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Lovely gifs from Deokmi. Thanks @pkml3.
I love that scene very much! Kalimera! Thank you @Packmule3!
Thank you, @Packmule3. I’m really looking forward to the upcoming episode.
Just saw that the OST 2 has ‘dropped’. It’s sounds sweet and sentimental.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60uUxfJB-6E&t=216s
The Google Translation of the Lyrics are below.
Global Trend by TXT (Tomorrow X Together / Tomorrow by Together)
I have something to say when I see you
I think of a person when I see you
One day I first saw you
Looking at me like the sun like destiny
A person on a beautiful day
Even on a dark moonlit winter night when I saw you
Shine transparently with the impossible starlights
Love like a dream, don’t you know yet
You always change me
I am happy to have you
Lalalalala Lalalalala
I want to see you more today
I keep laughing when I see you
The excitement that comes to mind when I see you
Hidden above the clouds
Little by little, your heart that sees me Love so sweet
So Beautiful I can feel it
When I see you, my feelings in my frozen heart
Like a warm spring, pretty flowers bloom
Love like a dream, don’t you know yet
You always change me
I am happy to have you
In the same time
Always stay
Until I can protect you from hurting
It’s the only love from the sky
Every time I talk to you, every moment
It feels like forever, it stops me
Love like a dream, don’t you know my heart
You always change me
I am happy to have you
Lalalalala Lalalalala
I want to see you more today
I find the lyrics rather appropriate for both our leads to sing to each other, although it’s an all boy group that sings this.
@GB,
I have just heard it too! It is rather interesting but I didn’t have time to search for the lyrics! Thank you!
You’re welcome @Cleo. It’s something to while the time before the show airs. If I’m really impatient, I’ll watch it raw tonight and with subs tomorrow (time permitting!!) (⊙﹏⊙✿)
@GB,
After that song, does it means that Doom will woo DK as I told you?
I totally understand! I will watch it too tonight! 😀
I’m posting this here bec I’ll forget it later.
1. If ever there is a deity in charge of Fate, my money is on Team Leader Cha.
—- REMOVED. 🙂 —-
Thanks, GB. I’ll open a separate thread for the OSTs for this drama. Then, we can update the list as we go along.
@Cleo, actually even without that song, I’m expecting him to change his stance with regards to DK, because she is so different from other human beings in his experience. I feel that MM is intrigued by her. After failing to become someone who is unlovable to her, or someone who cannot be pitied by her, he may move on to testing how much she loves him and/or start pursuing her himself to ensure that he does not lose her.
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@GB,
I agree with you. Hence my stance in our previous threads. I believe that he will try to woo her, the thing is that she is already captivated by him as well.
Still, it is going to be very interesting to witness MM following DK around, until she caves in! <3
Heh @Cleo… following the other party around until they cave is called either ‘romance’ or stalking LOL. In this show MM’s stalking is romantic, mostly because:
1)DK knows he’ll pop up from time to time and although she keeps nagging him about appearing in her office, etc, she does not prohibit him from continuing to do so.
2) He does it to standby to help recharge her pain relief.
3) He’s keeping his promise to not abandon her.
4) He comes in handy to protect her, like with the ex-bf and in the train.
It’s just so much fun seeing him in so much denial but then having to cave in because he gets so attached to her. Soooo romantic!!!
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@GB,
We don’t want stalking! We want “romance”…
TvN already posted something on their YT channel.
It is obvious that love is in the air, although I didn’t pay attention to their bickering. It is raw and we had a scene in Episode 5 ‘s preview…
It is a slow burn ! yeah 😛
@Cleo, LOL I’m so excited… dearie me…
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@Cleo Yes! we want romance!
i’m really looking forward to this week’s episodes, but at the same time I’m a bit scared MM will continue wavering between really sweet and really mean…..i hope not!
Annyo!
TvN spoils us today. They shared an interview with our OTP. It has English subtitles!
https://youtu.be/0UDODGY3rk0
Thanks @Cleo. It was funny that SIG stayed in character until the end and couldn’t stop giggling for a while. Did you think the interview gave us more answers to questions or insight to the characters?
@GB,
Definitely we got some answers and insight too.
For example after their contract, MM doesn’t hear her thoughts, which is rather interesting, since we have already discussed about it.
Also, what do they like in each other. DK said about Doom he is cold on the outside, but a softie inside.
Such kind of information is welcomed don’t you think?
Episode 5 be like…
Be still my heart…From the sweetness…😳😳😳😳🥰🥰🥰🥰
@GB @Cleo you’ve got it bad 😂. I haven’t watched yet. Will wait till both eps are available before watching back to back. But I am all for romance. I just read an article in S* that he lost 5kg for this role to look sharper. 😬 So I guess that explains the bony protuberances on his back when he lay against PBY.
But I have to agree with @packmule3 about PBY. I still find it hard to look past her cutesy aura. I have only ever watched her in Strong Woman. And a bit in O My Ghostess with JJS (the actor playing IJ in HPlaylist), and I couldn’t finish it. Come to think of it, the only movie/drama I have seen JJS in is My Annoying Brother and I stayed for KyungSoo, not him. I don’t know what the big fuss is about him.
Kalimera Everyone,
I am just writing down what is the essence of Episode 5 for me. I will comment some more later on! Enjoy !
The incident that changed it all.
So here I am and I will try to capture what happened in Episode 5.
In the beginning of the Episode 5, we have a recap of the first 4 episodes and we finally get to where we have been left last time. FYI, inside the parenthesis are my comments.
This is the 5-minute exchange between MM and DK that melt all the ice that was up during all this time between them.
DK: Are you crazy?! Why would you with your bare hand?
*Sigh* It sure healed fast.
MM: What are you? I am asking you, what are you?
…
MM: You said you wish I would die, didn’t you?
DK: You said you can’t die, didn’t you?
MM: I am asking you, knowing that, why did you do that? Have you no fear?
Should I have just let you get stabbed? Would that have been better and taught you a lesson?
You will die, if you get involved not knowing your place, something like that?!
(Doom’s anxiety level is DEEP RED! )
DK: What does it matter if you can’t die when blood is gushing out like this?
Everyday, with a facial expression that looks like you are dying of pain, if you asked me why I did that, what am I supposed to do?
I didn’t it because you might get hurt, that you might be hurting even more. Why?
( Bingo! )
MM: The one who’s in pain is not me but–
DK: That’s right. It’s me. You know it well.
So, stop yelling at me.
You are not supposed to get upset at a sick person, just like I am not getting upset at you right now.
MM: Is this not getting upset—
*Sigh* Never mind. Let’s just drop it.
What am I doing playing with words with you now?
(He is leaving)
DK: I just did it.
(he turns to face her again)
I said I just did it.
MM: So, why did you just do it?
DK: You asked me why do I have to live, didn’t you?
I thought about it but there is no reason. I just want to live.
It’s the same as that. There is no reason.
Without thinking, when I came to my senses, I was in front of you.
That’s right. I got involved, to knowing my place. Sorry.
MM: If you know, that’s good.
(He is walking away)
DK: I don’t regret it.
(He turns back. Beware of the Sexual tension… )
So, you should just thank me as well.
(He is coming towards her, his eyes are glazing…They have their trademark look. Kiss much?)
MM: He will die, that guy.
You saw me killing him, too, didn’t you?
So, I am not worthy (finally he said it) of you doing something just because.
DK:There must be a reason.
Since you are that kind of being.
…..
Note: Bring me a FAN, this scene was flaming HOT for all the right reasons!
So, DK’s brother came and the conversation stopped, but the energy between them shifted.
As a result, MM left DK and went back in time, in the recreation of the scene, Doom wanted to understand what happened in front of the hospital.
In the beginning he was alone, but the deity girl appeared as well and we had the following conversation between them:
The Deity Girl (TDG): Why did you do that?
Doom (D): Why are you here?
TDG: I’m asking you why you did that.
D: What?
TDG: Why did you protect her?
D: She did it first.
TDG: (Sniggering) Since when did you care?
D: I *JUST* did it! If she dies there, I can’t end the world.
TDG: That’s a good excuse.
D: I want to know too. If it’s really “just”.
Or what her thoughts are.
TDG: Then ask. (Doom was not looking at her, but at the scene, he turns to looks his mom.)
If it’s really ”just” or not. I’m curious, too.
If it’s ”just” for you or not.
Consequently, Doom goes back to DK and asks her what that “just” meant.
So, we finally learned, that Doom cannot listen to her thoughts after the contract – something we suspected over here – and a new chapter begins.
The “Observe and Think” like a human (Kim Sa Ram).
After that Doom follows around DK everywhere trying to understand her more and we get to see more sweetness and an almost kiss.
