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12:30 UTC or
5:30am PST
8:30am in Caracas and EST
2:30pm in Paris
8:30pm in Singapore
Ep 9 & 10 – 19 Nov 2022
Ep 11 & 12 – 26 Nov 2022
Ep 13 – 3 Dec 2022
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Thank you so much @pkml3 for giving us this space. 😁 I must say that the rewatch did unearth points I totally missed and helped me appreciate this jdrama more.
Everyone’s welcome to join us on Saturday for our continuation of the rewatch!
Hello, I’ll be here!!
@GB, hey hey, I told it: it’s highly rewatchable, even when we understand what happens. 😉
@packmule3: thanks for the time reminder! It helps a lot because when I go on a UTC time translator, I’m never sure.
Hi @WE, I was checking when you might be up and about. I’m glad to see you here.
I really could not recall much of my first viewing. At times the rewatch is more like a first watch for me.
Pity that the way it’s done is to make the characters as anime-like as possible and therefore not at all relatable or likable. But I guess it’s supposed to not be like real life, while commenting on real characteristics/values.
@GB, I immediately liked the anim aspect of the drama. It’s the first time I saw this kind of transposition (since I saw some crazy Japanese movies in this genre, like Robot Geisha). I saw it as a direction chosen in the style of the piece. But it’s true that before watching kdramas :
– I watched a lot of Japanese anime (and read manga).
– I used to watch some Japanese dramas. Unfortunately, when I discovered kdramas, I started to watch less and less Japanese series. More because it was hard to find, and now I don’t watch any more at a time when I think there are probably some very good ones.
More specific about Japanese anime: some of them are very cerebral, or correspond more exactly to my taste in what I call “psycho-intellectual”, or “psycho-cerebral”. It’s hard to qualify this style, but it goes together with the keywords “mind blowing”, “mindfuck”, “plot-twists”, “mastermind”.
I can just mention some works in this genre: Inception (movie), Sherlock Holmes (series), Dune (book).
And of course in kdramas: W!!!, 365 repeat the year, Memories of the Alhambra.
Before seeing Liar Game, I had of course watched these anims in this category:
– Death Note. A lot of mind-game!
– Kaiji. More psychological than intellectual (depending on the episode).
They are in my top list of things to see. 😉
Liar Game is in the continuity, with more bluff and mental calculation, and without corpses.
I find it hard to classify the recent kdrama “squid game” in this category: it’s very much copied from Kaiji but much more violent, less intelligent and less psychological. I watched the kdrama and it was a disappointment. It lacks subtlety, but of course some parts are good.
@WE, well and good that the anime style is chosen for this work, however, I guess my question is if this style promotes better the message it wants to convey, or if it was just chosen because that’s how Liar Game first began, as a manga, and therefore this is just a ‘live-action’ transposition.
I can see that the kdrama version did to a small extent, but not as much as it could have, included more warm, human moments, because it was not made to look like an anime, but like a usual drama….not that it did highlight the socio-psychological aspect any better.
I’ve read the manga, and it’s very different. No colors, and a dark ambiance. The style is quite minimalistic, you can read it here:
https://mangakakalot.com/read-aj6yp158504875112
The way of the drama is radicaly different, and make it less dramatic. If we look back, it’s 2007, a low budget drama. Usualy, steps are:
– Manga. If it’s popular then…
– Anime. If it’s still popular then… (no Anime for Liar Game)
– Movie and/or Drama. Death Note order was manga/anime/movie/drama (anime was the best!). Kaiji was manga/anime/movies.
But how to make a low budget drama with such a good story in a way that make it able to be as flashy as a good big budget movie? Well, all we see in the drama, style, energy, good camera work and AWESOME editing + sounds effects. And of course, dare to take risks, like the colors. The drama is perfect opposite of the manga about that. Colors everywhere. Colors filters making sky pink or green. 🙂
There is a warm atmosphere in the drama. But the manga is cold, scary, with empty spaces. There is less comedy feeling. Nao is less joyfull, cry a lot, a feel fear. When I say the drama have an anim feeling, obviously, it’s not the Liar Game Manga one, but more the feeling of another manga with comedy.
You can see here game 2 setting:
https://mangakakalot.com/chapter/read_liar_game_manga/chapter_8
I don’t know about what style promote best the message. And I didn’t think about that. Because when what I watch is great, well… I’m just happy. 🙂
I think you are best than me to talk about thematics. Even with my own screenplay W2, you would be better to find the thematics, because I don’t focus about that, but with a story with lot of links, the thematics always come in, more hidden but more powerfull ones. Of course a good way to do would be to write a story, analyse it, find the thematics, and rewrite parts of the stories needing some thematic of symbolic improvements. Actually, I did that in W2 episode 7 (a scene with a chrisalys).
