In Episode 1, Songhwa declared her self-improvement project for the new year. She wanted to become a villain. I’m sure there are more than three ways of understanding how “villain” is used in this drama, but I’ve limited the nuance of the word to three levels, for brevity.
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The first definition is “hardworking.”
We know the word originated from Season 1, Episode 9 (38:43). They heard that the disturbing news that their colleague Professor Cheon was marrying one of their board members, a self-made entrepreneur. JW praised her as “very capable,” and “an all-around wonderful person.” IJ said, “she’s a competent businesswoman, and has a great personality, but she has low standards for men. Professor Cheon is obviously after her money.”
Then IJ said an odd thing. After observing that the woman had low standards in men, and Prof Cheon was a mercenary, he still had to ask JWan to verify, “Is he really not a good person?”
JWan: (confirming) That’s right. He’s a total jerk. He’s really horrible. I’d describe him as a villain.
Songhwa: What’s a villain?
IJ: It’s a compliment. Runs to get and pay bills. It means a hardworking person who always does his best.
Songhwa: Ahh. Really?
@BulmaGoku, please make a gif of this scene, too? Episode 9, timestamp ~ 38:43. Thanks! I want to capture that smile of Songhwa.
Thanks for the gif, @BulmaGoku!
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For me, Songhwa would have to be particularly dense to believe IJ’s definition. The guys had all agreed that Prof Cheon was a bad guy, so how could “villain” suddenly turn out to be a compliment when referring to Prof Cheon?
At any rate, in Season 2’s Episode 1, Songhwa began “rehabilitating” the word. She used IkJun’s definition of a villain, but with a twist. She was inventing an oxymoron: a saintly villain.
The second definition is “not a geezer.”
I wish I knew the actual Korean word used in the conversation. She was explaining to her residents why she had suggested a work transfer for Capt Ahn.
Update: 6/30/2021 Thanks to @royangi, we know have the Korean word. It’s kkondae.
Songhwa: They were short-staffed and needed help. I figured nothing bad would come out of it. They handle a wider range of cases. And the more work you do, the more and quicker you’ll learn.
As soon as she said that, she stopped, and asked if she sounded like a geezer. A geezer is an old and cranky individual (typically male) who likes to moan about the good old days or give unsolicited advice to young people on how to be a better person. (I admit I sound like geezer when I’m not bitching. lol.)
SongHwa wanted to become a villain because she thought villains are cool and hip, unlike a geezer.
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Third definition is “evil person” who gets blamed for destroying the hearts of IkJun’s and Jang’s shippers.
After one episode, here’s an update on her villain project.
Third Definition, “Evil person” ✅
Because she turned down IkJun, she’s perceived as evil by those who were shipping the two of them together. She’s become a villain in their eyes.
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Well done, Songhwa! Mission Accomplished! You’re villain!
First Definition “Hardworking” ✅
She’s definitely working hard. Everybody knew she was working hard.
1. JW knew that he had added to Songhwa’s load.
Songhwa: …Are you on duty tonight?
JW: Yes, I am. But you’re not. You should go home early.
Songhwa: I will, after I check in on Yoo Gyeong-Jin. She must be nervous about the surgery.
JW: Waaah. Songhwa, you really are…(at a loss for words) How can you be so focused whenever you start something. You should never be put in charge of anything.
Songhwa: (sitting up) I had five phone calls about DDL this month. I need to work harder. To turn all your plans into reality, I definitely need to work harder.
JW: If you’re going to keep this up, I’m really… I’m going to take it off your plate. I don’t want your life to be consumed by work because of it.
Songhwa: But I love it. Please, keep me on it. (aegyo)
JW: (laughing)
Songhwa: There aren’t many patients in Sokcho, so I have time to work on it. Timing-wise, it’s perfect.
JW: Oh boy.
Songhwa: You’re too busy these days. You’re taking care of all the surgeries. Without you, the entire Pediatric Surgery will shut down. Where will all the kids in the PICU and NICU go?
JW: (aegyo) I should’ve asked IkJun to do it.
Songhwa: He’s busy, too. He’s had transplant surgeries for two days in a row.
A few of you wondered what JW meant by giving IJ the project. I think he meant that he’d rather burden IK than Songhwa.
2. JW, IJ and SeonBin knew she was working hard.
3. Her director apologized for making her work hard.
Director: Professor Chae, thanks for everything. I promise I won’t overwork you like this anymore.
Songhwa: No, it’s fine. If it’s surgery for VIP patients, don’t worry. Send them over to me right away.
Director: I didn’t know you had this side to you. Anyway, take it easy.
Songhwa: Will do.
Her Director got the wrong idea however. He thought that Songhwa was eager to treat more VIP patients for extra income for herself. He didn’t know about the DDL project.
Second Definition “Not a geezer” ✅
This episode was Songhwa’s turn to shine. Without seeking attention to herself (cough cough IkJun), she showed every at the hospital that she was an impressive person.
1. SH told the gang that Songhwa was the best neurosurgeon in the hospital.
He said that the Korean violinist who was based in Germany and was tested there, decided to return to Korean to get her surgery done there. The implication here is that Korea’s medical standard is up to par or even better than Germany’s. (Lol. The Koreans are flexing.)
SH: Her mother and the hospital director are close friends. They don’t care for famous doctors. They asked for the best neurosurgeon at our hospital. And Songhwa was chosen.
Look at Songhwa’s quick smile.
Note the contrast between Songhwa and IJ. Songhwa was famous but she kept it lowkey. She’s polar opposite of IkJun who was also famous but likes the spotlight.
Remember this conversation from Ep 1 when the fellow Seomin wanted to invite IkJun to lecture at an event?
Seomin: Thank you so much, Professor Chae. The lecture will happen elsewhere, so I wasn’t sure how to bring it up. My brother was the one who asked me, so I couldn’t refuse him.
Songhwa: Asking him will only take a second. IkJun will do it if he’s free. He likes doing those things. It’s just that he’s always busy. He’s in my office now. Let’s ask him. Thank you.
She knew IJ’s personality. He was great surgeon, but he also liked to be the center of attraction.
Songhwa: But does it have to be IkJun?
Didn’t you wonder who else she had in mind?
Seonbin: Professor Lee IkJun is very famous as a leading liver transplant specialist.
Resident: They specifically requested Professor Lee IkJun. He’s a great lecturer on top of being a competent doctor. He’s very charismatic.
Songhwa: Really?
Note: Songhwa’s version of “Really?” is vastly different from my version of “Really?”
2. The world-famous violinist was fangirling Songhwa.
Mother: Where’s the professor who’s operating tomorrow? They keep sending these young residents.
Violinist: The professor is in Sokcho now. She’ll probably get here tonight. I’m excited to meet her. The tenth female Professor of Neurosurgery in the country. I even like her name, Chae Songhwa. Isn’t that impressive?
Mother: We’ll have to see.
Comments:
The violinist understood Songhwa’s busy schedule because she too was recognized in her field, too.
The mother was acting like a normal worried parent…except she was rich so she could demand prompt and better service.
The violinist didn’t view Songhwa as a geezer. To her, Songhwa was cool…like a “villain.”
3. Songhwa was a “villain” after saving a world-famous violinist.
SeonBin: Professor, did you hear?
Songhwa: About what?
IJ: Is this the start of an interesting story?
Really, his nosiness is such a major turn off. He’s like a tabloid reporter looking for gossip to sensationalize.
SB: A German TV station wants to cover the story.
Jwan: I don’t think Ms. Yoo is well enough to be interviewed yet.
SB: (waving no with her hands) They want to interview Professor Chae.
Songhwa: (touches her glasses, she didn’t want SB to know about this)
IJ: Songhwa?
SB: Yes. The best neurosurgeon in Korea who saved the world-famous violinist. They want to interview you.
Again, note the difference between Songhwa and IJ.
In SB’s own words, “Professor Lee IkJun is very famous as a leading liver transplant specialist” vs “The best neurosurgeon in Korea who saved the world-famous violinist.”
They both saved lives.
But IJ was famous; Songhwa was lowkey famous that SH was surprised that she was #1 in their hospital. IJ was a “leading” specialist. Songhwa however was the “best” in the country for saving the violinist. IJ liked fame, bragged about being “inssa” (or member of the “in” crowd) and HOGGED the spotlight (yes, he does). Songhwa didn’t look for fame. She would do the interview only because she wanted recognition for the whole team, not just for herself.
Now, tell me again how these two match each other, and why it’s logical for me to ship them. And don’t give me that “opposites attract” hogwash.
Songhwa: I know. Director Ju told me about it.
SB: Really?
Songhwa: But I already declined the request.
SB: Why? Why did you decline the request?
Songhwa: Geunyang. No reason.
SB: I bet it’s because of her mother.
Songhwa: (raising her eyebrows)
SB: You turned it down because you don’t like her mother, right?
Songhwa. No, I don’t dislike her mother. And even if I did, why would I turn down the interview because of that? That’s not it.
True. SB was projecting her dislike of the mother onto Songhwa. She had no reason to dislike the mother because she understood where the mother was coming from. Also, the interview would NOT have harmed her reputation, but boost it. Even if she disliked the mother, she wouldn’t cut off her nose to spite her face.
SB: Then why did you turn it down?
Songhwa: Because none of you would be available. How could I do it alone when we all worked hard together?
SB: (speechless)
Songhwa: I thought it’d be great to have you guys join me, so I suggested a few different time slots. But hey can only do this Saturday. That’s why I turned it down.
JWan: Ugh! This is crazy.