The fact that they both opened up in this episode is huge. Hence, what was being said in the end of Episode 5 was important, mostly because Doom totally let his guard down for the first time around DK.
DK: I never saw people selling haam.
This tradition still exists. I only saw it on TV.
Doom: He’s heading towards doom.
Not breathing is not the only form of dying.
That’s also dying.
You can’t see things that you were able to see every day.
It’s my job to watch over that as well.
DK: It’s pretty, and sad. (he nods)
Doom: Transient things are generally beautiful.
DK: Do you know what a supernova is? (he looks at her)
At the moment a star dies, it shines very brightly as it disappears.
But that becomes energy for a new star to be born.
And it becomes a star again.
Isn’t it like that? That, and you.
Doom: Don’t comfort me. It doesn’t help.
I though that I picked wrong. (DK turns to look at him)
I thought I made the wrong choice of picking you.
DK: Do you still think that?
Doom: No. I think I picked well.
So that led me to conclude this.
…
Love me.
If you can love me, do so.
I thought that will be a good method. So,
Become the first human to ever love me.”
Shall we say all : Ohhhh! <3
@Packmule3
Can you correct two phrases? I didn’t see that I typed wrong. 🙁
It is in their first exchange
MM: The one who’s in pain is not me but–
Later on:
DK: That’s right. It’s me. You know it well.
So, stop yelling at me.
You are not supposed to get upset at a sick person, just like I am not getting upset at you right now.
@Cleo, you’ve certainly got your wish fulfilled for romance in Ep 5 – the endless long looks kind LOL. I was almost tempted to use a stopwatch to count the number of seconds the OTP had to stare at each other for those takes. They had to do it for so many scenes!!! I’m thinking we were kind of done out of a kiss. Expecting it for Ep 6.
It was interesting that MM has quickly moved from being clueless about how to interpret human behaviour (when he can’t hear their thoughts) to figuring out what DK would need most at different times. The aim of his attentiveness has shifted from getting something out of DK, to figuring out her needs.
He has yet to acknowledge that the reason for this change is that he has grown to care for her. She too is in denial about this. For all the times he prods her to give him reasons for her actions, she says it’s for no specific reason or that she just wanted to do it, but it didn’t mean anything.
I note that her saying it does not mean anything bothers him. He wants her caring actions to mean something. … more later!
Hey my lovely @GB,
I think we were in the same page! LMAO!
Yep, those long stars where pretty intense.
I don’t think MM was being clueless, mostly he counted a lot on his gift to listening to people’s thoughts, that he didn’t stop and think the motives behind that thought.
It was a nice change from all that bickering to go ahead and figure out her needs!
Both of them are in denial. That’s why the deity girl, told him to find out what she meant about that *just* and he wants to find for himself too…
We also have revelations regarding the Second Leads story.
DK’s younger brother after finding out that his noona is going to die, he decides to find a work, so he entered that cafe where Lee Hyun-Kyu is.
Lastly, we got information behind what happened with our second love triangle. As it seems, Lee Hyun-Kyu dumped Na Ji-Na and somehow Cha Joo-Ik kissed her because he hated her, then pitied her.
*Laters!
@Cleopatra, thank you for the dialogue. It’s always nice to see the words again to think about the meanings. My goodness, what a lot of pent-up feelings between the two.
Stylistically, there was a lot of stop action or slow motion to emphasize them trying to grasp the situation (and us, too.) I almost laughed at the supermarket clutch, however. Not the most romantic of locations, right?
I thought Lee-Hyun-Kyu seemed VERY quick to hire the brother. His first comment to Joo-ik was how handsome the new-hire was. Hmmm.
Dear @Fern,
You are welcome. I stopped those scenes at least four times to grasp what was being said, what was being implied and so on.
No, it was not, but I really liked the Kim Sa Ram name DK gave to Doom.
As for LHK, I think that he saw in front of him a person who was in bad shape. The brother was crying and limping. I think that LHK saw the desperation in his eyes.
Well, they want handsome people in a cafe…
I don’t think though that LHK has not depth. There is more in that triangle love story, we don’t know anything about it, yet!
@Nrllee,
I missed your comment! We are just extremely happy…LOL!
@Cleopatra, you are correct that LHK has depth. We shall see what makes him act the way he does, I believe.
I noticed your last words of dialogue, ‘You are not supposed to get upset at a sick person, just like I am getting not getting upset at you right now.’ She recognises that he has problems that are just as monumental as hers – not a physical illness, but in his psyche. I really liked that she could express that at such a moment.
@nrllee, I agree with you and @packmule3 about PBY and her cute image. It was a blessing to her earlier, but perhaps more of a curse as she looks to take on more serious roles.
I think her acting is very good here, and she is nailing it in the conversation scenes. But I’m not sure her face can physically do very negative emotions like anguish, dread, ugly cry, as well as some others. No fault of hers – just the way she seems to be made, if you know what I mean. I think this may be one reason the high-pitched wheezy breathing is heard every time she is in pain or fear. I wonder if it was added by the sound crew rather than actually coming from her, but I don’t know. I didn’t notice it in another drama I saw her in.
@Fern,
I agree with you. The story needs to open up for the 2ML as well.
As for DK, I think she hit a spot with those exact words. I also like what he told him lines before that.
“What does it matter if you can't die when blood is gushing out like this?Everyday, with a facial expression that looks like you are dying of pain, if you asked me why I did that, what am I supposed to do?”
Here. DK finally told the truth in Doom’s face, in a gentle way, that Ahjussi! You don’t have a pocker face as you claim you do. I see you through. You are in pain. Not physical, although, you bleed like the rest of us.
“So, just stop yelling at me.”
You don’t know how much I enjoy watching these five minutes…
I…must…resist…watching…till…after….tonight… 😂 I want to binge the 2 eps back to back. So we’ve had almost kisses…surely we will get one real one tonight? 😘
@Cleopatra, I can tell that you enjoy those 5 minutes. 🥰😉
I can’t wait for tonight.
@Fern,
You got me! *smiles* Same over here!
@nrllee Resist, If you can! I think that we will get one kiss tonight!
My only question is, Doom being Doom — does he even know how to kiss (etc.)? Has he ever done it before or has he just observed it? Do you remember when he said something like, ‘Should I kiss you now?’ a couple of episodes back? I wondered how he meant that – was he asking permission or clarification? 🤓😉 I guess we’ll find out.
Done. 🙂
@Packmule3,
Thank you!
(@Cleo my subs are differently translated so see if this gives added clarity.)
Reasons and Becoming Human 1
I noted before that in the early episodes MM was resentful that humans had more say in some things, like whether the world could be destroyed or not.
When he claimed it was his birthday, Deity had mocked him :”Birthday? You think you’re human? Have you ever been born? Or are you human, for that matter?” (He thinks a bit and looks a bit hurt/sad that he cannot respond with a resounding ‘Yes’.)
Later when he thinks of what Deity had said about him being a butterfly and not being human, he says resentfully :”What’s so great about humans?”
I did wonder then if he wanted to be human, because:
1) then he’d have that ‘authority’ to end the world himself by wishing it and
2) so that he could be mortal and die
3) and so that he could be loved, although at that time, he didn’t think it possible.
In Episode 5, MM whether he engineered it or not, became more and more human. It actually started from the time he made the deal with DK. (More on this later)
After the scalpel attack, MM shifts himself and DK away from the crowd at the hospital entrance. He wants reasons for her actions, and meaningful ones at that.
MM : “What’s with you. What’s wrong with you?” … “I thought you wanted me to die.”
DK : “But you said you can’t die.”
MM : “If you knew that, why did you jump in front of me?” (The normal reaction would have been to run away and let him take care of the killer.) “Maybe I should have left you to get stabbed? That would have taught you a lesson. It would have taught you that you could die by getting involved.” (He does not want her to die or get hurt. It should ironically occur to him that if she’s involved with him, death and getting hurt would be par for the course!)
DK : “So what if you can’t die? You’re still bleeding like crazy. … What am I supposed to say when you ask me why I did that, with that heartbroken face of yours?” (She pities him.) “I was worried it might hurt you even more.” (To her it’s ok if she gets hurt to save another person. She demonstrates the human aspect of self-sacrifice.)
= = =
DK : “I did it because I wanted to. That’s all.”
MM : “I want to know why.”
DK : “You asked me why I need to live. I thought about it, and I couldn’t think of a reason. I just want to live. … It’s similar to that. There was no specific reason. I just instantly found myself standing in front of you. You’re right. I should have known better. I’m sorry.”
MM : “I’m glad you know that.” He walks away.
DK : “But I don’t regret it. So just thank me for what I did.”
He walks back to her.
MM : “The guy is going to die. (He still wants to see if she finds him repugnant for killing someone). You saw how I killed him. So don’t sacrifice yourself for me for no specific reason. (But conversely that means that she could if the reason was specific, like because she loved him?) I’m just not worth it.”