But when I start to think about thematics, often, I discover it myself and I’m puzzled about what I wrote. It’s like “Woo!” there is that in the story and it’s not a dead end, it’s a thematic used all along. There is X implications and sub-thematics, hyper links and deep psychology. Then I have this feeling: it’s like the story wrote itself!! I’m just Oh Sung-Moo, the story is alive and do its own best than me. Damn-it! After that, I really need to drink a glass of whysky. 🙂
So that explains the generous amount of whiskey drinking LOL.
I saw a comment that the Liar Game was better written, but if it’s dark and scary, then it sounds like a different thing to me. I’d rather the colourful moving images, although I find the colours too lurid at times.
It is time! Starting now.
I pity the players who are just forced to go into the 3rd round like sheep to the slaughter. All penned in and forced into the truck.
Yokoya shows up and immediately we know he is significant – an all white villain.
The Contraband Game feels like an individual game masquerading like a team game. As usual, instead of fostering unity, the individuals choose to encourage division.
Hang on… are you in Daylight savings? Is it just 1.30pm in your time now? Then I’ll wait an hour and watch.
Hyyyy!! yeah my time here is 13:40!
What do we do?
No problem, since in the notice we say 2.30pm in France, then we wait until that time. It’s just the two of us commenting anyway. Unless you are free and want to start the rewatch now? I’m available for this evening so no problem, any time.
Yeah I would be happy to start now, so 14:00 here. I’m a bit tired and after that I will take a nap. 😉
OK let’s start now!!!
I kept falling asleep today, actually. Nothing could keep me awake!
haha, no difficult to guess than yokoya will be the big bad in this scene 🙂
Yokoya really looks like a manga character. Something so artificial about all of him.
I never bothered to figure out how the money gets divided. But they start with 100 million and have to steal another 400 million more?
KN only sees it as too much risk.
Not sure, I remember there 500 millions per people.
So stylish, white hair, wait cloth and a hairstyle! It’s really a manga vilain! 🙂
Smuggling rules.
Inspector passes the trunk which is empty – nothing happens
Inspector passes the trunk which has money – money goes to other team
Inspector doubts and states an amount of money – if he states a sum that is more than that in trunk, the other team gets the money
If the sum is correct – the amount is confiscated
If the sum guessed is less than what is in the trunk – the other team gets the money.
The rules are easy but what is not easy is later. When they count the money in the both banks. And visualize how it is in the map setting. There is a trick in this game I wasn’t able to understand at one point. Also, it’s very difficult to track the amounts of money.
I can’t tell how they can figure how to divide the money as well.
One more rule, if the inspector doubts but the trunk is really empty, then 1/2 the amount he doubted is given to the other team.
Yeah, the basic rules are clean.
But it’s how the will take money in their own bank of something like that, that is unclear later.
The SPLIT: there is a lot of luck Nao was with Akyama, else they would be in different teams.
The ACTING of Nao. LOL!!!
With the sound effect “Ting” when they see that.
The split was just by where one stood in that room. Crazy ad hoc way of doing things. But it seemed to have been deliberate in a way, since Yokoya would want to be in the opposing team.
I find Mitsuo’s smiles so sinister with that gold tooth that always gleams.
Just imagine Yokoya and Akiyama in the same teams. The Liar game company become ruined. 🙂
Nao and Water Country want to go the safe way to only collect the indemnity. How they could keep bringing in an empty trunk was too much!
Best joke is that she thought she acted so well and everyone’s expression was so ….😳
It’s quite typical of Shonen mangas: once a vilain is defeated, he become an ally and there is a bigger vilain to fight. 😉
That’s an interesting observation. There’s always a bigger big bad guy out there, huh?
Loved how shocked the narcissistic Fukunaga is that he was wrong.
Mini-mushroom defeated by the weird lady with glasses.
Yeah, in season 2 there is a bigger vilain!
And also there is some small episodes (not in the list) like Fukunaga vs Yokoya. Yokoya become a better guy after the season 1.
Immediately Mushroom must start blame throwing, being derisive and most unpleasant. He’s a plot device to bring division wherever he plays.
Just send Akyama to get the money on first try.
Whahahaha.
AK: sorry… I lied. 🙂
(with arrogant face)
The glasses lady always has a sour down-turned mouth except for this time when she succeeded to bring in the money.
All start fighting so soon except for KN and AS, AS maintains an attitude of indifference throughout at first, but he’s the one who’ll be the most angry and irrational later.
AS puts the first 1 million yen to good use!
