Dear SeoHae,
Happy Birthday. By the time you read this, I’ll be dead. Don’t be surprised. What you’re looking at is from yourself. Listen carefully. There is something we must do. Take the uploader and go to the past. Save Han Tae Sul. If he lives, the war can be stopped. Only you can do this.
The diary entry was misleading.
She didn’t die on her birthday. She only meant that the (future) Seohae would find her old diary on (future) Seohae’s birthday. She warned (future) Seohae that she would be shot after her rescue from the hospital, and she would be crippled as a result.
In effect, Seohae’s birthday was special because the (future) Seohae was given a rescue mission by her past self on this date. Her birthday wasn’t her “death-day.”
We weren’t given the contents of the diary, but I’m assuming that the (future) Seohae was given heads-up on how to survive and endure a lot of things, to name a few:
the conference sniper on August 15
the World Cup Bridge jump on August 19
the shooting at the Kim Hanyoung’s residence on August 27
the reunion with Taesul at the Hannamdom market on September 15
the kidnapping at the amusement park on September 30
the rescue from torture in the basement of the Jaae Hospital on October 4
These dates were written on the back of photograph that Sigma brought back from the future. They were “records of attacks on Han Taesul.”
July 15th Plane accident
August 15th Conference sniper
August 19th World Cup Bridge chase
August 27th Banquet hall at Kim Hanyong’s residence
September 15th Sniper at Tool Shopping Center
September 30th Amusement Park
October 4 Ja-ae Hospital
Hope Nursery School in 2020
We all assumed that these dates were critical because they were opportune moments to KILL Taesul. We also assumed that Taesul and Seohae’s battles were part of one complex cat-and-mouse game Sigma planned for them, and that these dates were like “sudden deaths.” Meaning, if Team Taesul were eliminated on any of these dates, then the game terminated immediately, and Sigma won.
We assumed these because back in Episode 4, when Taesul asked Seohae why Sigma was trying to kill him, she answered, “I’m not sure but…it’s probably because you invented the damned uploader.”
But as the story progressed, we realized that Sigma did NOT want to kill Taesul since he wanted the uploader built.
I think that these attacks were meant to force Taesul’s hand. Sigma was pushing Taesul to invent the uploader despite Taesul’s better judgment saying no. Sigma plotted these “attacks” not to kill Taesul but to push Taesul and SeoHae together so Taesul would think that he had no choice but to create the uploader in order to save SeoHae. That’s why Sigma thought it was “romantic” when Taesul and SeoHae met on the bridge at the Hannamdong market. He was being sarcastic, of course. He wanted Taesul to fall for the girl.
And that’s why Sigma kept giving him the false choice, “save the girl or save the world.” Sigma would really want to see both girl and the world destroyed anyway.
Previously, I said that when Team Taesul acted “out-of-script” or did something during their liminal/transition/waiting periods, they were most effective in changing the course of history.
Take for instance, in Episode 7, when Seohae sought Mr. Park’s help to rescue Taesul from captivity. Seohae’s initiative resulted in an uneasy cooperation between Mr. Park and Team Taesul, which in turn resulted in Taesul meeting Alice Kim and finding a cure for Seohae. See that? Seohae’s “unscripted” choice to team up with Mr. Park directly produced a “better” outcome.
The other time when Team Taesul acted out-of-script and changed course was when they found Sigma’s artist studio in Episode 8.
Taesul: This is the right place. He drew the painting here. (sees the painting) Hang on. “Sigma.” Now I know what it means. Sisyphus. He is an eternal sinner in Greek mythology. He pushes a boulder up a mountain only to see it roll down. Then, he pushes it up the mountain again, and it rolls back down. Again and again. He receives eternal punishment forever.
Seohae: What was he punished for?
Sidenote: Her question has always bothered me because if Taesul was meant to be Sisyphus, then his punishment should have ended because his hyung already forgave him. Taesan said so in his letter in Episode 7, “If you’re still beating yourself up for what happened that day, don’t. Brothers fight all the time….Taesul, I hope you make a choice that you won’t regret. I believe the outcome will be good when good choices are accumulated…Live your life to the fullest with no regrets. And don’t look for me.” Further, in Episode 11, at the beach, Taesul apologized to his hyung and they reconciled with him. So I don’t get why Taesul had to be eternally punished when he’d been already absolved.