DK : “I’m sure you did it for a reason. You’re that kind of being.”
MM does things for a reason, whereas DK does what feels right. Although she claims that what she did was for no specific reason/it did not have to mean anything, she herself seems unaware that she has a meaningful reason: she cares about MM. And when she does become aware, as we mentioned earlier, she goes into denial about it.
The wonderful irony of this show is that people when faced with their doom, will strive to survive against Doom who will take their lives away. But the total opposite plays out in this show when the human being throws herself in the way of being killed, and Doom repeatedly saves her for reasons he is trying to figure out for himself as well!
Reasons and Becoming Human 2
Later she excuses his killing the man. Now it’s DK’s turn to ask for the reason.
She’s watching the news and notices that MM hasn’t turned a page of the book he’s supposed to be reading. Hearing that the killer had hurt other she says : “I was right. That you had a reason. Was it punishment?”
MM: “Don’t get any ideas. I’m not into that.”
DK : “If you’re not into it, is it your life’s calling?”
MM ironically : “How grand. I couldn’t stand the stuff he was doing.”
DK : “You keep saying that.” He looks over at her. DK continues :”You said that to me too. But he and I can’t be the same.” (I’m not sure of the reference here. Did MM say he didn’t like the stuff that she was doing?)
MM : “How are you different?”
DK sarcastically : “I don’t know. How are we different?” She gets up a little annoyed to be lumped together with the scalpel wielding killer.
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MM is out in the ambulance, replaying what had happened.
Deity is suddenly present beside him : “Why did you do that?”
MM : “Why are you here?”
Deity : “I asked you why you did that. Why did you protect her?”
MM : “Because she did it first.”
Deity scoffs in disbelief : “Since when did you care about that?”
MM : “Because if she dies, I can’t end the world.” (He is still in denial and trying to convince himself that he had a reason. He has yet to come to terms with the fact that wanting to save a person for that person’s sake, or out of care, was a good enough reason in itself.)
Deity gives him a look of pity that he’s so dense.
Deity : “What a great excuse.”
MM : “I want to know as well. Whether that’s really it or if it’s something else.”
Deity : “Then ask which is which. I want to know too.”
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MM asks DK : “What did you mean by that? So you just wanted to save me. What did you mean by that?”
DK : “I just wanted to do that. That’s it. It doesn’t mean anything,/i>.”
MM : “You saved me because if I disappear, you’d die, right?” (He tries to reason in terms of his utility to her.)
DK : “Is that it?”
MM : “I knew it.”
DK : “What do you think?”
MM : “How would I know that? I can’t hear your thoughts because of our deal.”
There’s this delicious irony of him most needing to hear her thoughts at this stage, but no longer being able to, in other words, he’s become more like us human beings. By making a deal with her, even in Episode 1, he had started becoming more human.
DK : “Then do you want to make an effort? You can observe me and think about why I did it.”
MM : “Why should I do that?”
DK : “Because I do that often.” She comes closer to stare at him. ” ‘Why on earth is he like this?’ ‘I see. That’s why.’ It’s a skill people need to have in this world. Right … can you not do that because you’re not human?”
He thinks and reluctantly asks : “How do you do that?”
The one who protests hotly that he’s not human now agrees to learn how to interpret human behaviour, the human way.
Reasons and Becoming Human 3
In the supermarket, DK insists on giving MM a ‘human name’, Kim Sa Ram.
MM : “I don’t have a name. Only people need names.”
DK : “Then be Human.”
Strangely, he almost crashed into a shopping cart … very un-deity-like and DK had to save him again.
In the office, MM goes to her with a finger wound from a staple, incurred as part of his work.
DK sarcastically : “Gosh what a dangerous job you have. (LOL) Is your finger a document?” (Instead of acting like a deity, he’s starting to act like a powerless human being.)
She applies a band aid/plaster to his wound.
MM : “Why did you put that on?”
DK : “Because it is bleeding.”
MM : “It probably stopped before you put it on.”
DK : “You think I don’t know that? It’s like a comforting ritual. It’s recognising your pain. It doesn’t mean anything.”
MM : “You said that again.”
He decides to turn the tables on her. He pretends he needs help and when she comes over he puts his hand over hers on the mouse and everyone notices.
MM “I just wanted to do it. It didn’t mean anything.” (He’s annoyed and getting back at her because he wants it to mean something.)
LOL poor DK protests to the whole office repeatedly that it didn’t meant anything. (However, it actually did.) 😉
In the train ride home, he demonstrates the human trait of consideration. He moves her to stand in front of a passenger who was about to get off. DK is very pleased to get a seat.
MM : “I observed and thought about what you might feel. You seemed tired, and figured you might want to sit.” (He’s a fast learner.)
DK :”I’m so touched. You’re pretty much human now.” (He pretends that it’s no big deal but he’s pleased by the praise.)
He refuses to take other available seats “Because I need to stand here and observe you.” (Yeah, right.)
Reasons and Becoming Human 4
In Episode 2, Cheater ex-boyfriend claims that DK seduced poor little naïve him. Cha Joo Ik listens to the nonsense and says: ” ‘Seduced’ does not belong in the same sentence as ‘Dong Kyung’ “. Well not deliberate seduction, but inadvertently, just by being herself, she’s seductive to MM.
In Episode 5, on the beach, MM reaches out to touch her hair but stops when he sees the band aid on his finger. It was a reminder of her caring for him, and of how it was a sign of acknowledging his pain. Although she had said “It doesn’t mean anything,” perhaps that act of kindness had seduced him.
DK : “Why are you suddenly being nice to me?”
MM : “To seduce you.” (Her eyes widen) “Just kidding.”
But she has been seduced.
DK : “Do you want to kiss?”
She changes her mind and is embarrassed by this, but the unintended seduction carries into the night MM and DK watch a traditional marriage ceremony.
MM “Most of the things that disappear are beautiful.”
DK “Do you know what a supernova is? Right before stars vanish from the world (universe?), they shine brightly. And that explosion creates energy for the new stars in the future. It will become a star again. Maybe that’s what this is. The reason why things disappear and why you are here.” (There seems to be a hint of reincarnation here!)
She’s getting existential. He’s been spending days wondering about the reasons why she did what she did. Here she gives him the reason for his own existence.
MM : “I thought I picked the wrong person. (To make the wish for doom). I thought I shouldn’t have picked you. That’s why I thought I was in this mess.”
DK : “Do you still think so?”
MM : “No. I picked the right person. So I came to this conclusion. (He looks at her) Love me. Love me if you can. That wouldn’t be such a bad idea either. So be the first human to love me.”
So the answer to the reasons why? They had been seduced by each other.
This time MM’s words are not a challenge or demand, but a wish and a request, and a very human one at that. A meteor streaks past in the sky, reminding us of how arrogantly and differently MM had approached DK on that meteor shower night, when they both first had the same wish at the same time. This is such a far cry from Episode 4, when MM told DK “You can’t love me. No human has ever loved me before.” She, had however, been adamant that she could.
We wait to see if they will acknowledge that they are once again sharing the same thought at the same time, whether MM will acknowledge having been properly seduced like a human being, and whether DK will keep her word to love him.
@GB,
I am watching DAYS on Viki. I have found some differences in the subs you have posted!
So, I will post later the exact parts that are different!
@Cleo, I did transcribe quite a bit of my subs. If you want I can also post the parts that you want to compare to get more interpretations of what was said. Let me know which parts if you want them.
(*＾▽＾)／
@GB,
I will write down the parts I found that are different and tomorrow we can talk about more it, ok?
P.S. TvN posted a video on YT, that will leave us…😳
@Cleo I can’t tell which video it is on YT. You can leave a link for it when it is not likely to be a spoiler.
I’ve watched Ep 6 raw. Nice cliff hanger!
@GB,
As it seems, it has to do with that cliffhanger! I am waiting for English subtitles to be on!
Kalinixta to you!
@GB,
My pc crashed and I lost everything I have written so far… :’-(
I cannot transcribe again all the dialogues, so I will write down what I remember. :’-(
I was commenting on your “Reason and Becoming Human 2”
The word that it was used from the Viki subbers in their conversation, while DK was watching the news was “bother”.
That exact word was also used in Episode 4, when Doom talked with Deity girl and he said that:
“She (i.e. DK) bothers me more and more.”
So the verb “bother” has a significance here.
On “Reason and Becoming Human 3”
In their exchange when DK wakes up, after the recreation of the Hospital Scene, Viki subbers are using the word “just”.
Also, check the 5 minutes conversation, where DK is using the word “just” for the first time on why she did it.
The word “just” continues to be used even when MM was impersonating DK’s colleague Jung Min.