Okoya snif a kind of drug like cocain but it looks like it’s something else. Or cocain tainted with coffee. 🙂
AS has the psychological approach. He does not do it just for the money but to put the other party at a disadvantage so that they will make mistakes. The same method that he used with the teacher in the first few episodes.
The setting when Okoya enter the room.
Waaaaooo, lot of slow motion. Steps with echo. Bigggggg.
Mini Mushroom is doomed.
Yokoya is sniffing snuff made by Wilsons of Sharrow – Cool Honey flavour.
First time I’ve ever seen a modern day person sniff snuff. Somewhat like smoking without the fire and smoke.
Here, very important speech from Yokoya about master and servants.
The one who ran away, will definitely suffer a great deal of debt.
You’re ahead of me. Only now then I’m seeing Mini-mushroom with Yokoya.
Thanks for the information, I didn’t know this snuff ever existed. So it’s not really a drug?!
Note how is the room here: It look like a lot of rooms in the movie Cube (a scifi low budget movie, but one of the best).
Tons of effects!!! Green eye. Super powers!!
Yokoya is telepath aaahahaa ahaha ha
endless Yokoya laugh ahha haa haa haah evilllll.
Mieta mieta…
Fukunaga stunned!!
I can’t figure out how the first time before Minimushroom states the amount to carry, it is Fukunaga who decides on 50 million, 10 thousand yen… and Yokoya claims to be clairvoyant and knows it.
I thought it should have been Fuku who colluded with Yokoya and not Minimushroom.
Yokoya plays the same game as Akiyama – to hit at the opponent psychologically… induce fear, doubt, worry, using lies. But it’s the Liar Game so it’s allowed.
No, because… I don’t know. Just the script make Fukunaga a better guy now, an allie. Also, it needs a weak guy. Yokoya prefer to use someone easy to use at first. Or the one in the room he think is more easy to manipulate.
Now mini mushroom become mad with power.
Flashback from Nao, she remember what Yokoya was saying. What give us a clue about the link mini-mushroom / Yokoya trick.
That means Minimushroom was able to signal the figures exactly to Yokoya in the space of seconds before the doors between the 2 rooms closed.
He give the information before they enter the room. 😉
Ready for next episode?
It is a sad thing that Minimushroom also becomes like a megalomaniac with just a couple of experiences of winning… when he was cheating all along. Crazy and over the top.
But I guess there are some people like that. Never having had that kind of attention, Minimushroom becomes insufferable.
OK, next episode now!!
At this point AS know a lot of thing:
– of course Yokoya can’t be a telepath, AS can’t belive such a fantasy.
– mini mushroom don’t want to revelate how he can win. So there is something at stake here.
Crazy: Fukunaga ready to obey to “master Ono”. 🙂
Yes crazy that Fuku who is so arrogant will debase himself over money. Quite an impossible to like character here.
So the stomachache came on Minimushroom when he could not see Yokoya, to get the info from him.
He’s an ally but keep some bad mood, ha ha.
It’s the same in the anim Dragon Ball Z.
Vegeta is a vilain, a bad one. Then he become an ally of Sangoku, but keep his bad mood. 🙂
AS say “I understood”.
SO, just now, as we want to know.. cliffhanger!
It’s then the credit song.
There are two cliffhanger in a liar game episode. 🙂
AS manipulation on mini mushroom: he say he’s agree, and then make fear to him, then relax him when he say it’s just Okoya have good sens of observation. So minimushroom don’t try to understand what is on the paper AS give to the girl.
AS gives a summary explanation of how Minimushroom colluded with Yokoya.
Yeah, the drama is nice with the audience, there are a lot of explanation. Just imagine it was made by a korean screenwriter, you would understand nothing. LOL!!
What I like, even Okoya is the vilain here, all he say is still true about society.
AS breakdown.
Honestly, first time I watched the drama, I wasn’t sure it was fake or not.
I was drifting off again LOL. Have a super sour sweet in my mouth to keep awake. Yokoya laughs too much.
It’s ending soon. 😉
Now we have soon the trick used by AS. The most difficult to understand. But I start to understand it. Just it need to get the map of the place to understand and we don’t have it.
The amount of money results is strange.
AS did it on purpose so that despite losing, the amounts would even up.
Yeah, it’s THE plot-twist. 😉
The thing is, what made the 3 Fire Country people trust AS so as to leave their cards with him?
Yes, so what I understand.
A guy from the fire country have a card of one the water country.
Instead to take the money in the water country, he take the money in the fire country.
Then AS make the guy pass and the money go in the water country.
First AS crushes the Pyramid Scheme, then he crushes the one behind it.
At last it ends. I’ll have to rewatch the parts where I drifted off but I’ll do that later.
Next week will be interesting with KN coming to stop what AS does to Yokoya.