To me, if there was somebody who must be punished eternally, it should be Sigma for causing destruction. He made a better Sisyphus than Taesul. Why? Because nobody cared enough for him to rescue him from his own endless cycle. Nobody released him from his eternal punishment. Nobody had forgiven him and let him go.
Before Taesul could answer Seohae’s question, Sigma arrived.
He wasn’t expecting them there when he opened his door so he closed it and fled. Taesul pursued him, but an illegal alien attacked him. Seohae rescued Taesul and pushed the illegal alien up against the wall. To me, this encounter was impromptu because:
a. it wasn’t included in the “record of attacks” on Taesul
b. the illegal alien hadn’t completed his facial transition
c. the illegal alien wasn’t fully briefed on what to do. He had to glance down to check whether he was in the right spot for the rock fall.
Because Taesul figured out the location of Sigma’s studio through the painting and his calculations, they were able to disrupt Sigma’s organized schedule.
In Episode 11, Sigma revealed that the meeting was unplanned.
Sigma: Han Taesul, it’s very nice to meet you.
Taesul: Likewise. (smiling) Why did you leave like that last time? I was disappointed.
Sigma: That wasn’t the day for us to meet.
Taesul: Then what about today? You arranged this meeting? Were you finally ready to meet me?
Sigma: (pausing) I came here to see Agnes. I did think you might come here, but you actually did.
Taesul: Had I known I would have put on better clothes.
What information could Taesul glean from this conversation? He learned that Sigma avoided surprised or unplanned encounters. And this tied in well with what we learned in Episode 13. The Control Bureau didn’t want to barge in the classroom because that would deviate from the past records, and create an “unplanned” encounter.
Also, from Sigma’s warning to Mr. Park, “But if you betray me one more time, I’ll send your wife and daughter to you, dead,” Taesul should have been clued in that Sigma has a continuing link to the future that made it possible for him to influence and control the present.
That’s how Sigma was able to have the body part of Seohae’s father
Sure enough, we find out in Episode 13 that Sigma’s doppelganger, the artist Seo Gilbok, was still alive in future.
To me, that’s the reason that Sigma knew everything. His doppelganger, the artist Seo Gilbok, lived in the future.
Bongseon: Sir. Don’t fight. You can’t beat Sigma. I saw your graves. Yours and that girl’s.
Taesul: I know.
Bongseon: Run away.
Taesul: This time, I won’t die. You know, there’s no problem that I can’t solve. (looks at Seohae)
Bongseon: Sigma knows everything. What will happen, even when and where it’ll take place.
Bongseon: (coughing) Do you really want to beat Sigma?
Taesul: Of course.
Bongseon: Even if you die? (gives him the can)
Taesul: What’s this?
Bongseon: Use it as a last resort. Open it when you have no other option.
Seohae, Mr. Park, Seojin, even Hyunki, all returned to the past because of their regrets. They needed to make amends or atone for something in the past. On the surface, Sigma had demonstrated no such regret to induce him to travel back to the past. For him and the other crowd at that swimming pool, the post-apocalypse was a better future.
To all appearances, his sole purpose for time travel was to ensure that the uploader is rebuilt so he could live in that post-apocalyptic world.
However, in Episode 13, we glimpsed Sigma’s regret during his conversation with the Control Bureau chief. He said, “Although I had already decided to take my own life, I was still scared. So I was just going to just give up if I came across even just one person who told me not to die. In hindsight, if anyone tried to talk me out of it, then maybe the world wouldn’t have fallen into pieces.”
To me, this confession revealed his undeclared, perhaps unconscious, motivation for the traveling back in time. As I said in an earlier post, Taesul was always shown love and devotion whether he realized it or not, whether he was looking for it or not, whether he deserved it or not. But Sigma had no such chance. While Sigma shouldn’t count on Taesul to give him some love or to talk him out of suicide, I think a little bit of kindness, forgiveness or empathy from Taesul can go a long way to change Sigma’s path of destruction.