In the bandaid scene:
DK: This is just a consolation.
It’s something saying like “Oh, that must’ve hurt.”
MM: You said “just” again.
When MM called DK to help him print that document and hold her hand with the mouse. He used “just” as well.
MM: I “just” did it, too.
So, we have the repeating of some phrases / words like: “Stay Still / Hold Still”, we have noticed before.
Does anyone know the title of the song that plays during THAT scene at the end of episode 6 please? I don’t think it was released as part of the OST?
@RH,
It is not yet released, but I read that Gummy is singing it!
Is your computer going to be all right, @Cleopatra? What a bother!
Episode 6 was packed full of interesting things. Does taking the green umbrella away break the spell of Cha Joo-ik?
@Cleo, I was really afraid that a family member would come into the home office and destroy the atmosphere of the end of the episode. Did he say ‘No’ to the wish because it already existed?
Oh dear @Cleo!! I’m sorry to hear that you didn’t manage to save your document. OK let’s see…
“Bother”
The word bother if my subs translated it in the same terms as yours, appeared in Episode 4
Sun Kyung had acted up and DK and SK had fought. MM comes and says :
MM : “Why are you going to be forgiving again? I think you have the wrong idea that the person who forgives is kinder. That being kind wins.”
DK : “I guess that bothered you. (The fact that she said she forgave him.) Sorry. Satisfied?”
MM : “That’s right. You bother me. You keep bothering me.”
In Ep 5, instead of the word ‘bother’ my subs have it as ‘couldn’t stand’
DK asked about why he killed or allowed the killer to kill himself, whether it was punishment. MM says no he does not go in for punishment.
DK : “If you’re not into it, is it your life’s calling?”
MM ironically : “How grand. I couldn’t stand/was bothered by the stuff he was doing.” (The bother here is to do with hating what the killer did.)
DK : “You keep saying that.” He looks over at her. DK continues :”You said that to me too. But he and I can’t be the same.”
(I mentioned how in Ep 4 he says she keeps bothering him … is this the reference that she makes here? I’m guessing so. Thanks for pointing it out so now I can figure out what she meant.)
“Just” For me the repeated word was not only ‘just’ but the entire phrase to mean that what DK did was not significant. ‘It didn’t mean anything’ is what she also repeats often and what MM threw back in her face.
So I’m looking to see if and how she acknowledges that what she does is significant after all. Not just something she’d do anyway that didn’t mean anything, but something special. In Episode 6 we see that MM says she’s special. Everything he did with her, was the first time for him. It was all un-chartered territory and significant to him. Also there’s the fact that she bothered him so much that he had grown to care for her. So he was put off by her saying it was not all that significant/it didn’t mean anything.
More later!!
Things I found interesting in Ep. 6:
Doom looks different to everyone. Doom can even be a woman. I was wondering why DK’s doctor didn’t recognise him!
For someone with no experience Kim Sa Ram kisses very well.
I had written off Lee Hyun-ku as being a cowardly boyfriend, but there may be something else going on.
What’s the deal with Lee Hyun-ku and rice cakes? He acted as though he got food poisoning or an allergy from them which caused him to miss his exams, but he ate them gladly at the class reunion. Is it an excuse to guilt/manipulate Cha Joo-ik?
Why would Cha Joo-ik take back the umbrella after all of that time? It seemed petty, or was it a signal to Ji-na?
Hi everyone.. hope you’re good after watching the cliffhanger moment in eps 6.
I just thought is it better for me to watch this drama after everything is completed.. because I am so so so curious. Lol.
@Fern, i am agree with you at Lee Hun Kyu being a bad boyfriend. Seeing him like “understand” DK brother when he asked him for a part time job made me thought that Lee Hun Kyu is not a bad person after all. There’s something with his decision to break up with Na Ji Na. (It’s not because he thought his brother “like” her and he give up on her, I supposed). I think one of the reasons of Joo Ik taking his umbrella back is to treasure their moment, we see that he smiled looking at his umbrella, right. Well… I think Na Ji Na would end up with him anyway. What do u think? (As for the guessing game for second couple)
And for our MM – DK or should I say SR – DK..
My heart just fluttered because of them. Hahaha I realized I miss watching romance drama just now.
So now, we know that MM want to be loved. DK think it was because MM want to be dead. But I think it’s also because he truly wanted to feel love too.
I like the scene when DK asked Joo Ik about what he really wants when he knows he will be dead. And I’m glad that he turn the answer to ask for him to crazily in love with her.. and DK goes with this. They make an unusual weird friendship with their conversation (not just this but when she asked about why he kissed Ji Na, i always smile seeing their scene). Here, we could see that DK has been going with Ji Na and Joo Ik suggestions regarding her “love” issue. Ji Na for : dream about him to fall in love with him.
I am not so sure about what the deity want at this moment. Why would she say that she will take off the plants if it grows strangely. Why did she say she has to delete or reset when something’s wrong… And suddenly MM disappeared. I hope it’s not because Deity made him like that.
Oohh this almost makes me go crazy.. lool..
Oh, and I like the soundtracks of this dramaa..I heard more great songs will come later.. so which are you favorites?
@moonstar512, I like the conversations between Joo Ik and DK as well. He seems to be very analytical and an acute observer of interactions. He doesn’t pull rank too much with her and participates in her conversations. I think he values her. Yes, I laughed when he kept telling DK to speak more softly, until she literally whispered. The he dismissed her. While playing solitaire. Then left immediately after her. We know why now.
Ref the class reunion – how awkward was that?!
I need to re-watch the episode.
Kalimera @Fern and @GB,
I rebooted it and it works, but it was late in the night, so I will check it again today. I just got frustrated because I was typing for some time and I lost whatever I have written.
@Fern I think he said “No” because he already loves her.
Remember in the beginning that he said “Saranghe. I will die for you. Sleep well.”
The interesting part in Episode 6 is that Doom knows exactly how he feels, which is rare but DK is fighting it because if she loves him then MM will die and she doesn’t want him to die. But, then DK realizes that wants to be loved by Doom as well. Yes, Director Cha is the responsible for that.
“Crazy in love.”
I did and then didn’t enjoy that kiss to be honest with you @Fern and @GB…
Mostly because of what happened next and let me explain more below.
The thing is that the deity girl interefered with both MM and DK. Her influence in the episode 6 is tremendous.
Scene #1
MM: how can she name me Sa Ram when I’m not even a human?
She’s so weird.
TDG: It suits you well.
MM: The name?
TDG: Her.
A weirdo is with a weirdo.
MM: You’re the one who made me, yet calls me weird.
TDG: Names are only for things that are called.
Now you have someone to call you.
MM: Who asked to be called?
TDG: You did ask.
You whined like a kid.
*Sighs*
So? Are you going to disappear?
(MM gets serious when he listens to the question)
MM: What are you saying?
TDG: Wasn’t that the plan?
Get loved by her then disappear.
MM: “God doesn’t know.”
“But pretends to not know.”
TDG: Would that go as you planned?
(MM is alarmed by his Omeoni words.)
MM: What does that mean?
TDG: Human love is more dangerous than you think.
They can abandon the world to get one person.
You don’t know what result will come out.
That’s always fun for me.
(She was looking at the gift she got from that vending machine. That ball that she gave to DK later on.)
Then this…
Scene #2
DK is outside from the Hospital and the deity girl approaches her.
TDG: Open this for me.
(DK remembers her from that bus station.)
Dk: I am right, aren’t I?
TDG: What?
DK: Last time, at the bus stop.
It’s amazing. We meet like this again.
Are you hurting somewhere?
TDG: How about you, where does it hurt, Unni?
DK: Um? Me?
TDG: You must’ve come to the hospital because you are hurting, right?
DK: Well…
TDG: It seems that neither of us wants to talk about it.
It means let’s talk about something else.
(DK sighs and agrees.)
DK: What is that flower pot?
TDG: This? I am waiting for it to sprout.
DK: What did you plant?
TDG: Well, I don’t know either.
If it will sprout or not. If it does sprout, what it will be.
DK: (thinks about it before she answers)
What if something strange sprouts?
TDG: I will have to pull it our (BINGO! Big Mama is going to do something!)
DK: Pull it out?
TGD: It’s okay. I just have to plant it again.
Since this is mine. That’s not mine but, this is mine. (looking at the pot)
DK: Then, I hope that something nice sprouts.
TDG: I hope so, too. I’ve put in a lot of care into it and waited for it.
Since it’s my first time planting.
(DK is listening to her.)
TDG: I am done drinking so I am leaving.
(Dk nods and says okay.)
This is a gift, since you opened my drink for me.
(DK takes that gift the deity girl got from that vending machine.)