SB: Professor Chae….
Songhwa: I told them we’d find another time when everybody’s available.
JWan wanted to talk to Songhwa but was distracted by IJ. Sheesh. This dude is such an attention-seeker.
Instead of congratulating Songhwa, IJ made this moment all about him. (He did this too in Songhwa’s car when JW was complaining about the middle seat.)
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JWan: (asking him) What are you doing?
IJ: I made a statue of Songhwa.
Songhwa: (laughing) What? Seriously? Is that me?
IJ: Yes. Next time, it’ll be a bronze one.
Songhwa: Forget it. I’m off.
4. The mother of the violinist approved of Songhwa.
I understand why SeonBin was deeply moved by Songhwa’s action. You see, she brought up her issue about the mother with Songhwa. But while she was trying to describe the mother’s disdain, Songhwa interrupted her to tell her to go to the ER (or someplace) where people were waiting for her. SB thought Songhwa was reproaching her for speaking ill of a VIP.
SB didn’t realize that Songhwa actually checked on her complaint by visiting the patient and mother on her own. And Songhwa was very sneaky. First, she didn’t introduce herself. Second, her professor’s card was turned around so her name wasn’t displayed.
In my opinion, Songhwa deliberately concealed her identity to the mother because she wanted them to assume that she was a resident.
This was her ID while she was with IJ and JW, shortly before going up to visit her patient.
Then, while giving her last consult of the evening. Her ID was covered because she was pulling onto her doctor’s jacket.
Then, after her identity was revealed. Her ID with her face was exposed.
I think she wanted to make a point here she and her residents were one team.
Songhwa: (after describing the procedure) You must be very nervous.
Violinist: Yes.
Songhwa: My team is very experienced, and we’ll be fully prepared so don’t worry.
Mother: Doctor. I know the hospital director very well. Are you well versed in this type of tumor and how to treat it? I’ve many questions about it and I’d like to speak to someone who’s more knowledgeable and can give us an in-depth explanation. When will the professor be here and go over it with us? Professor Chae Songhwa. The surgery is tomorrow. Shouldn’t we go over everything with us the day before the surgery?
This is actually a fair demand. They’re paying VIP prices to get VIP treatment and VIP services. Of course, she expected the VIP professor to be there for consultation – at the very least — on the night before the surgery. However, Songhwa’s point here is that all members of her team are VIP, too. From the nurses to the resident Seonbin to the fellow Seokmin, they’re all VIP medical staff. That’s why she reminded the mother, in her usual gentle way, that all residents were a trusted member of her team.
This is a “villain” moment of course.
Songhwa: All residents are neurosurgeons, too.
Songhwa: (continuing) They studied this field for almost or over ten years. They have all the necessary medical knowledge, and they actually knew more about the patients than she did. So they would be able to answer any of their questions.
And note here: she was seeking the spotlight. She was actually throwing the spotlight on her resident SeonBin.
With these choice words, the mother was properly shamed. Without being abrasive or showing off her superiority, Songhwa got her message across that her team deserve the same respect given to her.
After that, she made it a point to mention the residents’ tasks in her updates to the parents. She reported that “a resident doctor is wrapping up the surgery at that moment.”
Then, in the ICU recovery room, she told the mother that “our residents will monitor [the patient] thoroughly.”
It wasn’t only her skillset that impressed the mother but also her humility. She impressed the mother so much that the mother approved of her as a potential daughter-in-law. She was definitely not a geezer in the eyes of the violinist’s mom.
So who’s a geezer here?
Jang. Hahaha.
Resident: Good morning, Dr. Jang.
Jang: Nice, right on time.
Resident: I’m five minutes early. I didn’t expect there to be a line already. Why is everybody here at the crack of dawn?
Jang: I’d call this “morning.” It’s five to seven.
See a geezer in action? 🙂
It’s too funny how this director and writer try to contrast the two characters. I pointed this out to you all before. I said that Songhwa is the complete antithesis of Jang. I’d have to be blind not to see how diametrically opposite they were, when the director and writer kept on pushing the differences.
Jang is a foil.
Her weaknesses and shortcomings make Songhwa’s good qualities noticeable.
For instance, Songhwa wasn’t shy to go after the guy she liked even though he was inside the shed with three other guys. In contrast, Jang hounded IkJun to intercede for her and joined a tasteless, gossip-y session with Bong.
Also, Songhwa showed true compassion to her patients while Jang was Ms. “Did you give chest compression?”
And for those complaining about their age difference (rolling eyes emoji here) remember that SongHwa inspired the twins to become doctors because of the care and kindness she showed during their mother’s hospitalization. That time, Songhwa was only a junior doctor like Jang.
More importantly, Songhwa endured her secret in silence all these years. Unlike Jang, she didn’t break down and begged JW to quit the priesthood. (Oh the drama!) A couple of times, she wanted to talk to him about it. But both times, she held her tongue out of respect for JW’s decision-making process.
Songhwa is the prize catch, and Jang is the booby prize.
To me, JW ending up with Jang isn’t any better than Chilbong ending up with no one in Reply 1994.
source: Songhwa’s first love?
So add being a geezer here to Jang’s qualities. Jang is a geezer while Songhwa is a villain.
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A note on the Songhwa’s tics.
A few of the Flower Gardeners have noted Songhwa’s idiosyncrasy. Good job! You spared me from writing about this.
I just have to mentioned that it likely started in Episode 10 when IJ indirectly proposed to her over breakfast. He made her feel uncomfortable.
She also did it when he proposed to her in Jongno.
Here are the other times in this Episode 2 when she touched her glasses with right hand.
After she identified herself as Professor Chae Songhwa and the mother said that she looked so young she could have passed off as a resident.
When SB revealed the news about the interview.
And when the mother was setting up a date for Songhwa with her son.
What does this mean for Flower Gardeners? It meant she wasn’t as comfortable as she appeared to be during JW’s announcement.
JW: I’m seeing Gyeo-ul.
IJ: So am I. I saw her yesterday and today too. I see her every day.
Note: Look at SH’s face. He wasn’t surprised to hear of JW’s news but he tightened his lips and his eyes briefly looked at Songhwa. If our theory is correct the Songhwa had revealed her crush to him, then it would make sense that he would look at her to gauge her reaction to JW’s dating news.
JW: No I mean that we’re dating.
Everybody: (silence)
JW: It’s been a month.
JWan: Is that why you decided to stay?
JW: That was one of the biggest reasons.
Songhwa: I’m so happy for you. (touching glasses) I always thought you’d make a good couple.
JW: Thanks. (looking at IJ) Yah!
IJ: Don’t mind me. I’m just happy for you. You made the right decision. No one can be happier than I am right now.
SH: I already knew because my mom told me last week.
JWan: You’re very discreet.
JW: Hey, how does your mother know?
SH: Your mother probably told her. I didn’t know who, though.
lol. If they had been playing Mafia, it’d be a breeze guessing who the villains were: Songhwa and IJ.
They were both lying. Songhwa was lying when she said they’d make a good couple. She hadn’t met JW and Jang in action together so how would she know. And IJ was overreacting.
I guess, this is the fourth definition of “villain” for Songhwa.
@packmule3, I’m very interested to see how this ‘villain-ness’ develops. The mafia game metaphor made me laugh. Thanks for the post.
A good analysis a good reading, as usual @PML3
I was scrolling through twitter and as you said, SHwa is already their villain. Some even cursed her to have a karma for rejecting Ik Jun. I can’t imagine the uproar later when there is a change of course in the lovelines. 😀
As for IkJun’s version of villain, here it is
https://i.postimg.cc/zvCwSZYG/Villain-Shwa2.gif
😂. And don’t forget her “plaster tats (tattoos)”. Her badge of honor. She’s a bad girl. 😂. She even learnt to swear in S1. 😯.
“Really?” 🤣🤣🤣 I am crackling with this gif and that Jang is a GEEZER made my crackling even louder. Oh my, PG, the foolishness that is you. Looking forward to more Shwa, the Villainess in action! Such a cool and inspiring character! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Thank you Packmule3!
I have stick-on tattoos so I didn’t comment about her plaster tats.
I used the stick-on ones for biker days. Didn’t want tattoos but I had to look the part. 😂😂
as always, thanks @pm3 for this insightful notes.
songhwa embodies all these definitions of being a villian. i am all for songhwa being the greatest villian.
thanks for the still cuts on the strawberry eating session, these are the reactions/cues i missed from songhwa and seokhyeong. the touching the glasses thing – ill be keeping tabs from now on.
also, again, not pitting these two ladies with each other, but if i had to, if songhwa’s not the one you are trying to emulate, then something’s definitely wrong with you.
Love this post about Song Hwa, @PM3. She is a rock star (with “tattoos” to boot)! She was stellar in this episode – it hilited all the traits why she is admirable. Top neuro surgeon who is a woman, a empathic doctor, leader and role model, and team player who practices inclusivity, a great friend and a person who gives back (thru DLL or MSL).
I’m using “villain” with tongue-in-cheek because she is my example of a nice girl coming first.
and as for jeongwon, if i were him, i would be with someone who supports my plans (working hard to turn DLL to reality), rather than crashing them (stay with me instead of God).
so with this fourth definition of “villian”, both songhwa and YYS are the mafias. 😉
@packmule3 yeah no permanent ink. Just fake ones will do. 😂
It’s all make sense with the mafia game. the one who could lie, fool others and not to get caught till the very end is the winner. Though winter is still in the air, I am more and more optimist, the winter will be gone, soon ! 😀
Thank you for this post @packmule3 😍
SHwa being villain was only the other words of SHwa made us fell in love with her again.