Hi @pkml3, Happy Easter Wednesday!
Thanks for this. I’m glad to have read it before I continued wondering about the glitches.
– SH coming to Gil Bok’s place to shoot him in 2020 – she gets dizzy and sees some visions that could be of the past or future (one bit looked like TSul was blocking her or shielding someone). She says she felt weird and something is wrong. She did not glitch
– Park went to visit his 2020 self with a gun. 2020 Park smashes the windscreen so that the Parks could see each other. Park glitches. I guess it’s because in the past time loop, he did kill himself.
– Tae Sul touches his own ashes and glitches on and off as is convenient for the show. That’s because he touched himself and is experiencing the time paradox of merging with his dead self.
– Bong Seon makes a suicide mission to kill the snipers around the school. He glitches and fades away. That’s because he says he was dead (maybe he meant he was in a vegetative state) in 2020.
– SH saw her 2020 self in the Amusement Park but did not glitch. She was also fine when she met her mum. SH glitched more in the beginning when she was with Jae Sun. She’d even collapsed and was on the floor the first time. Possibly that’s because she’d met him in the past under similar circumstances and she had already touched her dead self.
So far all the glitching might have had something to do with someone in the past loop being ‘dead’.
About what you say about the end: it would be great if something as simple as Tae Sul being nice to Sigma/Won Ju could avert the disaster. It’s entirely possible with this show, but that might mean that dear Sigma is not much of a psychopath, LOL. He just wanted a friend.
Thanks for taking note of the glitching moments, @GB.
Kindness. After Taesul rescued Seonhae from her drug-induced coma in Ep 11/12, he told Mr Park that his life flashed before him and that after the experience, he felt like he should live kindly.
As a child, Sigma set great store by his artwork. He thought drawing was his superpower just like Taesul’s genius was his superpower. He believed his drawings were prophetic.
Telling Sigma that his artwork was amateurish and “kitschy” according to the critics was unnecessarily unkind of Taesul. 🙂 Seohae looked askance at him.
But oh well. A psychopath is still a psychopath. Taesul can’t be held accountable for Sigma’s own psychopathic choices. But even a psychopath can speak a nugget of truth. Taesul could have been a little kinder, bit tolerant, more emphatic back then when he was a child and now as an adult.
@pkml3 If there was a fault with Tae Sul (and there’s more than one) especially when we first saw him, it was arrogance and the desire to ‘perform,’ take the limelight (usually from Eddy) and that came together with a lack of consideration.
I did note that he bothers about his employees, even when he thought he was going to die on the plane. Even in Ep 14, he wanted his staff to get out of the building before the showdown with Sigma. However he hardly gave his Board of Directors the time of day, neglected his business, made use of Eddy to keep the company going but did not respect him. He had showed a great lack of care and consideration (and faithfulness) for Seo Jin who had been his girlfriend, and had hence caused their breakup. He’d been a playboy and even stolen his friend’s girlfriend. Not at all the saint we’d like our heroes to be.
With Seo Won Ju (Sigma as a child), I felt that Tae Sul was at first indifferent. He didn’t care about whether Won Ju or anyone else in school liked him or not. He merely tolerated him when Won Ju followed him around. However when he found out that Won Ju had discovered from him how to cause the explosion in his home that killed his family, TS was ‘grossed out’. He found Won Ju accosting him after that event, without a shred of guilt or sorrow for what he’d done, and so rejected him completely.
He was so repulsed by Won Ju that it’s not likely he could have found a kinder way to get Won Ju to stay away from him.
Won Ju’s Drawings
Now that I remember Won Ju’s childhood drawings … he had drawn more than one with an aeroplane. Regarding one of them which had Tae Sul in it, he had written “Tae Sul fixing a falling plane.” This seems to be a sign of some kind of clairvoyance on the part of Won Ju.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EU-itLvNDFj714418WKfSi5zG6FJvbCN/view?usp=sharing
He not only had a gift for drawing, but he did envision some aspects of the future. (Unless his future self came and told him all about it?) Most of his drawings seemed to do with Tae Sul. Tae Sul did mention to him that he wanted to make a time machine, however the design Won Ju drew seems to be pretty accurate.