Now, when I saw that scene I knew instinctively that things wouldn’t go well in this episode.
Let me explain why. In the early societies, before the invention of money, they exchanged gifts. Products exchange was the thing back then. They could even marry someone, in order to strengthen a bond between foreign families.
Do you know the significance behind a gift ?
The one who was accepting the gift bore responsibility towards the giver.
What exactly was that gift that the deity girl gave to DK?
It looked like a sphere with a milky way or if you looked closer, its shape reminded me of an eye.
The eye of the Goddess? Kinda like, I am looking at you?
So, when we get to the kiss part. It was amazing! Yes @Fern! Doom is a great kisser, but the thing is that something was going to be messed up.
That exact moment was robbed from them and us consequently.
The Deity girl warned Doom about his relationship with her.
Later on, the Deity girl told DK that she can pull out the seeds she planted to her pot, in order to plant something new.
Lastly, when we were witnessing what we were asking for since episode 4 for our Sa Ram and DK we got the following voiceover of the deity girl:
If you mess with the system, it means you were programmed incorrectly.
Anything incorrect…should be deleted.”
Doom realizes that something is definitely wrong.
DK reads his face and asks “Why?”
Then he is vanished and DK is left alone.
TDG: “Or should be reset.”
What we should expect next? Because the big game will start with Episode 7…
*Laters more!
@Cleopatra, I was thinking the same thing. He wouldn’t grant that wish because it was superfluous. The love already existed.
Yes to everything you say about the deity. She said that she just (passively) planted the garden and let everything grow, but clearly she left out some of her methods.
Clueless About Falling in Love
We bitches noted already that how DK and MM attempts to fall in love, by an act if will is completely flawed. While it’s understandable for MM perhaps, who has not had a chance to fall in love before, it’s a little hard to explain DK’s cluelessness.
DK now wants to save her life by finding someone else to die in her place. The problem is that she has to love that person the most first. Her attempts to do this makes me roll my eyes so hard they hurt.
The only excuse I can find is: she never had the time or bothered to find out about falling in love first-hand. She has only ever read about it. All she does in terms of romantic love (according to her brother), is to like guys who are nice to her.
In Episodes 5- 6 I shake my head that the evidence is there, that shows DK and MM have already fallen in love, but they don’t acknowledge it. In direct contradiction to what she wanted before, ie to love MM so that he’d die, DK now wants to love anyone else (anyone deserving of death LOL) other than MM, so that he won’t die. Or to put is another way, so that she won’t be living without him, ie living unhappily.
I can’t believe that she is trying to force herself to fall for the guy who embezzled money (seen in the news) or considered falling for Young Prince because he’s such a twerp. At the rate she’s going, DK needs cupid to shoot the arrows into her chosen victims for her. LOL.
The Callousness of the Deity
This reminds me of the myths of the gods (Greek gods?) who for entertainment, place creatures in various situations to see what they’d do. She says at the end that she finds it fun to see how things will turn out because people are unpredictable.
I believe that Deity has been setting MM and DK up to meet and to interact. It was after all she who told MM that on his birthday he could become someone’s wish/hope. She bumps into DK to remind her that she has met MM before. She waits and watches to see what will happen.
Deity at the toy dispensing machine says to MM : “So will you disappear?”.(She knows his plans to be loved so that he can be the one who dies.)
MM looks puzzled “What …”
Deity : “Wasn’t that your plan? After getting her to love you?”
MM quotes what Deity said before : ” ‘The deities know everything. They just pretend to be clueless.’ ”
Deity : “Will it go as you planned?”
MM : “What do you mean?”
The toy is dispensed and Deity takes it.
Deity : “Love can be more dangerous than you think. To protect their loved ones, they can throw away the world. You don’t know how it will turn out. And I always find that fun.”
Deity is waiting to be entertained.
The First Time and Deity’s Experiment
Deity seems to be experimenting. She’s planting a pot plant for herself for the first time and is waiting to observe what will bud. More about this later.
MM and Deity are outdoors. Deity is buying from a toy dispensing machine.
MM complains : “How can she name me Human when I’m not even human? She’s so weird.”
Deity : “How suitable.
MM : “The name?”
Deity : “The girl. A weirdo met another weirdo.” (I believe that Deity has engineered this relationship between the 2 weirdos, as part of her experiement.)
MM : “You created her and are calling her weird.” (Since Deity also had a hand in creating MM, then she is finding both her own creations weird. LOL. We note that MM calls DK a weirdo later. It could be part of the experiment that Deity made DK different from other people, so much so that she sometimes appears weird.)
Deity : “To be named, there must be people who would need to call you. And now, you have someone who would call for you.”
MM : “I didn’t ask for it.”
Deity : “Yes, you did. You always did, like a little kid. (We learn from this that MM had wanted to interact with others who would call him. Perhaps he had even been a kid once? Perhaps it was because MM wanted a friend, that Deity created DK.)
Deity’s First
21:00
DK meets Deity who brings her flower pot with her.
Deity : “I’m waiting for it to bud.”
DK : “What did you plant?”
Deity : “Well… I don’t know if it will actually bud and if it does, what it will be.” (There is the element of uncertainty, unpredictability and experimentation.)
DK : “What if something strange comes out”
Deity : “I’ll pull it out.” (We see a streak of callousness again.)
DK : “You’ll pull it out?”
Deity : “It’s ok. I can plant something else since this is mine.” She looks over at other plants. “Those are not mine but this one is mine.”
DK : “I hope something good grows.”
Deity : “I hope so too. I’ve put in a lot of effort, and I’m waiting patiently, since it’s my first time.” (She’s doing a trial and error experiment, and is prepared if she does not like the results.)
DK as the First and Only
DK is excited to think that she’s right about MM looking different to different people.
DK : “Then what I see may not be the real you.”
MM : “It’s the real me. Only you can see the real me. It seems that way.”
DK : “Why/how?”
MM : “That’s why you’re a weirdo. You can see the real me, call for me, and give me a name.”
(This is what Deity pointed out to MM. Deity also pointed out to him that DK was the first human [in Episode 2] to remember him. There are many great differences with DK that MM has never encountered before. I believe it’s because he’s part of Deity’s experiment, the plant that she’s been trying to grow for herself, for the first time.)
DK : “That’s why you kept telling me to love you. You know, when someone can see you for who you really are, it makes your heart flutter. That’s it, right?”
He is silent.
DK : “If you don’t answer that, it makes me feel so awkward.”
She tries again.
DK : “Did I figure out you move? Is that it? Are you saying I’m the first woman to see the real you or something?”
MM : “It’s true. You are the first person that I ever interacted with in this way.” He turns to look at her. “Everything is a first to me.”
DK : “Is that so. I see.” She looks uneasy and awkward about it but is silent.
If MM is Deity’s plant, then she’s waiting to see him bud, but if he displeases her she has the right to replace him. If the pot is meant to grow the relationship between MM and DK, then if the relationship takes a weird turn, Deity can also ‘end the program’.
At the end, Deity speaks of a wrong program that can be deleted or reset, if it messes the whole system. But is it Deity who determines what is a mess and who set up the system? MM says he is part of a larger system. This part remains unclear to us.
MM disappears after the kiss. Whether it’s he who has become aware of something and disappears voluntarily, or whether it’s Deity who has pulled the plug on him or the system has rebooted LOL, we have to wait and see. Another interesting cliff hanger.
To be very honest, i was a bit disappointed in ep 5 and 6, because I had high expectations after ep 4. MM says “you love me”, DK refuses, and then DK says “you love me”, MM refuses. Then a kiss. Its like going back and forth, and MM trying to get closer to her and she pushes him away. Why does DK waste time trying to fall in love with a random bad guy when it’s obviously not going to work? Couldn’t DK try to work things out together with MM? And then the disappearance! Ugh! Well hope things get better next week.
Hey my lovely @GB,
I am glad I helped above with “bother”
As for “Just” I think that DK needs time to digest what MM starting telling her from Episode 5-6. The thing is that she acknowledge, she cannot live happily if he dies in her place. That means a lot, even though, she seems to say otherwise!
P.S. We are in the same wavelength again, as it seems!
@Fern, what I gathered about Lee Hyun Kyu was that Cha bought rice cakes. Because he liked them so much Lee ate them just before the CSAT. His tummy upset was attributed to the rice cakes. He missed his CSAT and had to go overseas to study, thus breaking off with NJN. Since these guys already were friends from before, NJN must have known them both. NJN may have blamed Cha for buying the rice cakes. He may have felt sorry for her because of the situation with Lee. I can’t imagine why he’d kiss her out of pity except that he liked her too.
He may have brought the umbrella to her on that rainy day and left it with her after the kiss. Was that supposed to be her first kiss?
In any case, now she knows that the kiss was out of pity, hence the umbrella would be linked to that ‘pity kiss’.
