Here you go, @agdr03. The thread is open. 🙂
I too am partial to Zhao Rosie/Zhao Lu Si so will download the episodes on Netflix. It just began yesterday on Netflix so I don’t know how many episodes were released. Will try to join you when I can.
Cast: Zhao LuSi, Chen Zhe Yuan (never saw him before)
Episodes: 25 (Phew!)
Where to watch it: Netflix and Youtube (?)
Synopsis from mydramalist:
Sang Zhi falls in love with Duan Jia Xu, a boy who often comes to her house to play games in her older brother’s room. He is five years older than her. Sang Zhi had a crush on Duan Jia Xu when she was young, but they lost contact with each other for some reason. After she graduates, she joins the university in the city he is in, and during their day-to-day intimate and close interaction, they slowly fall in love.
Enjoy the show!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! 🥰🥰🥰
Thank you! 😘 Thank you Queen Chingu!!! 🙇🏻♀️
I think it will become my first fave cdrama for the year, might even level up to LoveO2O. ☺️ It really reminds me of LoveO2O except for the angst.
Sooo happy! 😍
You’re welcome, my friend!
I’m in your motherland at the moment, checking out the beaches. We’ll do Shargao and Nido in Palauan.
Boracay is great! Love the white beach and the hospitality of the people. Already rode a tricycle… without losing a limb. 😂😂
Gotta go. See you later!
Oh that’s so nice! I’m glad you’re enjoying Philippines. 😍 That’s one thing I’m proud of being a Filipino, their hospitality. ☺️
Siargao and El Nido are both good. There’s Amanpulo too. My parents went to Boracay last April and they did enjoy it. ☺️
You’re a trooper in riding a tricycle. 🙌🏻 My boys liked it too when we visited in 2018. 😊
Take care! Enjoy! Enjoy! 😃
Thank you, @packmule3. The ML has bags of charm (not to mention that he’s easy on the eyes). He’s a worthy match for Zhao Lusi. I will blame @agdr03 for getting me hooked on this one.
Ah, an important note about watching. Just when you think any episode is finished, there is a little bit more that serves to clarify or expand, so don’t log off when the episode seems to be over.
I can’t remember the word, but it’s a bit like the ‘postcripts’ in One Day Off.
I’m happy to take the blame @Fern. 😜
Yes, CZY is easy on the eyes. 🥰
They were saying that Lusi has a Black Fox in Who Rules The World and she’s got an Old Fox in Hidden love. 😂
I mean really 5 years older is nothing for me. Hubby is 7 years older than me. ☺️
Thank you @Packmule3 – sounds like a gorgeous holiday too!
I am caught up now @agdr03 and @fern.
The next episode is out on Monday and, apparently, ZL contacted Youkou to ask them personally to release more episodes sooner! But they won’t.
LIGHT SPOILER ALERT
DJ and the actor playing him – is a complete charmer when he decides to be. Oh my goodness! I would be as wrong-footed as is our FL all over the place.
I loved the confession and ‘can I woo you’ seen and how he helped her ‘save face’.
I saw the actor in ‘Mr Bad’ – a fantasy rom com which I enjoyed. He was also in ‘Handsome Siblings’ which I couldn’t get into.
Right @Kate? 🥰 That confession just felt so heartfelt and so honest. I loved the hidden/not hidden looks that they gave each other while on that balcony. ☺️
Apparently there were lots of people that made confessions on a similar location because of DJ. 😂
Did you like the strawberry scene too? Don’t take advantage of me SZ. 🤣
I’ve watched Mr Bad too and enjoyed it. ☺️
I’m excited for Monday. 😉
@agdr03 – I almost mentioned the strawberry scene and forgot…
I LOVED it. He’s so cheeky he’s inspired with his moves. Her face afterwards!
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Ah yes, @Kate, that’s why the ML looks familiar. He’s also in ‘Mr Bad’ which I sort of half watched.
I skipped over loads of episodes but I did watch Ep 15. I liked that he asked her if he could woo her… to make it very clear. That is much preferred to all the second-guessing other couples go through because nothing is laid out clearly in words. 🤔 🤨 😝
ps ‘can I woo you?’ *scene*… so tired at the moment that I can’t spell! haha
Glad to have another place to gush over Hidden Love 😀 Came to this site because of a link in the comments for King Eternal Monarch on DB, and now I’m a regular lurker. It usually takes a drama like Hidden Love to bring me out of lurker mode. Looking forward to reading everyone’s comments!
I’m trying to catch up on this despite a busy schedule the past week-plus. I feel Hidden Love does an excellent job of depicting puppy love in a situation that is believable, although I do suspect to please the Chinese censors there’s a lot of preaching about focusing on studies and delaying romantic entanglements until after high school.