Anyway you seems in sync with Netflix’s swoon, they posted this today:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQuTLa1h9VL/?utm_medium=share_sheet
😂😂😂
But I think they have to see this post to understand more about her intention 😂
And how can you spot Jang is the geezer? It’s right on point 🤣🤭
Sometimes senior residents put on seniority more than the professors, it happened in my country too.
@packmule3, wonder f ul post–huge kudos to you for touching all the bases. Songhwa is a phenomenal fol3 model who gives so much. In contrast, Jang comes across as mean, petty, manipulative, greedy, slovenly. I have zero clue as to why PaBo finds her attractive. I guess we’ll find out. My YouTube feed showed a doctors’ meeting with lots of male doctors, older and younger including IJ with Jang sitting at the end of the table with what looks like yellow notebooks in front of the participants. It was not subbed so I have no idea what was going on. In the end, PaBo walks in. I’m wondering whether it’s a disciplinary conference where Jang’s work is suspect. You don’t see her expression until the end and it’s her usual blah self. My wishful thinking is that this is the first of several errors on her part. PaBo looked like he was there to support her. This video kept it unclear. I wish I had subtitles for it. Given my status as a FG, this could be wishful thinking on my part. I hope other BOD contributors can shed light on this.
And not to belabor the point, I do think that the Jang character and actor doesn’t get a lot to do except for being a contrast to Songhwa. I think the WG contingent doesn’t see this and are projecting their hopes onto ugly duckling Jang. Jang is just too sour to be any of the Disney princesses (plucky young women who overcome adversity and eventually become as physically beautiful as they are inside). I am also insulting the ugly duckling here. She seems to be the strawman for being a bad doctor. A pejorative for bad doctors is that they’re Double o privates, as in James Bond-.licensed to kill.i hope Shin/Lee doesn’t go that far.
Thanks @packmule3 for the insighful villian analysis.
Hope SW is referring to PG when she said ‘i like u’ in the last trailer. Looking fwd to this revelation in 2night ep3.
Thank you pm3 🥰
I hope seokhyeong can comfort shwa when she has hard time.
Seokhyeong respect shwa answer, not seeking her attention and make her comfortable.
Thanks for the breakdown and insights! No doubt SHwa will be successful in her pursuit of villainhood and become the supreme villain of Yulje Hospital!
The Korean word that was translated to “geezer” is 꼰대. I’m not familiar with the word so I looked it up.
Kkondae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkondae
Kkondae is an expression used in South Korea to describe a condescending person. The slang noun kkondae was originally used by students and teenagers to refer to older people such as fathers and teachers.[1] Recently, however, the word has been used to refer to a boss or an older person who does so-called kkondae-jil (acting like a kkondae, in the Korean language), that forces the former’s outdated way of thinking onto another person.
From Namuwiki: https://namu.wiki/w/%EA%BC%B0%EB%8C%80 (Google translated from Korean)
A slang term for the elderly, older generations, or teachers. Literally, it is a word used to demean people who have an authoritarian mindset regardless of their age. In English, it can be translated as has-been, fogey, or square, but there are also attempts to use ‘kkondae’ as it is as a word to refer to ‘old people who treat others rudely’.[1] # The act of bravado can be expressed as an adjective like ‘bossy’. ‘Curmudgeon’ is a word with a similar meaning. In 2019, on the Western web, it is also called ‘Boomer’, which is derived from the OK Boomer meme.
Thanks @pm3, such a comprehensive interpretation on Songhwa’s road as a “villain”😁
I also agree that they are really comparing Jang with Songhwa in each ep and of course Songhwa wins by default!
Like @bulmagoku mentioned, i also saw on twitter how some people criticized Songhwa for rejecting Ikjun. It seems like they can’t appreciate her choice, and figured that since Ikjun is so nice and in love, she should have the same feelings. That is not how it works in real life.
I also see some people irritated at her for not introducing herself as the professor because it seems unprofessional. I agree with what @pm3 said that it is actually a classy way for her to send the message that her team are VIPs too and need to be appreciated. On the other hand, i think she is also trying to see if Seonbin’s complaints are valid… by confirming it herself. Some seniors would shrug the complain off because it won’t apply to them, but she is trying to see for herself if the mother is as rude as Seonbin said. It’s amazing to see how she tries to study what happened instead of making snap decisions like what Jang did when she chased at the abusive dad.
One of the thing i really appreciate from the writer’s work is their clever way to foreshadow the ending. I can’t help but think Songhwa labelling herself as a villain is similar to when Junghwan’s mom tried to get a reading on his son’s future. I remember that the woman said “the younger one will do fine on his own” and it is a clear sign that in the end, he won’t end up with Deoksun. Like that… songhwa’s road as a villain will be when she gets in the way of wintergarden. 😂
I like SHwa’s expression when she says she wants to be the greatest villain in the hospital.
@packmule3, your fake tattoo comment cracks me up. 😆
@royangi thanks for looking the term up. It is more obvious then that the weezer in fact is Jang based on the way she acted in the cafetaria. 😂😂😂
I am a sucker for character development, and at first i really wanted to like her… just like how i warm up to Bora’s character in reply 1988, but her unlike Bora, Jang’s lack of growth is undeniable. echoing what @OAL said, it seems like the only purpose of Jang’s character is to make a contrasting comparison with songhwa.
Thanks for another great write-up, @pm3. @royangi thanks to you too for elaborating on the Korean term used, I was looking for it since S2E1 aired. So I think based on what that word means in Korean, “cool and hip” is probably what SHwa was going for, although I don’t for a second believe that she wouldn’t have cross-checked a dictionary for the real meaning in all this time.
OMG the screencaps for the dating reveal – SH actually looked at SHwa first, I did not notice that omgomgomgomg Could it be that he knows too? All their reactions matched ours here at BoD lol Cool, superficial and fake, just like the lies PG was spouting (so was SHwa, now that I look back at the scene).
About fame – SHwa is the best neurosurgeon in Korea, PG is one of only 48 peds surgeons in the country (we know from S1), and IJ is a “leading” transplant surgeon. I would like to know where the other two stand (all 5 of them seem to be the best in their respective fields). I’m waiting for a FG joint interview for DLL patiently 😇
Also, I had made a note of this elsewhere – SHwa being a leading brain surgeon indicates that she is an expert in brain-related matters, while a peds doctor is required to have a lot of heart and empathy to deal with infants and kids. This pair, thus, is a sublime blend of the “head and the heart”. On the surface, one could argue that JWan is a cardio surgeon and therefore is a better fit for the “heart” part of the phrase, but then again, subtlety is the forte of ShinLee, so they’ve indirectly casted JWon as the one to exercise “heart-related hacks” on a more regular basis than JWan, and nurturing an innate sense of empathy among the lacking five. That is why FG works so well – head and the heart, that is the mantra that works best for a long-lasting relationship.
thanks as usual, @packmule3! I just want to say that I was was just casually reading your post (listening to my Spotify in the background), breezing along with the flow of your reasoning (and completely agreeing with you), but I totally guffawed at the part where you wrote “So who’s a geezer here? Jang. Hahahaha.” That caught me off guard. LOL.
Thanks, too, to all who discussed SHwa’s tics. I wear glasses when I’m out, so pushing them up closer to my eyes is both recurrent and insignificant to me. I didn’t pay attention to SHwa doing this; I probably subconsciously assumed those actions were meaningless. Thanks for highlighting these tics and explaining how they likely relate to the plot. 🙂
@Sasa13, re: SHwa introducing herself to the VIP violinist and mom, it confused me, too. Two years back, I had to be confined at the hospital for a week for dengue fever, and I remember that when doctors (consultants and/or residents) would check in on me, they always introduced themselves to me and my guardian the first time. I will just imagine that in the show’s case, maybe SHwa just introduced herself very quickly only by her surname, and that the mom and patient didn’t pay attention to her because they judged her too young-looking to be the actual doctor leading the surgical team.
I am also a fan of character development, and hope that they develop Jang’s improvement, too. (But it’s fine for me, too, if they don’t. LOL. I will also not mind if Jang’s sole purpose in the show is just to serve as a foil for SHwa. Haha.) I guess the difference between her and Reply 1988’s Bora is that it was implied/shown that, right from the start, Bora’s heart was in the right place. She was a good person beneath that bossy, crazy alpha personality. With Jang, it seems like she’s _still_ working towards putting her heart in the right place. Heh heh heh.
(Didn’t get until now that the fortune teller foreshadowed JungHwan’s fate. gasp! 🙂 )
@Sasa13, At the beginning 2hen Jang removed the maggots from the patient, I thought I’d like her. I thought they’d make her a quirky, lovable character. No such luck. She was made to be insensitive. There is an English expression-like a bull in a China shop-that’s Jang-she breaks and damages a lot. She coesn’t listen to her patients. Pain and discomfort can be signs of serious health problems. The patients with 5he lung exercisers were not heard. A stomach ache in a surgery patient could be a sign of a bleed. And, given the timeliness, she’s been a resident for at o east a year.There has been no real character development. 8t appears that we are not going to get any. Our winter gardeners are being poised to be very disappointed. I also believe that her character is not ethical-taking the cake and the gift against hospital policy and when I sense she knows she wronged 5he grieving mother. My guess is that she either cut corners, failed to follow up on a procedure or made a big mistake treating the sick child. I am also thinking that she covered up 2hatever she did and falsified the medical chart. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t something mentioned about her chart entries in a previous episode? Maybe Songhwa will help discover the cover up enhancing her position as a villain to Jang. Now wouldn’t that be poetic justice.