I’m in two minds about Cha. On the one hand, I feel that he must have liked her a little, but because she liked his friend, Lee, he left her alone. On the other hand, he appears indifferent towards her and very blunt.
Cha did not seem to know that Writer Lee Hyun was NJN. He only found out at the meeting in the cafe. She recognised him as the guy who had kissed her, and who knew Lee HK. He asked if her name was NJN and if the pseudonym Lee Hyun came from LeeHK’s name.
Thus far Cha did not show more interest other than that he knew she had had a crush on Lee. The umbrella should have meant nothing to him since he never bothered to follow up to even know her name. So maybe he was just being petty in taking back his own property.
However, if there is an element of liking her, and sometimes it seems that way, such as when he told her not to go to the reunion, then taking back the umbrella could be a sign that just as she should let go of Lee, he no longer wants her to remember the past with regards to himself.
Now that he sees Lee has returned early from the reunion ie, Lee has not taken the opportunity to spend time with NJN, I wonder if Cha will think matters are settled where NJN is concerned, and whether he will show that he is more interested in NJN himself than he let on before. Maybe taking that umbrella back means he wants to have a fresh start with her as well?
@Growing Beautifully, I re-watched the scenes with Cha and NJN. I think he is definitely interested in her. As he’s coaching her about how to write, he talks about how the hero must make the heroine’s heart flutter. The way he looks at her and then touches her cheek to remove the eyelash. I think he did it very purposefully. He didn’t ask permission, so he crossed a line. Then he asked if it made her heart flutter. Also I noticed when he saw the umbrella, he seemed very interested and I took it to mean that she kept it as a souvenir. He could have left it, but he made an issue out of it to remind her, so that she would be flustered. That worked. All of that just before she was going to the reunion to meet Lee HK. I think he’s very clever.
The Disappearance
I can’t find the reference now but I think it’s in this show … it was about possible endings… the WTF kind of endings are when ‘it was just a dream’ or ‘everything gets reset’. There was one more ending but I can’t recall it. In any case, it occurred to me that that was a meta on the possible endings of a show, and a show like this one.
So since now in Ep 6 we already get mention of a ‘reset’ and MM disappears, I’m actually quite relieved. I’m hoping that show will only do this once and not again at the end!!!! One time before the middle of the series is OK. We still have 8-10 episodes to sort out the mess LOL.
I was thinking how poor DK said: “People who are nice to me always disappear.” And true enough, MM literally disappears before her eyes.
My belief is that MM’s disappearance was either involuntary or because it was the best way to protect DK, or something similar.
With the usual trope, when 1 party runs away/disappears/has an accident etc… the possibility of amnesia crops up. We know of course (and the preview shows us) that without MM, DK is going to suffer a lot. I’d prefer that amnesia does not come into the picture.
About MM’s Face and MM Does an About-face – Recalling from Episode 3
In Episode 3, MM has taken on the role of Boss Park in DK’s office.
MM : “Memories are very easily distorted.”
DK : “Exactly. How did I forget that? You don’t have a common face.”
MM : “That’s true.” Then he think with a frown and changes his tune
MM : “It’s very common. This face is much more common than you’d think.” (We do not know at this stage that different people see him with a different face every time, and that no one except DK sees his real face.)
DK thinks and says : “It’s amazing. I couldn’t remember at all, but when someone bumped into me, all of it came rushing back.”
DK realises that the person who bumped into her was the same girl she met at the bus stop.
MM is surprised and thoughtful as he remembers that Deity had said to him : “Then I must do whatever it takes.” “I said I’ll do anything.”
What MM realises from this is that even as a child, DK had seen his real face. She could recognise him again after Deity bumped into her. She was the first human to be able to do this, because she’d been made to see through all of MM’s guises. So Deity’s plans have been in action since DK was born.
What is the Wrong Program?
Episode 3 continued.
MM accosts Deity in the hospital grounds over her bumping into DK.
MM : “Is this the ‘anything’ you said you’d do?
Deity : “What did I do? All I did was make her remember things that happened. You’re the one who got close to her.”
Deity : “Do you realise what it means to have compassion?”
MM : “I don’t know what that is.”
Deity : “No, you do. You just tell yourself that you don’t. You smile a lot and feel bad for her, don’t you?”
Deity : “Your feelings will grow.”
MM : “Never.”
Deity : “Do you think you can let her die?”
MM : “She was fated to die, to begin with.”
Deity : “Can’t you change her fate?”
MM : “How can I worry about her? How can I feel bad for her.”
Deity : “You pity yourself the most in the world, don’t you?”
MM : “What about you. Do you know what compassion is?”
Deity : “I pity the person who will die in place of her, in case you break the contract.”
MM does not like this and walks off. (By Episode 6, the person who would die could be MM.)
By Episode 6 we find that Deity’s prophecy has come true. MM’s feelings have grown, and he can no longer let DK die. He asked her to love him, so that he could die in her place. He wanted to save her. This is MM doing an about-face.
So this sounds like it is actually according to Deity’s plans. But what was it that upset her plans, to make her say, if the wrong program messes the system it has to be deleted or reset? Did the wrong program refer to the fact that MM knew full well that DK should not ask him to love her, ie it was not allowed, but yet he gave in and kissed her?
@Fern, You are right. Cha is a crafty one. He’s observing Lee and wheedling his way into NJN’s life under other pretenses. He insisted that she met all his demands of the contract and he invites himself to her place at any time it suits him. He definitely crossed the line. I’m wondering at this stage if he’s a good ‘un for NJN to have in her life.
One guy does hardly anything, while the other does so much to get her, in an underhanded way. I hope Cha is not using NJN to get back at Lee. Maybe she should just stay clear of both those guys!!
@TY
Since we’re only in the first half of the show, we will not have a happily ever after for a long time yet, so expect more twists.
I do not know how much more back and forth will be in store for us, but we did note that MM and DK will frequently battle each other. Either to push death on the other or take death for themselves. The fun of the show is that they’ll continue to contradict each other, and work at cross purposes until they finally come to terms with their ‘real’ situation. They have yet to acknowledge what is apparent to us viewers who can watch objectively. It’ll be fun because they will change and grow, and this adds the conflict … what was ok before, will no longer be acceptable later.
We are waiting for them to pull together and figure things out cooperatively rather than like now, when each has their own ‘solution’ which is rejected by the other.
Not sure if @GB has already said it, but just popping in to say SaRam means “Person” in Korean…so “Human”. Guess that ties in with DK gradually turning Doom/MM into a human. I haven’t had time to watch but am skim reading spoilers and the copious notes @GB and @Cleo have written 😘.
I think Director Cha is deeply in love with NJN – but he knows she has not moved on from Lee HK. The advice he gives TD to wish for the other person to crazily love her is a reflection of his own desire, he wants NJN to see him and love him. To this extent he has gone as far as having her enter a contract with him. It makes for an interesting parallel to TD and MM’s contract on many levels.
MM is teaching TD to want to live and experience emotion even if it’s ‘without an umbrella’ – when they run up the stairs both soaking wet she says she’s fine now and can finally live to which he responds, ‘See? Rain is not a big deal right? It’s not a big deal even if you’re the only person who doesn’t have an umbrella. You can just get drenched. If you get drenched and run, you’ll reach home soon.’
I am interpreting the rain as a metaphor for all the emotional turmoil and heartbreak life throws at us – and the umbrella a metaphor for humans putting up walls to protect their future selves from feeling anything following loss, grief or heartbreak. MM is slowly breaking down TD’s walls and make her ‘feel’ again after the loss and abandonment she suffered as a child just like Director Cha is trying NJN to show how to move on from her heartbreak. Director Cha taking away the umbrella was very symbolic in that regard.
Great insights @rh. I was thinking that there should be several parallels between the Main Leads and the 2nd Leads. MM would play the parts of both LeeHK and Cha in the parallels.
I like the analogy of the umbrella and the rain. It seems that MM is still observing DK and thinking what it is she needs. He came up with such a great way to give her another perspective on dealing with her life of rain without an umbrella.
Yes @Fern, that very scene when DK’s voice is getting softer and softer. I was laughing in that scene!
I like your explanation about Cha – NJN, @rh.. I’m glad that this second couple is interesting to watch too, moreover seeing their parallelism with MM-DK,,
I also agree with you about the interpretation of rain and umbrella.. The conversation between MM and DK about rain is indeed very deep.
@GB: about the disappearance,
I really really super hope that the ending will not going to the “it’s just a dream” option or “reset” option. I remember watching this twilight movie and get upset because in the end it is said that everything happened was just a dream or a projection of some choices.