As previous commenters have said on the What Are We Watching in June? thread, show is very careful to not cross lines and suggest the ML, five years older than his college roommate’s younger sister, had any inappropriate intentions toward her when treating her kindly, stepping in when she was in trouble, etc. He always encouraged her to turn to her parents when encountering difficulty and reminded her that her brother did love her despite his gruffness. The usual pattern for someone wanting to develop an unlawful and unhealthy relationship with a minor is to groom them, convincing the victim they are the only one who understands them, isolating them from their family, and establishing secrecy. We don’t see the male lead, Duan Jia Xu, exhibiting any of these behaviors. His brotherly affection for his friend’s little sister always appears sincere and within proper bounds. The little sister’s crush, which she strives to keep a secret, is also typical of a middle school girl’s growing awareness of sexual feelings as she enters puberty.
I’ve got to end this for now, as I have to get to a fitness class on time, but I’ll be back to comment more. I want to talk about why I think it was a good idea the FL dropped all contact with the ML for a span of time as she transitioned from childhood to young adulthood.
@Welmaris – yes please. Would like to hear more from you re the FL going ‘no contact’.
I agree btw.
Greetings @Stacy…this is a show to gush over!
I kept coming here so many times in hope of seeing a Hidden Love OT because I knew it would be right up the alley of cdrama folks here. Pleasantly surprised to see it today.
I’m loving the show and Chen Zhe Yuan is such a charmer. Someone with a good face and equally good at acting woah. ZLS is great as always too.
Nice to have you on this thread @Welmaris 🥰
I agree with what you said. The novel is more explicit and bold, I watched the English subbed one on YouTube. I’ll stick to the drama. 😬
I’m so glad the drama handled it better and as you said I’m sure they’d get censured if it’s too much for television viewing especially for teenagers.
The Beijing News praised the drama actually. It’s a state owned media outlet . So even with the criticism from it, I’m sure it’ll be alright.
I felt the no contact of SZ to DJ is to really try to get over him after crushing on him for a awhile. He is her first ever crush/love.
But as it is, she’s still not over him after meeting again. ☺️
Welcome @Stacy and @wapz ☺️
We’re excited for tomorrow right? The SZ and DJ dating era will begin. 🥰
Their photo shoot is cute too! 🥰
Ok! Kiss, position and angle. 😂😂😂
The smack of the Director to CZY was funny! 😂😂😂
Enjoy! I’m looking forward to the outcome of this scene. 🥰
https://youtu.be/EnSvz-5TPb0
@agdr03… this made me laugh!
I forget how awkward this must be for the actors… having to get all the positions right and then they are going to be mouth to mouth – for public viewing! Especially hard, I would think, for the actor being tested on his kissing prowess!
Me too @Kate! I had a good laugh 😂
The actors definitely work hard in following instructions and of course trying to make sure it will look natural. 🥰
If I want to ship a couple I should always remember that whenever they kiss, there’s plenty of people around them. Brings me back to it’s just work. No shipping for me. ☺️
@agdr03 – they are very shippable couple aren’t they? So reality checks are needed!
She is rumoured to be dating her ‘Long Ballad’ co-star – even if this is just gossip it helps me not to get into unreality!
Oh Leo Wu from Love Like The Galaxy? 🥰
If it’s true, I’d be very happy for Rosy. ☺️ He seems like a kind and level headed guy. I like them in LLTG too. ☺️
Rosy said that she’s a very strong willed person so if there’s someone more than her like that then she’d like him. 😃 That’s the type of guy that she likes.
She said she’s similar to Sang Zhi in a way that she can hide someone that she likes, hide some of her pain, hide her inner most thoughts.
She’s a very happy girl and really living her life. I hope when she’s ready she’ll get all the happiness she deserves. 🥰
I read about her being at Disney with Liu Yuning and their respective teams
He was the 2 ML. The character who was sent to capture her but ended up falling for her. It’s a while since I saw TLB.
They are, apparently, starring together in a drama in 2023.
Me too, hoping she ends up with someone to be happy with.
He is also a singer … here he is singing the song from ‘You are My GLory’
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=419745683015261
Oh sorry. My mind went straight to Leo Wu 😂 I didn’t know that Liu Yuning was there too. 😃
Yes, he’s the second ML. ☺️ He had that issue where they said he’s married with a kid.
He rebuked them outright and good on him! 👏🏻
Hopefully they’ll get to do that drama. 😊
@agdr03 – yes – you’ll know better than me – I think she has been linked with Leo Wu also…
Liu Yuning was married between 2012 and 2013. He doesn’t have a child from that marriage – the child is his ex-wife’s with someone else, apparently. He is 33 so older than ZL.
So what was it about the middle-school-aged little sister of his college roommate that drew Jia Xu’s attention? Although, as Sang Zhi notes, Jia Xu is kind to many people, he is willing to engage with her in ways unique to their relationship, such as helping her with school trouble. I think the answer lies in her feistiness. She’s willing to fight against unfairness, even if her methods are questionable. Looking back on early episodes after watching through Episode 13, now knowing some of Jia Xu’s backstory, I can see how he’d value a fighting spirit. His father’s actions put Jia Xu and his mother in a difficult position, and JX could only stand by quietly as his mother, in distress, promised a lifetime of responsibility in payment for something he didn’t do. Jia Xu has a strong moral compass, and wants to do what is just, but also keenly senses unfairness. He’s learned the hard way how to spot people trying to take advantage. I think that is why he offers so much advice to Sang Zhi: he wants to spare her getting hurt, and trapped, like he’s been.