@Sasa13 I got so confused when the fortune teller told DS’s mom to change her (DS) name 😂. Imagine having to do that so late in life. Having to explain that to your friends etc. I thought it was hilarious.
@OAL and that perma frown face doesn’t help either. No matter how hard I tried, I just couldn’t like her
@nrllee speaking of Reply 1988, it feels like the history repeats itself. Some people, WGers and IKSong obviously couldn’t accept/digest/ think it’s impossible for FG because they have brother/sister vibes 😂😆.
Thank you for this very insightful post @packmule3. I found myself agreeing to every point while reading.
@Sasa13 I too am waiting for that moment when I’ll finally like Jang’s character because of her character development. One season down however, and I still cannot seem to like her. Whatever plus points she got in season one seemed to go down the drain for me when she made that selfish request in ep 12. As PG said in s1, she’s not my cup of tea. Lol.
SW truly being a ‘villain’ in the show will probably make her as my favorite villain 😉
I am so glad that I meet a lot of sane people here.
Unlike the real people that met in my daily life.. most of them just mesmerized by this Jang character. I just couldn’t digest this. I almost thought that I was the crazy one.. lol..
I’m agree with @Sasa13 and @OAL, I also think that Jang character is created merely for a comparison of SHwa.
@Packmule3, thank you for the analysis on villain definition of Shwa. Especially for the expression of Shwa touching her glasses in several scenes when the uncomfortable situation happened.
I did the slow motion and repeat the scenes several times when JWon told his besties about his relationship with maggot. I focused on Shwa and had this on my mind “why did she smile? why did she look down? When did she see Jang and Jwon together? Why did she say that they would make a good couple, based on what situation?”
On a side note, I remembered that I watched this western TV series couple years ago, called Lie To Me. The lead male is an expert in interpreting microexpression of people. I was amazed by that skill, and I think maybe we all could learn this skill by watching HP.. We have to focus on their microexpression!! hahaha
@moonstar512, on microexpressions, I wonder how much the actors know about their lovelines and endgames. With Reply 1988, I read somewhere before that Hyeri (DeokSun) was only told about the husband’s identity late in the season so that her acting wouldn’t be influenced.
Like in the strawberry scene, I wonder if the actors were expressly directed to act hyper / possessive (IJ) or to be a class act and but seem as though one is thinking something else but not saying it (SHwa)?
If I remember right, SHwa looked down at one point during the news-reveal and half-grinned / half-nodded to herself as though processing/accepting the news? I wonder if she was instructed to do that. Or maybe the instructions were very action-specific, like “touch your glasses here; nod here”, so they still don’t have a clue on the general arc. 🙂
@royanagi, thank you for researching the geezer word used. It also seems to mean that the person is patronising, so that helps me to understand SHwa’s point of view. Haha. Okay, Boomer seems like something my daughter would say to me. 🤔😆
@pandamilktea the reply series reminded me a lot with hospital playlist in a way that the crumbs are everywhere and we need to pick up on them.
That’s the ultimate hint of why i choose to stay to the flowergarden ship actually, because songhwa initiated the “let’s get married” and usually couples with marriage jokes ended up together 💕💕
I agree with what @bulmagoku said about WGers/IkSong ended up like the sinking ship in reply 1988. They forgot that the couples are not as straightforward as it appears, just like how Deoksun first had a crush with Sunwoo, contemplated to like Junghwan even though her heart is always for Taek.
@OAL @Jwave at this point i am getting tired of her character, and it doesn’t even have anything to do with the fact she’s dating PG. professionally, like you both and others have mentioned, as a doctor she lack the empathy and compassion. Personally, she’s just self-serving. The most obvious one is of course when she asked PG to chose her over god. That’s not how it works and it is so disrespectful to his religion. I can’t even pinpoint a time when she’s doing something nice for others, other than when she gave Minha a meal. Even during that time, if i remember correctly, she cannot comfort her own friend who is clearly stressed.
@nrllee that part was so funny!!! I don’t know if it is common in Korea, but in my country (Indonesia) we also have an old belief to change a kid’s name if it’s too long. The reason is the lengthy name will be too heavy and the kid will be sick because they’ll be burdened by the name 😅😅
@moonstar512 yes that’s a good idea. I also need to replay the scene a few times to caught the discomfort and lie from Songhwa. I’m glad this blog has identified one of the “tell” for when she’s lying/uncomfortable by pushing her glasses and i will look into it for future eps!
I’d typed up a comment before and posted it, but it doesn’t seem to show up here so I’ll write it again 🙂
Thanks again for the brilliant write-up @pm3, and also @royangi for elaborating on the Korean equivalent of the word “geezer” that I have been on the look out for since S2E1 aired. From the definition that you have shared, it could be that SHwa was going for “cool and hip”, but I don’t for a second believe that she wouldn’t have consulted a dictionary for its actual meaning in all this time.
About the dating reveal – OMG SH actually looked at SHwa first, I didn’t notice that before omgomgomgomgomgomg Do you guys think he knows how SHwa feels/felt about JWon? Their reaction to the reveal was underwhelming at best, I thought at least JWan will be more enthusiastic, given how close they both are, but nope, he had one of the colder responses I felt. Dare I say that they 3/4 of them echoed our reactions here in BoD – cool, superficial and fake, just like the lies JWon was spouting (and SHwa too, now that I look back).
For now, we know: JWon is one of only 48 peds surgeons in the country, SHwa is the best/top 10 neurosurgeon in the country, IJ is a “leading” transplant surgeon. Will we learn where the other two stand? Although, I’m sure that they too are the very best in their respective fields.
I also noted this elsewhere – SHwa is the best neurosurgeon, meaning that she is an expert in brain/head-related issues. Peds doctors need to have a lot of heart and empathy to deal with infants and kids. This is JWon. They form a sublime pairing to fit the “the heart and the head” motif that is so often used in Literature to depict long-lasting romantic relationships. One could argue that JWan being a cardio surgeon fits the “heart” part of the phrase better, but we know that ShinLee only work with subtlety and subtexts, and so they have indirectly cast JWon as the doctor that nurtures an innate sense of empathy and practices “heart-related hacks” on a daily basis when compared to JWan. There is a reason why FG were cast in their respective specialities – to later suit their overarching romance arcs.
@dashmann1010 excellent observation. For that announcement, I had to repeat the scene several times as well, hoping to get details or catch a glimpse of Shwa’s face. But No.
Shwa looks suspiciously cool about it. Initially she was shocked but the camera directly show us Ik Jun’s face. (I wonder if later Shin PD will show us the detailed of Shwa’s face during this scene just like beach scene in Reply 1988 where Take protected Deok-Sun from the ball)
and there are several second when she didn’t look at PaBo, rather she looked down, just nod her head several times, smiling before saying, “I’m so happy for you” and “I always thought you’d make a good couple” – For me this is really odd.
Since when and based on what Shwa thought they’d make a good couple ? Based on their appearance ? their look ? their compatible MBTI test ?
That nod, for me is her way to digest that news, fast, so she can come up with supportive BFF’s sentences.
And JWan reaction was odd too. Like you said, as a house mate, JWan was oddly reacting. He is the one who always bitching and suspecting something around his friends. He suspected JWon taking a private loan before. So we expected him to exclaim, sooooo that’s what this is all about. But No. He just looked at Jwon, a bit shocked, and continue eating strawberries.
@Sasa13 😈😈
The fortune-telling in Reply 1988?!
Can you believe that the JungHwan fans in soompi cursed at me for writing that it was a foreshadowing and that he wouldn’t be the endgame?!
Seriously, how else could “the younger one will do fine on his own,” be interpreted? 🤦♀️ It was their fangirling mind that clouded their reasoning.
And same thing here. Songhwa will get JW in the end. The water jug scene in Season 1 was THE equivalent of the fortune teller scene.
I don’t check Twitteratti for Hospital Playlist so I don’t know what they’re talking about. I don’t have a FOMO disease (fear of missing out) just a JOMO (joy of missing out).
But I could see why the IkJun fans would get mad at Songhwa. One of their representatives was here trashing the director. I said that it was on her to read between the lines.
Like this VIP thing. It was obvious to me what Songhwa was trying to accomplish there. No introduction + hidden ID = confirmation of SB’s complaints.
She was being a “villain.” She didn’t wear a mask but she went incognito to find out the truth. 😂😂
And yes, she’ll be the ultimate villain when she “steals” JW from Jang. And the Jang fans shouldn’t complain either. Remember Jang STOLE JW from God? That’s karma for Jang, and turnabout is fair play.
@packmule3 you still amaze me with your thought and analysis this drama. You truly hidden gem in this group. Btw i also found during JWon’s dad passed away there were DDL call for Jwon and when 3 of them mention they’re shocked because of the call and making fun with their specialist. Like Jwan said it makes him miscariage and SH say it make him got heart attack and Jwon say that it make him got a headache while Song Hwa no need to say something but as we can see Song Hwa suddenly looking at Uju and i’m interpreted to be mention to Jwon speciaist is pediatric surgery. So for me actually they just meant for each other. Hope you guys understood what i’m saying. Sorry for my english 😂
What the heck? Brother-sister vibes?
Then what about my ship then: the IkJun + Jang ship, “The Icky”? They said they have the father-daughter vibes, but I say it’s a ship…a relationship? 😂😂😂
I think I’m the only on this ship though. 😈
I believe the Songhwa actress is smart enough to know something is up after that “JW, let’s get married” joke.