And about the wrong program, if it is that because DK’s wish is to love her. And the impact of this wish is MM will sacrifice for her instead, and the deity doesn’t want this to happened. I just wonder how many are the possibilities of their sacrifices then, and what outcomes that pleases the Deity.. I imagine that no matter how much reset the deity will do, is it the fate that these couple (MM – DK) seems to be fall in love again?
I’m thinking about the reference of one the movie here: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. “You can erase someone from your mind, getting them out of your heart is another story”.
So I hope even though there will be amnesia story in the future (I hope not), they will feel something towards each other. They will find a way to find out what bothers them so much even when they couldn’t remember it. And so DK won’t suffer much pain because of this.
And about the pot that owned by Deity, I am more into the relationship between MM and DK on that. Well isn’t she just a gardener? I suppose yes, a gardener can plant any seeds and pull them out over and over again. But what if the “strange” plants always grows over and over again too. I also very curious about what she meant by something wrong in the system. But she herself also can not control the outcome of what she’s been planted. She only could pull out and replanting. But until when.. (and wait, what.. why this reset thingy just brings me back to the sisyphus loop all over again.. lol.)
Finally, about Joo Ik and NJN. I also think that he still doesn’t properly showing his feeling towards Her. Yes we can see that he’s interested in her, but how he will act towards her is another thing. However though, I see a potential of him to properly treat NJN in the future, because at least he’s concerned about her. He is bothered by her and he pitied her. I also hope NJN will teach him more lesson whenever he cross the line though.
@moonstar512 Yes, that’s a good possibility of what the ‘wrong program’ is. Deity who created MM to serve the garden forever probably does not want him to succeed in getting himself killed. In this case we want ‘fate’ to always bring them back together.
Although with a reset it’s like looping back, I really hope we don’t end up in Sisyphean loop too!!! That will be so tiring.
We can tell that when Cha said: “I read all of your novels, and you need one thing, a new male character. And I’ll help you with that.” There is a double meaning. He would help with her writing, but he also intended to be the new male character in her life.
I agree that Cha should be put in his place. He’s too arrogant. He’s been getting his way in most things, except, perhaps in getting to NJN first. When he asked NJN what she’d choose as the reason a male lead could be charming, he mentioned wealth or competence. He, obviously believes he has both.
I’d like him to have a challenging time trying to win her over.
As for Lee HK, I’d like to know what his problem is. Did he actually run away and why did he never contact NJN.
Actually, except for the fact that NJN is so hung up on Lee HK, I see no reason for her to be with either of the guys. Although it will be entertaining for us to watch them fight over her, it would be great if the story does not follow the usual path but ends off with her choosing herself instead and being happy alone.
Since we think that the 2nd leads will have parallels with the main leads, I’m wondering what parallels NJN’s choices will have with those of MM and DK.
Btw there are titles to the eps? On Viu. I am off to watch now. Need to play catch up. 😂
Ep1 – I’m really dying
Ep2 – Hold my hand
Ep3 – living together with MM
Ep4 – how to love MM
Ep5 – why would she do that?
Ep6 – Now what?
Thanks @nrllee!
This is the opening credits. I took screenshots and added comments. I am not sure if this is where the writer is heading with it but this seems to be the flow I am getting from it…plot wise. It could just be metaphorical ie reflecting MM’s heart and not a physical place of sorts (the garden.).
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UShVvw9NCDfQfv6nrPHugWbuLJkxcc1kMiIWwLEG6l8/
Thanks, nrllee. I can post this on the blog.
Thanks again @nrllee. I do like those opening credits. It predicts a happy ending with Doom no longer alone. Yeah, I like the possible references to the Garden of Eden, where the garden (of their hearts) gets restored (the way Christ came to restore us to full union and harmony with God, each other and Creation). I’m glad to see no serpent sneaking around in those credits though!
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@GB: regarding the ending possibility of Triangle love between NJN-Cha Joo Ik-LHK, It will be quite interesting if she chose herself!! Yes Cha is in the too arrogant state right now. He needs someone “slapped” him hard to make him touch the ground again.
@nrllee: thank you for the opening credits screenshots+comments. If the plot stopped at the end of the opening credits, it looks like they’ll have a happy ending. I hope so 🙏🏻
Can anyone explain why DK wished for MM to love her? That’s something I couldn’t understand since she said she did not want to ‘love’ him.
@GB I am thinking about the serpent reference. Because of what @rh found with The Little Prince making an appearance in the background. The Serpent in The Little Prince was Death. He killed the little Prince. So that the Little Prince could return to his rose. The Little Prince disappeared. His body was never found by the Aviator. It appears that he became a star? So I am waiting for a bit more before trying to see what parts of the novella the writer used to build her DramaVerse.
At times I think DK = the Aviator and MM = The Little Prince. Because of how TLP comes to earth and learns about humans. So using the Serpent motif to represent MM doesn’t quite fit. Even if both represent Death/Doom.
Gosh, I’m so far behind commenting on this series, despite having watched up through Episode 6 as of last night. I’m just now catching up with the discussion you’ve all had, and it has been rich in thought, analysis, etc. I wish I’d been in the thick of it, but better late than never.
@Packmule3, in an earlier thread you wrote, “Some feel the rain, others just get wet.” We see that adage come to life in Episode 6, when MM takes DK’s hand and they run through the rain together.
DK: Hey, Can you not stop rain?
MM: I can.
DK: Seriously, what is this! I’m all drenched! If this was going to happen anyway, I should’ve walked instead. (She’s out of breath from running up the stairs.) Then I would’ve had less of a hard time.
MM: Are you still having a hard time?
DK: I’m okay now. I feel like I can finally live now.
MM: See. Rain is not a big deal, right? It’s not a big deal even if you’re the only person who doesn’t have an umbrella. You can just get drenched. If you get drenched and run you’ll reach home soon.
@Cleopatra, this scene can be added to your list of ones where a word meaning “run” is employed. As you wrote before, in Ep. 1 MM says Come with me or run away… In Ep. 4 DK challenges MM by saying Come in or run away… In this instance, MM’s invitation for DK to run with him hand in hand appears as a good thing until DK complains of becoming wet from the rain. MM encourages her to change her perspective on rain and on running.
It seems this writer likes to parse and play on words, although we’re having to rely on the subbers to get the gist of it. And is it only me, or do there seem to be times when the meaning of the dialogue is scrambled because the translation is off? Still, it seems the writer is diving into fine differences between doom and death, doom and fate, making someone love versus falling into crazy love, the meaning of the word “just” when used to describe a concept like: I didn’t consciously choose to do it, I just did it. In Ep. 1, MM responds to DK’s question on how her coworkers thought he was the writer Siberia, “It’s not ‘entranced like that’, they were truly entranced. To MM (and the writer) it was an important distinction. So we (as best we can without knowing Korean) need to pay attention to the words the writer uses. In the same scene, DK tells MM: “Don’t look into my heart.” MM’s answer: “Well, I don’t ‘look’ necessarily I hear it.” These type of exchanges tell me that the characters, and the writer, care about the precise meaning of words.
About the red thread bracelet: It does remind me of one episode of Hotel del Luna that featured a deceased woman still attached to her living fiancé by a red thread that needed to be cut before either of them, living or dead, could move on. The order of events that led to MM putting the red thread bracelet on DK are as follows:
– DK experiences debilitating pain in her head while crossing the street and collapses in the crosswalk.
– MM stops time and the oncoming truck of doom, offering to save DK if she takes his hand.
– DK takes MM’s hand, and the cross the street hand-in-hand while time reverses.
MM: “Don’t let go. Don’t let go, if you don’t want to die right now.”
They sit at a cafe table, still holding hands. Because DK is still skeptical about his identity, MM performs three miracles to convince her. He also asserts that their contract has been sealed by her taking his hand. “I’m not nice. You just made a contract with someone like that. Keep that in mind. I’m bad.” (As viewers, we have to discern if he’s a reliable source for this assessment.) MM then perceives that the mass-stabbing perpetrator is attempting suicide and gets up to leave; DK restrains him by not letting go of his hand. MM: “You didn’t want to grab onto it earlier, but now you don’t want to let go?” DK: “You told me to not let go.” MM covers DK’s wrist with his free hand; when he lets go, the red thread bracelet is around her wrist. MM then lets go of DK’s hand for the first time since she took it in front of the truck of doom. DK: “What is this?” MM: “My promise. Since I told you I won’t make it hurt. Don’t be too reassured. It’s like charging. Once a day, before 12.” DK: “Charging? How does it work?” MM: “By holding my hand.” DK: “What? Why?” MM: “In case you run away.”
@Cleopatra, there’s another instance where the word “run” is used!