Tae Sul had only done a pencil sketch, which looked nothing like the ultimate uploader.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s4TbqBKxkZCMDETSSZzTcMkL4q5TSvHd/view?usp=sharing
But Won Ju seems to have fleshed it out. He had already done a drawing of people flying through the air and an uploader that looks much like what we see now.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CjLJI0YkFgfJbuBYaZMsWL0qnecVXAJs/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dTOtIfRypZEBaHZWq5IvVMqfXTWHLgaw/view?usp=sharing
There’s a drawing on ‘Inventing’ which looks like someone in the uploader, and next to it ‘The Best Company’ which I believe has Tae Sul as the giant.
There was only one of Won Ju/Sigma, himself smiling at destruction with an aeroplane with engine on fire. What is scary is that Won Ju really drew himself looking like Sigma would look as an adult.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YpZnEQopY1bdIhIf2_4xD6-VYUIf7RWX/view?usp=sharing
That last drawing seemed to predict that he, as Sigma, would be enjoying the destruction of the world. So I’m not sure if he just had grandiose ideas, but he does seem to have predicted quite accurately as a child.
However as an adult, he may have come to depend more on getting intel from himself of the future, or on the many camera records he has of past time loops. To his minions (and to Bong Seon), he still seems to be clairvoyant or all-knowing.
This is the growth arc I’d like to see in Tae Sul. We see that he does have consideration for Bong Seon, and respects SH. He however has to get over being petty or arrogant with people like Jae Sun. He needs to learn to let others take the limelight and be more appreciative of Eddy who had been loyal for a long time before he gave up. Fortunately he was able to apologise to his brother, whom he had failed to appreciate fully or treat better.
Sigma as Sisyphus
I agree with you that Sigma is Sisyphus, and the clue of that Greek alphabet ‘sigma’, being the ‘S’ of Sisyphus, suggests that Won Ju considered himself Sisyphus. He felt himself always despised and rejected, except where he could have control over his minions. However he had no friends. He likely didn’t see himself as being punished so much as always having to loop back so that he could get to meet Tae Sul, his only friend, again and again, and so that he could play his deadly games with him, and pay him back for his rejection, by beating him every time.
Thanks, GB.
Hang on. I’ll repost this on the blog so it’s easier for us to access later and see the pics.
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The Events in the Church and Continued thoughts on Glitching
Something interesting about Tae Sul’s glitches. When he got the glitches in the bunker, they were not within his control. He didn’t want to glitch in front of Seo Hae, but he couldn’t help it. However in the Church with Sigma, he seemed to glitch on cue. He was making a point with Sigma and seemed to glitch to prove that the future had changed.
I wonder if that was also the purpose of getting Gang Dong Gi to call Sigma’s mobile phone at exactly that time. Was it just for dramatic purposes, and to catch Sigma off centre?
Before this also, the Uploader below the church had made the noise that TSul called the sound of nails being hammered in Sigma’s coffin. I assume that in his programming of the Uploader, he’d set the time for it to power down. Also for dramatic effect? I recall that he had lots of showmanship and liked to ‘perform’ his magic trick on stage, when he teleported the sugar cube via quantum teleportation.
The next glitching we see is Sigma’s. This was totally spontaneous and a shock to him. He’d never glitched in all the times that we saw him. This glitching was occasioned by a changed experience offered to the 2020 Gil Bok that would significantly affect the future Sigma. Instead of Gil Bok being abandoned for days and left to attempt suicide again, TSul had introduced Gang Dong Gi into Gil Bok’s life, to change the future.
Previously I thought that the glitching had to do with someone being dead in one of the loops, but that was too narrow an interpretation. Glitches took place when significant changes had been introduced into the previous timeline(s) of protagonists, and one of those significant changes could have been death.
Also, previously I’d written:
Well in a way this played out as well. TSul couldn’t be that friend, but he introduced someone who could be nice towards Gil Bok, before he became Sigma, and that maybe made all the difference.