But Hyeri? Bless her heart. 😂 She’s not a bright one, is she? She was already dating the Junghwan actor that time. Ugh. That’s why it was messy during the post-show interviews. She and the actor really thought their characters were going to end up together; that’s why they cried (or were very emotional), according to their press release, on their last shoot.
Their last shoot was the scene at the restaurant where JH fake-proposed and left the ring.
Brava, @royangi! You win the medal! 🏅
Thanks for the research. So it’s Kkondae for condescending attitude.
Yes, it fits Jang’s attitude then when she told the resident that it wasn’t the “crack” of dawn because it was 7am already. For her, 7am is morning time. She’s a hardworking doctor. Hmmph!
@pml3, what??? Deok-Sun actress cried because she didn’t end up with JungPal? 😂😂😂 That’s hilarious. I didn’t know about that. I just really enjoy R88 but I don’t follow trivias after that. But it means even the actors didn’t know before hand where they would end up by the end. That’s great!
@BulmaGoku, there was even one article/interview — and I’ve just re-checked now to make sure I remembered right — where the JungHwan actor said he wasn’t happy about his ending. LOL.
It stuck to me because I remember rolling my eyes when I first read that.
Oh these kids! *said in a geezer way* 😂
@dashman1010 I like what you shared about the heart and head motif. Indeed, PG and SW complement each other. They each have their own strengths as a person and as a doctor, and as a team, they are even better. With the DLL project, we can see that their priorities and desire to help others are aligned.
@packmule3 Oohh. Since some people say that Jang stole PG from God, then our “villain” SW will “steal” PG from Jang leading the way for PG to return to God (since both share the same faith, and a person can serve God even when in a relationship). And I think that kind of relationship is better than anything else.
@Bulmagoku,
Don’t quote me on that though. @Hafunohane is probably the best person to consult because she was captain of the Taectanic.
But I do remember the JH fans making a big stink bec of the press release by the actor. Instead of calming them down, he made it sound as if his character was robbed of a happy ending at the last minute, thus flaming the fans’ anger and suspicions that the script was changed in the final episode.
I said no. Definitely not. The clues and hints were there from the beginning.
He’s an idiot, that actor.
There was a reason the director didn’t tell them the ending: so their acting wouldn’t be compromised. But what did he and Hyeri do? Date in secret. 🤦♀️ No wonder he was all upset that his character didn’t get the girl.
@pandamilktea…jeeezzzz the drama continued outside…🥴🥴
@jwave i really don’t get why some people found that Jang’s “stay-by-my-side-intead-GOD lament romantic. Tshhhh 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
What could they find romantic in that pathetic plea??? 🤦🏽♀️
@pml3 noted. Basically i am only talking / comments about HP here and in Soompi shippers pardise with @nrllee. I managed a twitter account for a cultural project which I used sometimes to sniffing around but never write comment. But sometimes, I did leave comments in WGers and IkSong ers in Youtube, just to pissed them off 😂. My bad.😊
Yes, @Old American Lady, Jang is a foil for Songhwa. Perhaps the shippers have forgotten who the lead and the secondary characters are and have elevated Jang’s status to Songhwa’s level.
She’s a foil.
Aside from the geezer/villain trick I showed you, the professor’s card is another example of Jang serving as foil. The reason I even looked at Songhwa’s professor’s card was because of the coffee scene when Jang USED IkJun’s professor’s card to purchase coffee. I saw right away that Songhwa was the professor the VIP patient and mother were looking for, YET she didn’t play her “professor’s card” to show off who she was. She wanted to be incognito.
Jang on the other hand was only lent a professor’s card by IJ, but she had to go tell it others. Hahaha.
Jang: I have my professor’s card.
Resident: Really?
Jang: Yes, you should have come to GS too.
She greeted JWan and JW and finished paying the drinks.
Resident: Which professor’s card is it? It can’t be the chief’s.
JWan: (overhearing them) A professor’s card? (asking JW) Is it yours?
JW: No.
Jang: (volunteering the info) Professor Lee IkJun. I was on duty last night so he gave it to me to buy snacks.
JWan: Love’s in the air in GS.
See what happened? The card was taken away from her, and the guys racked up charges on it. In other words, she got her boss IJ into trouble.
Compare and contrast then to Songhwa.
Songhwa hid her professor’s card (it isn’t borrowed like Jang, lol), and she got her team member SeonBin out of trouble and into the spotlight where she rightly belonged.
As I said, Jang is a foil to Songhwa. 🙂
@BulmaGoku Ikr??!! I also don’t get how some people seem so proud about that fact and they even laud her for saying that and for actually getting the guy. She was only thinking about herself and did not even consider how important PG’s faith is to him. As a Christian myself, I find her statement offensive. I don’t think I can be with someone who’ll make me choose between him and God. I mean, they are totally on a different level – incomparable. And to think that PG accepted her even after that was just so frustrating. PG really need to redeem himself back.
Gosh @pm3 even if i watched this ep for 3x i didn’t notice the hidden ID of songhwa! My jaw dropped when i read that haha Truly you have an eagle eye. Thank you for the wonderful and awe-mazing observation 💖💖💖 i also read from the comments from alfresco i think? somebody mentioned that skhyung glimpse at shwa when PG announced his dating news. I also felt odd that shwa said those they look good as a couple. Yeah right ddonghwa. The only interaction she has with jang was that scene of water jug and i saw you posted the gif (cr.bulmagoku) that they just casually nod at each other. But when fellow fgers mentioned she fixed her glasses that’s when i saw her being uncomfortable. Also jwan, he doesn’t give enough reaction haha not a big deal and doesn’t give a fvck. I will also echo what other mentioned here that jang’s character was jjst made to be the opposite of uri ddonghwa. And i don’t understand what made PG fall for jang. Jang the geezer hahaahha geez! Anyway, looks like they will break up someday so i’ll just be steady and slowly. Thank you again I had so much fun reading all your takes in ep2. 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪
@dashman1010 i like your take about sublime pairing of flowergarden to fit the “heart and the head” motif to depict long lasting relationship. They really do symbolize the heart and the head, i’m so happy i’m in this canoe with a lot of sane people here.
@packmule3 they said SHwa and PaBo were like the mirror of the twins 😂. Brother-sister vibes. That was how they justified why they couldn’t be together. 🙄
WGrs are asking why there won’t be S3. 😂 I think it’s obvious? LeeShin made no promises because once FG is revealed and both Titanics sink, there will be far too many irate/dismayed fans? They’re going to be licking their wounds and wondering what hit them? Would they want a S3 where there could likely be FG babies? 😂.
I tried to warn them as best I could. They’re on their own now. I am sure they will rile LeeShin in the end for “bad writing” or “a twist for the sake of a twist”. Not a twist. We saw it coming. It’s been there right from the get go. The clues are littered everywhere.
Same here, @jwave. I found her “pick me, not God,” offensive but it was the writer/director that offended me more because THEY were the ones who thought it was a good idea. As I posted in one of the Throwback Thursday articles, there’s something anti-Christian/anti-Catholic about their worldview. They made jokes at the expense of the Church or reinforced stereotypes of the followers of the religion they know nothing about.
Examples:
The priest/hyung slipping a note to go to a chicken place in the confessional box.
JW eating ice cream (?) in the church, in front of the crucifix.
One of the brothers asking money to buy more wine.
Like, really???
So yeah, that whole “pick me, not God” was an offensive thing to say. But it was par for the course. Grrr.
@011sn, 🙂
I saw that Songhwa’s professor’s ID was hidden because I was looking at Jang’s BORROWED professor’s ID. I just explained to @Old American Lady but I’ll transfer it here. I was looking for Songhwa’s professor’s card because Jang was making quite a show of IkJun’s prof card. IJ only lent it to her for the night, but she acted as if it was an American Express Centurion card. I saw right away that Songhwa was the VIP professor whom the VIP patient and mother were waiting for. But Songhwa being Songhwa didn’t play her “professor’s card” to show off who she was. She wanted to be incognito.
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Jang on the other hand had to go tell it others. Hahaha.
Jang: I have my professor’s card.
Resident: Really?
Jang: Yes, you should have come to GS too.
She greeted JWan and JW and finished paying the drinks.
Resident: Which professor’s card is it? It can’t be the chief’s.
JWan: (overhearing them) A professor’s card? (asking JW) Is it yours?
JW: No.
Jang: (volunteering the info) Professor Lee IkJun. I was on duty last night so he gave it to me to buy snacks.
JWan: Love’s in the air in GS.
See what happened? The card was taken away from her, and the guys racked up charges on it. In other words, she got her boss IJ into trouble.
Compare and contrast then to Songhwa. Songhwa hid her professor’s card (it isn’t borrowed like Jang, lol), and she got her team member SeonBin out of trouble and into the spotlight where she rightly belonged.
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I was waiting for SH to look at Songhwa during the confession because Songhwa told HIM when he confessed that she liked somebody else. If our guess is right that she had a crush on JW even way back in freshman year college, then he’d obviously look at her when JW confessed. Too bad, though, that we only got that nano-second. And the director used a shallow shot for that moment so the foreground (with IJ) was clear, but the background (with SH’s face) was blurry.
Also, re. Songhwa’s tic whenever she’s uncomfortable… if you rewatch the scene when she rejected IkJun (Ep 1), she didn’t touch her glasses. To me, that was an indication that the rejection was final. She wasn’t uncomfortable about her decision.