So the red thread bracelet is in place of MM holding DK’s hand to keep her alive. If Deity Girl is the one who orchestrated DK experiencing head pain in the crosswalk and sent the truck of doom, it could be that at the bus stop, knowing MM was watching them, Deity Girl showed interest in–and almost touched–the red thread bracelet on DK’s wrist as a threat, and that’s how MM takes it. MM wants to get DK away from Deity Girl, not revealing who she is or that he knows her. Back at their co-joined homes, MM appears to sleep on his couch. When DK questions why he is doing so, MM answers, “Because something might happen to you.” He wants her to quit work and stay home. DK declines, explaining she’ll continue work to support herself and not waste her wish on receiving money. MM circles back to his concern about her safety. “Don’t you think that you are letting your guard down a little too much? Don’t show that bracelet to just anyone. It can become your weakness.” The implication is that if DK loses possession of the red thread bracelet, she is no longer under Doom’s protection and will die.
Another phrase I believe we should be tracking is “Why me?” MM asks it of Girl Deity, the stabbing perp asks it of MM, DK asks it of MM, and that’s probably not all.
I’ll stop here because this has become a long ramble.
Kalimera @Welmaris!
Thank you for pointing out more incidents! When I realized that those exchanges had a meaning, not only in our meta triangle (Deity – Doom – DK), but also for the second love triangle (Cha – Na Ji Na – Lee Hyun-Kyu), I started writing down their conversations.
I have posted about the “come or run away” and “why?” part as well and we have discussed about the red string of Fate. Still, it is good that we get to discuss and see other perspectives as well!
So far, I haven’t managed to answer to what was posted yesterday and already the conversation has spread in various directions! 🙂
@Moonstar512,
I am not that sure that Lee Hyun-Kyu is a bad boyfriend.
It seems to be more in his story and we haven’t know his truth yet.
The fact that he hired DK’s little brother shows a lot about his character.
Please rewatch that scene. DK’s little brother was crying and he decided that he need to grow up and he enters the cafe and asks LHK if the ad is still up.
LHK looked at him and he said yes. Immediately. I think that he is hurting inside. He puts a smiley face but he is not okay. For what reasons we don’t know.
From their reunion gathering, the way he reacted when he return home, he seems to have a regret regarding Na Ji Na.
As for Cha Joo-Ik,
I think that he had a crush for Na Ji Na. In their high school days,
Lee Hyun-Kyu and Na Ji Na seemed to be popular in school.
So, I think that of course Cha interested in her, but in his aloof state, doesn’t show it, but the triangle’s back story is not yet revealed.
@rh, I found interesting your theory about the umbrella.
@nrllee, I have noticed that every episode had a title. Good that you posted them all here!
Just a little treat!
Behind the Scenes from Episode 6. Yep, it also includes *that* scene too! *grins*
@Cleopatra, Kalimera. Thank you for the lovely video.
@moonstar512 and @Growing Beautifully, regarding Cha Joo-ik’s arrogance. I agree. He surely thinks he’s handsome and a great catch. I was getting mid-book Mr Darcy vibes. Arrogant, but in love. He will get put in his place, I’m sure.
I thought the scene with his father was interesting. It was like fencing. His father said, ‘You really do take after me. You never lose an argument.’ Joo-ik counters with, ‘Dad, let’s get this straight. My looks come from Mom.’ Basically telling his father that he is unattractive! But the dad laughs. In the end, Joo-ik gives up and leaves. I had the feeling that his dad was enjoying the conversation more than Joo-ik. Kudos to the dad for saying, ‘A man should be responsible for his actions. The same goes for women…’
Being responsible was mentioned by Lee HK to Joo-ik as well. Maybe that’s another repeated word.
I’m sure that the 30 women in Cha’s life include his co-workers and any other lady he comes in contact with regularly. I also laughed at his bright yellow car, as seen through the window at the reunion. I would think anyone with a car that visually loud was trying too hard. It didn’t seem to match his personal style.
Thanks @Welmaris for adding your thoughts. Makes the analyses so much richer!
Thanks @Cleo for the video. I only just read your other post and was just saying I wanted to watch the bts and ‘wallah!’ I find that you’ve anticipated me LOL. Oh that run up the flight of steps was sooooo tiring. Poor PBY and SIG. I wonder how many takes they had to do in for run and how long they stood in the ‘rain’. Kudos to them for making the kiss look romantic after all that!
Kalimera @Fern and @GB!
I am glad you liked the video! I watched it last night and I thought it might interest you!
@GB As it seems we are in tune these days! HA! I wish I could understand more, but one day I will. I agree with you about the kudos!
@Packmule3,
Can you open a part 2 for these Episodes?
This thread is getting longer and longer! We are very chatty as it seems!
@qqq I can’t say I have the answer to your question, but as I write it out, you can see what you think.
Your question:
What DK was struggling with was I believe an Either / Or situation. She wanted to Either know how to both satisfy the terms of the contract as well as how to make those terms favour her objectives, Or she wanted to be able to break the contract without incurring the liabilities/consequences.
She has been vacillating between the Either and the Or.
The Or scenario: When she didn’t yet love MM, she was all for getting him to be the one to die if she broke the contract. Therefore she was intent on loving him. He was agreeable to this and challenged her to love him ‘like crazy’ so that she’d want the world to be destroyed for him.
However by Ep 5’s end she realises that she does not want to benefit from MM dying in her place, ie she does not want to live without him. So she foolishly tries to love ‘bad guys’ and to detach herself from MM. That does not work, so she considers the Either scenario.
The Either scenario: DK (who knows that MM means too much to her at this stage) now is intent on keeping the terms of the contract so that MM won’t die, but she wants to bend the situation to suit her aims. Those aims are to prevent her loved ones from dying and preferably to prevent the world from being doomed.
One of the terms she has to fulfill is that she has to make a wish. Everyone says they’d wish for money, but Cha gave her the solution that most resonated with what she wanted. She wanted a fulfilling wish, that would not be a waste, and that would hurt no one. She felt that she could not/should not love MM, but she really did want to be loved by him. It seemed worth a try, so she asked MM if she could make that wish.
In actual fact, MM says that the wish is invalid (partly because maybe it really is against the rules that we don’t know about / but mostly because he already loves her so the wish is superfluous… it becomes a wasted wish). He demonstrates that the wish was unnecessary by kissing her.
So what do you think?
Before I forget, I wanted to put this down…
The aura around Life Deity, is actually more like an aura of lifelessness. It’s paradoxical. One would expect the Deity in charge of life to be lively, energetic, enthusiastic. But Deity is sickly, mostly passively waiting, watching over an inert looking dry pot of earth and with death as a very great likelihood in her future.
When the doctor gave her positive feedback on her health, she said it was a lie. Perhaps she knows that she’ll die and when.
It occurred to me that the events she has set in motion, so that MM and DK would enter into a relationship, was a preparation for the time when she’d die and MM would be abandoned by her once again.
Deity : “To be named, there must be people who would need to call you. And now, you have someone who would call for you.”
MM : “I didn’t ask for it.”
Deity : “Yes, you did. You always did like a little kid.”
He didn’t want to be alone, where no one would call him or speak with him. Deity knew this about him. She knew he’d grieved for her at the funeral in her past mother iteration. Perhaps she was preparing for her death by giving MM a companion in DK, who’s created to be as weird as him.
Will do, @cleopatra. Please give me an hour. Going on my morning jog now. 🏃♀️
I can’t remember in what episode this information was dropped, but Lee Hyun Kyu broke up with Na Ji Na by text. Hmmmmm… Could it be that the breakup text was written by someone else using LHK’s phone, then deleted so LHK didn’t know it had been sent? And that he didn’t contact NJN following his test fiasco and his move to Japan because of a misunderstanding? That he expected to hear from her (or something along those lines), but instead got the silent treatment (because she believed he’d broken up with her via text).
Ugh, I’m disappointed in the daddy-issues trope rearing its ugly head in regard to Cha Joo Ik. Poor little rich boy. Why is he hiding the fact from his co-workers that he’s the son of the building owner, and that Life Story is his company? And what’s with the secrecy about his living arrangements? What are his motives behind sharing the penthouse with LHK? CJI seems to be hiding behind both CEO Park and LHK. What are his motives?
@Packmule3,
Take your time! Thanks in advance!
@Welmaris,
I really like this theory! If that is the case, then that someone is evil! *coughs*
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Hmmm. I thought that perhaps LHK guilted Joo-ik into sharing his home by bringing up the ‘it was your fault I ate rice cakes and missed the exam – take responsibility’ idea. How interesting that he could have plotted all of it — perhaps even the rice cakes.
Thanks, @Cleopatra, for writing out the subs. 🙂 This made my work easier.
@Packmule3,
You are welcome! I am glad I’ve helped!
I realized after watching the first two episodes that what is being said is important, so I started writing down the transcription of their dialogues from episode 3 and on!