No, next week are the special episodes.
We learn to know all the truth behind the liar game. But as there are a lot of scene we already see, we need to skip them and just watch the new scenes.
AS wanted at first for the 2 teams to keep the status quo and not to win or lose anything, but to have the same amount of money on both sides. Only when the scale was tilted would the trouble start. Now he sets the scale back to being in balance again. Quite amazing.
Then he starts to really attack Yokoya.
We didn’t schedule the Final Stage, did we? Do you want to add that to the rewatch to round off the first Season?
No no, the final stage comes after Season 2!!
It needs to stage Season 2 before. 😉
I thought I saw the same characters as Season 1 in it. Ok. Then no need for Final Stage.
Bye! Thanks for a nice rewatch.
Have a good rest, bye!
Just letting you guys know that I am watching this too. I started watching after reading your comments on the first episode and it’s my first watch. It’s such a refreshing drama for me. Once I started watching I just kept going. It is addictive unlike Squid Game, I find Squid Game too gory. I noticed that the filming of this drama is different but it was only after reading your comments that I understood the difference, it was made to make audience feel like reading the manga. I also like the mind game part of the drama. So glad that this drama was picked for rewatch and your generous (enlightening) comments. Thank You.
Hi Feifei, thanks for letting us know!! I’ve always wondered if anyone lurked or watched along with us. I’m glad to know that you picked up this show because we found it worth a rewatch, and that you liked it.
It does tend to become compelling, with Akiyama’s bid to find out who is behind the game also becoming the mystery that we want solved.
This show/manga also elicits game analyses, I find. I watched two videos on solving the games or on alternative action that Kanzaki Nao could have taken. There is reference to game theory and where it was used in the show. So there’s lots to be interested in.
Do join us for the rewatch next week if you are available at 12:30pm UTC. 🙂
@Feifei, thanks to being here!
We feel so alone GB and me on this rewatch. 😉
I’m agree with you about Squid Game. Something wrong in it, even weird about the story logic (side plot), but however, I can’t deny there are some good moments and ideas.
Liar game is a brainy drama (like was W), and of course, it can’t be the taste of everyone. But even without that, the artistic work is worth it.
See you soon, have a good week! 😉
LOL @WE, well, we may feel kind of alone but as long as we have one other person to hang out with here, it’s great!!!
Your mention of Memories of Alhambra made me think that I might want to rewatch that show as well. I know the first few episodes sucked me in, but the dead friend’s constant reappearance started bothering me. It was a terrible ‘inadvertent punishment’ for having accidentally killed someone who really shouldn’t have been able to have been killed.
Don’t know if the show ever explained how that crossover to reality took place. Let me know if you want to do a rewatch of MoA later. We might ask around and see if we can garner a bigger group. 🙂
@GB, I will try to join you next week if I can. I tend to forget and miss the rewatch time.
@GB, You hit the nail on the head! Just the two of us setting the mood!
MOTA: Yes, there is a scene that explains how the phenomenon starts. 😉
So you propose a rewatch with:
– A smart and consistent drama.
– A 100% original high concept, just genius.
– Highly rewatchable with many open questions.
– Written by my favorite screenwriter.
– And my second favorite drama by this writer.
——- How am I supposed to say NO? (≧д≦ヾ)
You’re not being fair here! ಠ_ಠ
As long as it’s a drama that will appeal to more people, I think it’s Ok. BOD can’t stay with rewatch with mostly two people. 😉
Hi @WE, I know that over here, @pkml3 generously opens threads for just 1 or 2 to do rewatches and chats in. It will be very good, and likely better, of course, to have a bigger group of BODers all weighing in on a show together.
As we can see, even when we might have had a group of more than 2 to begin with, there’s no guarantee that people will be free to do the rewatch when it actually starts. I begin, to consider a rewatch when someone else asks to start it and I want to watch it too (for eg. Love Between Fairy and Devil), or when it’s certain that at least 2 pax will start and can commmit to a selected show.
MOTA is the latter case. I know @pkml3 has written about some of MOTA and am considering rewatching and re-reading to garner more out of the show. I’ve been curious about some parts of it, and can’t remember much of what I watched before. I know that you like it and will consider a rewatch of it, therefore the conditions are right to suggest it for a rewatch and to look for other like-minded BODers.
If we are quite definite about it, I’m thinking it will only start in January 2023, after the Christmas and New Year break. Please let me know if you think you’re up for a rewatch of MOTA then. Since this time has been successful, it will continue to be on Saturdays at around the same time. I’ll have to check later on what your daylight savings time will be, to know the actual hour! 🤔 😬 😯 😛
Of course I’ll ask around to see if we can find more bitches to join us, but no guarantees. 🤪