Re. Songhwa’s interaction with Jang. She knew *OF* Jang because:
a. the water jug incident
b. the IJ’s Darth Vader surgery in Episode 1
but as far as we could tell (ha! Maybe this sneaky director will give us a montage of the “secret” times Songhwa interacted with Jang??) she hadn’t seen Jang interact with JW.
Bu yes, Jang is the geezer. hahaha. You didn’t see that joke coming, right? You know I’ve a weird sense of humor.
FG have brother-sister vibes?!?! Oof, some people realllyy detest subtle storytelling. I cannot point out to ONE moment where they acted like brother and sister, I mean, at least put the right guy in that equation – it’s more JWan than JWon, and even then, they act a lot like how lifelong friends would. But I’m guessing that WG and Ik/Song shippers are probably teenage girls and don’t understand how longterm friendships work so it’s too much of an ask 🤷🏽♀️
I can’t believe Hyeri and Jungpal actor did THAT behind the scenes (flaming the fans I mean, not dating, that I was aware of). Keeping the script and storylines hidden from actors is a normal thing that happens even in Western TV shows, I guess that’s just how these things work, some teams are better at managing leaks than others, but everything is kept super confidential until actors film their scenes. I remember seeing this BTS video of the SunWoo actor finding out that his primary romance was going to be with BoRa (I think both actors are good friends off-screen), and he was soooooo shocked hahahahaha That was cute, and I think they did a great job.
@everyone about the head and the heart motif – I feel like this is as good a foretelling as how the writers premeditated that Taek will be a Baduk genius, so it was their way of establishing him as being the one to “build” a lasting relationship on the show. It’s not a chance thing, it is a ploy that ShinLee have conceived at the beginning of HP already that these two are meant to be.
@packmule3 You’re right. I remember reading your post about that and I do agree. I also can’t imagine how the writer/director can think that it’s okay for them to do that. It’s the aspect of the drama that sometimes makes me think twice about recommending HP to my friends. As much as I like the patient stories and the relationship of our lacking five, I don’t want others to think that the writer/director’s take on Christianity/Roman Catholicism is okay. Even until now, I can’t bear to rewatch that confession scene in ep 12 cause I still find it offensive everytime.
That’s why I am so thankful for this blog. Most people just agree with it and even find the confession romantic. It is comforting to know that I’m not the only one with a different opinion as the majority. It’s also nice how we don’t just accept everything that the writer/director give us. No matter how good of a show it is, we still have our logical reasoning in check, not losing rationality just because we are a fan of a certain character/actor/actress.
I also noticed that glance SH gave to SW. I think I mentioned it in the housekeeping thread. I looked at SH because among the friends, he knows a lot of secrets and he can definitely keep one. When I saw that he gave SW his first glance, it made me wonder if he knows something the others don’t. It also reminded me of that time in s1 ep2 when JWan gave PG the first glance when they were asked about a possible romance among them. @pm3’s explanation is highly plausible. If a guy’s rejected, chances are, he also knows who his biggest competitor is.
Now I’m going to pull out my “geezer” card, @Jwave….
The thing is, I’m older than many of these kdrama writers and directors so I’m not easily persuaded, influenced or impressed by their worldviews because I have mine, too. I assess them and their message/theme/pov/whatever given MY perspective of the world. Of course, there are cultural differences, and I’ve to make allowances for those. But overall, they must conform to MY standards, and not the other way around. That’s why I drop dramas that I don’t like. It’s a waste of *my* time to watch a kdrama writer & director try to convince me of something I know is inherently flawed thinking.
So I agree with you when you wrote, “No matter how good of a show it is, we still have our logical reasoning in check, not losing rationality just because we are a fan of a certain character/actor/actress.” That’s the adaptation of that famous Archimedes’ quote “Give me a place to stand on, and I’ll move the earth.” Of course, he was talking about the fulcrum. 🙂 But when you apply this quote to your life, then it’s your worldview, your philosophy, your perception of the world, or your logic that makes sense of the world. Fans are moved by their feelings, and become hysterical over the littlest things. It’s not good to follow the majority. 🙂
Not sure if this was already posted before but JWon also proposed to Song-hwa in one of their BTS videos. He inserted the “Marry Me” line after the take where he asked Song-hwa to take a seat to tell her about DLL. He just added it as a joke but that’s when I thought they may know something’s up:
https://ibb.co/CbFWbN1
@miracle23,
I’m transferring your post to the Alfresco Thread for now. 🙂
That brother-sister vibes 😂
Maybe they forgot that all Reply series’ main couple were on that brother-sister vibes (as they meant) too. They’ll fall on the same hole again 😂
Never ending bickering between YoonJae-SiWon R97, Najung who wanted to marry her “Oppa” R94, an older sister kinda things DeokSun did to Take R88.
But this is love at 40s, it was already underlined from the start.
Thanks @royangi for explaining the geezer definition 👏🏻
I watched the latest episode of Racket Boys, the coach said “this ahjussi” and it was written as “geezer” too on the translation.
Whoa and thanks for pointing SHwa didn’t touch her glasses during her rejection @packmule3, its her final decision yes. No doubt there.
Considering how SH would keep things on his own, his auto-glance to SHwa should mean something. He knew it from the start, no other guys ever ask him or were suspicious about FG, so he kept it all along. It’s a perfect formula that FGers noticed, from his meeting with IJ, not with his bestfriend PG, after SHwa rejected him.
He’s the one who looks like more to be a brother to SHwa.
🤭🤭🤭 okies @packmule3. Thank you.
@dashman1010 great observation on the head and heart! I do see that while both of them are warm and soft hearted Songhwa is reflected as someone who’s sensible and logical, while PG resembles the heart. As his mom said, he is delicate like a flower. He needs an anchor whose name ironically means Flower 😆😆
@pm3 i wished i find you when i was watching reply 1988!!! I was one of the v few people who loved Taek. All of my friends thing Junghwan deserved her just because he liked her first while in that series itself one of the parents said the hero will show up last. 🤭🤭 good catch on the abusive father incident. I agree it is also one of the foreshadowing!
Btw i’ve seen worse comments that said songhwa and ikjun were basically PG’s parents because they both “pushed” him to go after Jang (songhwa because she said winter is here) and that is why flowergarden will never happen🤣🤣🤣 quite ironic because if we see closely Ikjun was actually the one who is treated by Songhwa like he’s a man-child.
@jwave i agree with you. It is unfortunate that so many ppl view it as romantic and it also concerned me how the writers come up with that as a grand romantic gesture. I hope the reason behind it is to show how BAD of an example that is and it won’t last. The last thing we need is a disrespectful potrayal of love over religion. I love how you say we still need our own logical reasoning and not just go with the majority’s view.
I also noted your point on SH knowing Songhwa’s feeling. I think when SH said he already knows, Junwan said “you’re very discreet”, i can’t wait to learn more about what else he knows and kept quiet about😄😄
Just saw @miracle23 and @annp18 post and i agree with the two of you.
Good catch on PG’s addendum. I think PG might know about IJ’s feelings and assume Songhwa is happy with IJ as well. I forgot who said it in the housekeeping thread but someone said that PG might be jealous when he asked if Songhwa likes his joke.
While from her view, that is probably all that she sees from IJ. a funny friend. I remember when the actress describe the others, she said IJ is a good friend while PG is someone she can lean on. 🥰
As @annp18 said, since it is love at our 40s i imagine it’ll be less about the butterflies and more about the comfort and having someone you can count on.
@vkat i just saw that and i immediately freaked out! I think now that the series is going to end in s2, YYS and JMD knows already.
😂😂 Any word of wisdom is welcome @pm3 😊 I am learning so much in these discussions. Indeed, we should not be influenced of others just because that’s the majority. Being the majority does not necessarily mean that they are right – both in life, and in HP. Lol. We may be the minority, but we’ll keep paddling anyway.
@Miracle23 I think there’s a big possibility of IJ knowing who SW likes. Aside from that drinking session, a person also tends to notice and pay attention to a lot of things on someone they like. Just like as how you described SH observing PG and SW. But of course, SH’s definitely gonna keep quiet about it until someone brings it up.
@Sasa13 I am hoping with you that this is indeed a case of a bad example. One that should not be followed. Lol. I am also looking forward to more secrets from SH. I wanna know what he knows too 😏
@packmule3, I know Jang is said to be Buddhist and JWon is nicknamed Buddha by some colleagues. Perhaps some WGs think that means they can/should be together. I’m not too familiar with that religion so I looked it up. But I can’t recall any evidence that Jang has ben using the Buddhist teachings in her interactions with others. Among others, things like compassion, wisdom, mindfulness and ethics. If we had evidence that she acted faithfully to her religion, I could imagine that they might be complementary in some way despite different religions. As others have said, she is greedy and a geezer. Tsk.
@packmule3 as always thank you for the amazing post and especially on our lovely and admirable SHwa. I’m amazed by quite a number of times SHwa’s tic occurred in eps 2 and especially the scene whereby Seobin talked abt the interview I would have totally missed it. As mentioned by @pandamilktea I too wear glasses and I think if I didn’t come across this blog I wouldn’t have think that deep abt this action.
Yes I applaud SHwa’s way of handling the violinist mother and honestly too I only noticed that she deliberately didn’t introduce herself and it was very sly of her to do that. Additionally I loved that she constantly mention abt her residents the mindset of we rather than I and I cant help but point how this blog too have that as we have collaborative efforts in pointing out the clues in HP which have tons from obvious ones to the minuscule ones. I’m really glad to be part of this discussion!💕
I didn’t think that much abt Jang’s comment and funnily her being younger she became a geezer with that statement.
Lots of comments to catch up on! @packmule3 and others – glad to help with the definition for kkondae. It wasn’t too hard to find. When I rewatched the scene, I heard the word and plugged it into Google. Surprisingly, there was an entry for it in English language Wikipedia. After reading it, it did sound more and more like Jang haha.
@packmule3 I completely agree with your list. I genuinely don’t know how most HP viewers find Jang charming. I find her rude, emotionally stunted, and shallow. I think the main reason why I am a FG’er is because Songhwa and JW are each other’s constants. You can see that in this list. Songhwa is wise and patient; she shares the praise with the rest of the team; she puts patients in their place without being abrasive or rude; and she knows how to manage people. As I said in the ep2 housekeeping forum, FG’ers shouldn’t be concerned about Songhwa’s reaction. It’s not that she’s happy, it’s that she’s not worried about Jang. Her relationship with JW has withstood countless relationships, and it will withstand Jang too. Jang’s emotional immaturity ensures their relationship will not last long. JW needs a rock, not someone he needs to guide and teach. Jang should just stick to being his student.
Thanks, @Vkat! I’ve to save that pic somewhere for future reference. 🙂
One of the pleasures of HPL is that when the actors are working together, whether they are leads or supporting players, they are all acting and reacting. As our @pm3,@Welmaris,@nrllee qand so many BOD contributors have shown, we have to pay attention to the other actors in the scene. The Fab Five are such a well-oiled machine that each is contributing, even when they are not speaking. Thank you BOD for capturing these reactions to help understand the plot points going forward. Shin/Lee gives us so many clues and the reactions cannot be missed. No lazy actors here.
@pm3, please continue to speak truth to “power”, i.e, the WG mob. The WGs continue to view HPL superficially. They need to take a deep dive and they don’t. That’s their problem.
I understand how Catholics are offended by how their faith is depicted in this drama. I think the religion may be viewed as exotic to Koreans, although it is a large part of the Korean Christian community. I have seen my religion’s depiction in many series and have taken offense too. Religion is just a tricky business when depicted in fiction. If it weren’t such a huge plot point here, it could have been left out. At the very least, they didn’t have 5o do the comic relief stuff with Pablo’s siblings. Probably all that was needed is to show that all of his siblings went into Catholic religious orders. But this is not the first time Catholicism has been used in K film and drama. We have The Firey Priest, A Live So Beautiful, You’re Beautiful, etc. The big tropes in media, in general, is the priest 2ho has an affai4-Thorn Birds anyonez; nuns questioning their vows-The Nuns Story, pedophile priests-Doubt, cruel nuns-Phlomena and I can go on and on. Then 6ou have reverent depictions like The Bells of Saint Mary’s, The Song of Bernadette, Going My way, The Cardinal, generally with a cutesy Irish priest with a charming accent. What I think may cause offense is who is making the media. Italians are always making movies with a Catholic bent. The same goes for Spain and Mexico. This begs the question-are movies made by Catholics that criticize the religion just as offensive? I say this rhetorically. Beauty and offense are in the eye of the beholder. In the case of HPL, so much of the re.igious reference has been used for comic purposes and for shock value, that ican be viewed as offensive to the faithful.
@oldamericanlady Well said! They could have easily made the Catholic trope inoffensive. It is a growing trend in kdrama. I just finished Mine on Netflix and the nun is weak willed and eventually leaves the convent; I didn’t think that part was necessary. Why grow disillusioned and leave? Stay and grow from your painful experience.
@pm3 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪 for you noticing name tag and pointing out Jang as the geezer/kkondae. 🍪🍪🍪 for @royangi for kkondae
I’m so late to this thread and oh my, so many great comments! Thank you @packmule for this insightful post and all the contributors to this discussion!
Jang as THE geezer made me laugh out loud. I loved that!
(btw. even when Minha was showing her the two different treatments proposed by dr Yeom and SH for the pregnant woman, Jang jumped right into the geezer mode and said you cannot mess up the medical record like that. She always has to appear as a know-all)
@whykay91, I have a lot of dear friends and colleagues who are former religious. They all had sound reasons for leaving so I pass no judgment on them.
I am not a Christian but enjoy religious art and music. I was lucky to have visited the Vatican, the Vatican Museum, Notre Dame, Saint Chapelle and many other cathedrals. And I have attended Midnight Mass. From the perspective of artistic inspiration, the Catholic church has caused production of some of the most beautiful works, especially in western culture.
This is not an explanation, but a thought I have. The Christian religions have essentially become western constructs. K Culture, even in Eastern clothing has an Eastern sensibility. And Christianity has come to that country as a result of evangelism. What I’ve noticed in k dramas is a hybrid use of Confuscianism and Christianity. I also see it in the depictions of Protestants-for example, even in the Zombie Detective. My take on what may be causing offense is the culture clash between East and West. Any interpretation would inevitably cause offense to somebody. It’s a no win situation for the creators. but it doesn’t mean that those who find offense should remain silent. In the long run,this help to improve what we see.
Ohhh… I have to ponder about everyone’s points about the religious angles on this show.
I will admit that I didn’t generally take offense when I first watched HP episodes. (Catholic, here.) Like, the confessional/chicken scene, while I thought was initially strange, I was able to “rationalize” in my head, thinking that it was a special-to-JWon deal, given that theyre brothers, and JWon crying as his hyung listens over fried chicken was their thing.
I don’t know how much of the population in S. Korea is Catholic. When we visited Seoul on a holiday years back, I noticed, though, that it wasn’t difficult to hear Mass on Easter Sunday as there was Myeongdong Cathedral. (Majority of the church-goers were local Koreans, too, if I remember right.) Off the top of my head, I think the drama Start Up (Rosa was the grandmother there, too, right?) had Catholic characters, too. Grandma and Suzy were seen praying in church several times. So I guess, Catholicism in S. Korea is not too rare?? A minority, but not rare?
Anyway, the Jang/JWon confession scene _was_ cringey and offensive (for me). (I agree with @jwave that I personally wouldn’t want to be with someone who would ask me to choose between him and God.)
I want to “rationalize” it in my head
by thinking that the cringe was intentional on the part of the writer to associate additional flaws on Jang’s character.
But most likely it wasn’t written with that intention? 😬 Most likely it was just a dramatic, cliff-hanger scene between a woman and the man she likes who is contemplating to become a priest.
The Show isn’t as nuanced and sensitive and (struggling for words) … tender… in treating the Catholic (and Christian) faith, as, say… off the top of my head… the movie The Two Popes has. 🙂
But I guess I’ve seen much more offensive films (some Western shows (or books) do paint Catholicism/Christianity in a negative light, and sometimes with broad, insensitive, sensationalist strokes purely intended to generate hype –looking at you, Dan Brown 😒), so I dunno, maybe my bar is low, and HP is mild and generally inoffensive all things considered.
@Old American Lady, it is interesting to me that you found there to be a mixture of Confuscianism and Christianity in Kdramas. I always wonder what Korean Christians or Catholics think about the depiction of Christianity in Kdramas. Do they find it as offensive, or more, or less? I also wonder about how Christianity might be practiced in slightly varying ways in different countries.
For me, fangirl is not a Buddhist because:
1. The comment was thrown at her as assumption, not as a fact and she did not nod to it because she was too dumbfounded thinking about how to beat God;
2. She has every intention to fight against God for PG, feeling highly entitled *face palm*;
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3. Most importantly she never did practise its teaching especially in the humility and empathy department. Iirc, both ShinLee are Buddhist. So we can see them using the teaching, the concepts in Buddhism in tailoring their Main OTP and their stories.
Iirc, Taek, Yoonjae and PG were specifically identified as Buddha in the scripts. Meanwhile, JeHyuk (prison playbook) was shown to embrace its teaching and Trash (R94) was implied as one from his kindness and good deeds. Buddhism is a common and important element in ShinLee’s work. I don’t think they would link a geezer to Buddhism when she has nothing that reflects being a Buddhist in her bone.
She is just … a snob geezer. 🤷♀️
pk3 – wonderful article. It looks like my posts are not getting posted. Will have to see if this one will.
I think a lot of you have made comments that reflect what I think too, so I will not repeat them.
One thing I wanted to talk about is that SHwa is really a great teacher/ professor. I think because she models team work along with individual effort, all her team members are the same too. I recall when SM wanted Shwa to operate on a patient which he wanted to write a dissertation on and when Shwa found out the reason he was pushing for her to operate, she really laid the law and made him apologize to the patient. He learnt his mistake from that (it seems). For the operation on this violinst, he volunteered to come to assist Shwa because the one who was volunteering had a lot on his mind. He did that without SHwa not asking him or SB not telling him about it. During the operation, Shwa was really struggling trying to remove the tumor and was not able to do that. Even without being asked, he got his forcepts to hold that piece so that she could continue. Shwa looked at SM and smiled – appreciative of his effort during the surgery. SB was so flustered that Shwa wanted to include SB (who had to be in the ER) and SM (he had an exam that saturday) who assisted her during the surgery. Awesome boss!
HP is the 1st kdrama series from PDshin tat I watched. So happy tat I came across this blog, reading all your insightful comments, esp packmule3 introductory in each thread. HP is also the 1st drama tat I start to comment, and BOD is the 1st blog I participate in. I am still an apprentice here learning fr you guys. my apology can’t contribute much.
@ pandamilktea, I googled, according to a nov 2020 hanrock research poll, 28% of all south Koreans are christians (20% protestants, 8% catholic).
Agree @jwave and packmule3. No matter how good the show is, one shouldn’t lose her rationality cos of fanling.
In fact, I was impressed when I read packmule3 take on her S1 ep1 views abt PDshin antichristian/catholic worldviews. I was surprised with packmule3 courage, and boy I was so happy she wrote it cos that ep1 really misled viewers putting Catholics in bad light. Ep 12 was worst. PDshin should do his homework cos when a priest join his religion order, he did it purely out of his deep love for God, nothing else. He loves God so much that he is prepared to drop everything and join priesthood.
When PG confirm maggot as his reason for staying in s2 ep2, he has fallen from my grace, and I m waiting to see how he redemn himself.
Btw I m a catholic.
Thanks for this comprehensive analysis. I’m loving this stage on SHwa to her intent of being the villain, and I love the association of her being the villain if it were in a mafia game. Because really, who could be a better bad a*s than SHwa? She’s the most competent of all but got the most chill. She doesn’t need to shove on anyone’s faces what an accomplished doctor she is, the best in her field. Works hard in silence without the need for attention. And if being a villain is the road SHwa wants, I’m excited to see how it unfolds knowing this is the kind of woman who is sure of herself.. the wisest of them all.
Someone mentioned it on the thread about being a “geezer” in Korean slang meant someone who’s condescending, bossy or square. None of which describe SHwa even in the smallest sense. And I would agree strongly that it is Jang who perfectly embodies the “geezer”. And @packmule3 is right that the writer intentionally designed Jang as an antithesis for SHwa. SHwa is everything Maggot is not. Would anyone be convinced(even those hard-core WG’rs) that a “geezer” would be the ideal partner for the creator of DaddyLongLengs program? I don’t think so.
@sni75, thanks for the information on the Christian population in Korea! 🙂 Actually, while I was writing my earlier post, I was reminded of The Sound of Music (lol.) I was thinking that in The Sound of Music, Maria’s ultimate decision to marry, and to forego her religious vocation, was handled well, and tastefully. Like, it was clearly shown that becoming part of the religious order is not the only way can serve God — love of God can also be shown through married love and love of family and love of country etc. Meanwhile, here in HP, I felt Episode 12 didn’t handle JWon’s decision like that. And I agree with you — I found it off and out of the blue for JWon to just drop everything upon Jang’s confession. It’s out of character, considering his history and personality. And yeah, I think it was partly due to the less-nuanced handling of the Catholic faith on the part of the creators of the show. But I’m a closet optimist pretending to be realist :), and I hope they will be able to find some acceptable explanation for this out of character turn of events somewhere along this season. 🙂
@Miracle23, “snob geezer” is such a good description. Thank you.
Yup, I agree maria’s reason to leave the convent was done tastefully and handled well. But not tis HP. I knew PG will not become a priest from the start else he won’t be appearing in s2, and HP storyline is also abt the friendship chemistry between the lacking 5.
Wow… I’m late to join in this thread because of my unbearable works 🙁 Thank you @packmule3 for this Songhwa’s villain project, can’t wait for SHwa being villain in her love line (mean to get JWon). Also, I agree with the point of Jang is a geezer since she’s too stiff and immature
Hey everyone, long time no see. Hope you’re all doing well and enjoying all this sunshine! ☀️
I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, but Songhwa’s guard is definitely down around Ikjun now that she’s rejected him. In previous episodes, she physically avoided him so much it almost seemed like he had cooties (to be fair, she did wash his face in S1, but she was only obligated to do so because she was the only female in their group). She feels much more comfortable with him putting his arm around her and her wiping his face after eating ramen because she knows none of these acts will be misconstrued for anything romantic. She drew her line in the sand and meant it. Her rejection is final, similar to that of Seokhyung’s. Both men who went drinking that night suffered the same fate. I wouldn’t be surprised if S3 opened with Songhwa visiting Ikjun’s apartment and the lights go out 😂
Am thinking about episode 3 a lot. One theme was how to talk to patients and guardians and how not to. Our core group has great bedside manner and explains treatment and illnesses well in ways the patients and family understand. They are also technically proficient and have kept their skills sharp. 8n contrast, the senior surgeon w a s a complete horror. Even simple procedures harmed patients when performed by hin (even on his assemblyman golf buddy. Buddy should have gone with the residents.
Money maybe a theme in the dissolution of the WG relationship. My theory is that part of Jang’s attraction to PaBo is the fact that she knows, but is not letting onto the fact that he’s q hospital chaebol (Bong’s gossip group might have provided this information). PaBo gives the impression that he has money trouble, has Songhwa’s Old carthat she gifted him,
and has used money before strictly for DLL. Rosa’s property bequest and her discussion with PaBo, is not being done in a vacuum. I think it will be significant in a future episode. I also think Shin/Lee are trolling us by giving hope to the IJ/Seward ship at the coffee “date” between Songhwa and the violinists brother. And we are given the FG hope by how Songhwa has opened up DLL philanthropies.
I was not daunted by Jang and Pablo’s expressions of affection. The whole thing was as odd as the Christmas kiss. Both did not act their age. A,though I have no doubts about Paul’s feeimgs, I think Jang has a hidden agenda. Going forward I think I see two pathways to the end of the relationship-bad patient care and /or Jang’s ultimate love of money. Songhwa need not do anything-just be herself. 5his episode, to me, was setting up the moral framework of relationships going forward,let’s just say Shin/Lee were gernpminating the seeds here.
@AOL, you, me = same page on her hidden motive 🤝🤝🤝
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first thing first, as per @packmule comment that it could be because of my handle name ‘jeongwon’s flower’ that has made my comment tripping into spam, here after I change my handle into PGflower 😀
I found comment from both @aol and @miracle23 regarding Jang’s ‘hidden agenda’as interesting,,and I really look forward to see on how it played out, would shinlee go that path?
@aol mentioned that the hidden motive could be about money, and I couldn’t help but recalling the gang’s talk in the hospital garden about the villainous professor who’s going to marry a very kind and generous woman (she’s the hospital board members), I remember IJ’s or JW’s comment that ‘the lady is wonderful and kind, but has bad taste on man’, now I couldn’t shake my mind off that this could be foreshadowing (PG’s bad taste on woman, kekee), and Jang’s intention toward PG could be on the same route with that bad professor, hahaa,,it could be far reaching, but still it’s fun to see if that kind of traumatic experience will be PG’s wake up call for redeeming his character’s #villainsmile #alashonghwa :p
@PGflower, theorising is a fun exercise, no? 🙂 It keeps your mind active even if the theory fails. Good point you have there. ^^ That bits about the hospital board members. Now we have Shwa telling Seon Bin that PG is not the owner of Yulje. Will the rumor be spread now that Yulje has no owner? The villainess has thrown the ball to the bigger court and waited if anyone will take the bait. In this theory, I am seeing Shwa throwing out it out there to see a reaction from someone. What if the person realises PG is not the chaebol she was hoping for? Can she still be with him in long run? She knew he lived modestly, had no desire for material possession and she was looking rather disappointed with this bits of info. Why would she be disappointed if she applauded his philanthropic endeavors, if she was sincere in accepting his principles, interests and his very person? She is not beaming, she is sulking because despite being rich he is not materialistic. He does not care about money that way.
She was also surprised that PG accepted a free car from Shwa, no? Iirc, Minha stated that, of course, if she was him, she would not be materialistic too, because her family is super rich. And Bong nodded at this statement (re. S1 Ep. 4). In last ep. this fact was shown again, that PG does not care for material possession. He is willing to live on loans than taking up his mother’s inheritance He gave away his money and his inheritance to fund DLL. Then in S2 we have Shwa defied the general public’s assumption that PG owns Yulje and a rich chaebol heir. In her own word, he’s not. These lines were written for a specific reason. They are being reiterated again and again for a very specific reason.
The Board member’s daughter was the one who caught Prof. Cheon red-handed, yes? As for PG, let’s see how this play out. Will another family member bear witness? 🙂
Oh @Miracle23 and @packmule3, how do I ,ove your analysis. I ,over learning about Singhwa’s English use and the red herring of I !Ike You. Songhwa is so discreet. I am so hoping for required love. As they say at Catholic weddings-love is patient(not in the hospital sense) and Sonhwa is the epitome of patience. Her “confession” with the song title as per her translation, is phenomenally subtle. PaBo, in the throes of “love” seems clueless.
And Miracle23, thank you for fleshing out Jang’s so-called attraction to PaBo’s alleged status as hospital chaebol. I think Songhwa’s correction to PaBo’s status as a hospital owner is genuine. He has no interest in running the place. He wants to help the indigent get good medical care. His values are pure. What we see of Jang/Maggot is greed and manip7lation(although she’s a clumsy manipulator). Unless PaBo does a 180 turn around regarding money, the WG relationship is doomed. And PaBo is approaching 40, where his values are pretty much set. Jang, the geezer, although younger, also is set in her ways. She could not think of buying coffee or listening to grieving mom on her own. She only did it because her boyfriend suggested it. She also flunked the encounter by accepting gifts and preaching her interaction with an explanation of her bluntness in order to gain sympathy from the grieving mom. It felt like c a cover up for her b ad behavior. My hope is that her actions create her own downfall. She should be working in a garage as a mechanic and not in a hospital trying to fix people’s wounds and ailments.
I am looking forward to seeing how Shin/Lee 🤔pulls together these threads. Am in the canoe and paddling hard.