As for Jia Xu being stalked by his father’s creditor, who is using a grievous situation to tie him to her beyond a court’s decision of liability, I don’t understand why he doesn’t refuse delivery of packages sent by her, instead of tossing them aside unopened. Accepting delivery gives her the impression he’s accepting her gifts. Also, once Jua Xu has fulfilled his financial obligation to her and wants to cut all ties, why doesn’t he block her phone number? That’s easily done, and gives a clearer message than ignoring calls and texts. And if he wants to be more convincing about his resolve to end communication, I believe he should explain to her that she will always remind him of the most painful period of his life, which he needs to leave behind in order to heal emotionally.
Stalker girl is unhinged, partially because she hasn’t properly processed the tragic loss of her father. Her insistence on pursuing Jia Xu, believing he owes her his life, is a cry for help that is not being heeded. Someone please get that girl some psychiatric counseling! Just trying to block her physical and electronic access to Jia Xu isn’t going to sort out her emotional and mental health issues.
I’m guessing that Jia Xu’s not drinking alcohol stems from the tragedy his father caused. Had Jia Xu’s father been drunk when he crashed into the other man? I imagine I’ll find out in future episodes.
@Welmaris –
Thank you. This interpretation of the why of DJ’s attention to SJ from the earliest meeting is really helpful. It is satisfying to have more of a clear sense of what is going on in this relationship, why it started (on his side) and why it has endured.
BTW, have you read the book? Does it help earth the story? Following the discussion in this thread, I read a couple of chapters of a translation. The translator kept mixing up the male and female pronouns so I gave up.
Re the stalker – nothing to add! I so agree with your prescription! My teeth were set on edge in the scene where the stalker repeatedly called DJ at work. His nerves must have been jangled.
Thanks @Welmaris!
I believe you’re right about the alcohol drinking of DJ’s Dad which caused the accident. 🙁
I think he didn’t do those blocking of JY etc because he still feels guilty that she lost her Dad.
But he’s had a sad life and a lot of responsibility after the accident even losing his Mom. 🙁
This Cdrama has me pondering a bit of Chinese history. During the scene of Sang Yan’s and Duan Jia Xu’s college graduation, the banner says the year is 2016. Sang Zhi is 14 years old at the time. That puts her birth year around 2002 by Western age reckoning, and around 2003-2004 (depending when her birth falls in relation to the Lunar New Year) by Chinese age reckoning. By either method of reckoning, Sang Zhi was born when China had its one-child policy in place, which officially started in September 1980 and ended in January 2016. At the very least, in having a second child, her parents would have had to pay a “social child-raising fee” based on the family’s income; being wealthy (above their district’s average per capita income), they would have had to pay one or two times their annual income. If they didn’t pay, their second child could not be registered in the national household system, would not exist legally, and would not have access to social services like education and health care.
Enforcement of the one-child policy was stringent in urban settings; in rural settings enforcement was uneven. After giving birth to one child, either the husband would undergo a vasectomy, or four months after giving birth the wife would receive an IUD. Legal removal of IUDs happened after women reached menopause. Although IUDs are 99% effective in preventing pregnancy, it is possible Sang Zhi’s mother had an unplanned pregnancy even with an IUD in place. If the pregnancy was planned, and her IUD was removed, she and her health provider would have done so illegally. If Sang Zhi’s parents had not obtained a birth permit prior to having a second child, both would have been pressured for the mother to get an abortion. Refusing to abort, a woman legally had to be sterilized after giving birth to two children.
During the time Sang Zhi was born, by government policy she was an anomaly. Her very existence was due to her parents’ tenacity. They paid a hefty sum to bring her into their world. I wonder if older brother, Sang Yan, being age five when his younger sister was born, was aware of emotional and financial strain on his family by her addition, thus causing him to feel resentment. His opinion was formed: she was Little Demon, not an angel.
I also wonder if Sang Zhi and her family encountered prejudice because of her being a rare second child. Her middle school teacher singled her out for criticism and punishment, even though her wandering attention wasn’t disruptive to the class, nor caused her academic performance to suffer. Her parents were repeatedly called into meetings about her at the school, making them take time away from work, even though by test scores Sang Zhi was in the top of her class. Was that teacher truly concerned about Sang Zhi’s academic welfare, or was he bothered by her very existence and displeased with a family that had bucked the system? Realizing what a rarity it would be for a student to have an older brother, I can believe that two years later the teacher would remember Sang Zhi’s “brother,” especially since he left a favorable impression at their meeting, and be confused to see Sang Zhi calling someone else her gēge.
In light of Sang Zhi’s unusual status, I better understand her confusion about her feelings for Jia Xu as a child and young adult. Other girls Sang Zhi’s age with older brothers would be few and far between, so Sang Zhi would not have peers to look to for example or advice. She’s sailing in uncharted waters, at least in her society. If she hadn’t an older brother bringing home his friend, Sang Zhi wouldn’t have had opportunity to develop a sibling-like relationship with a young man five years her senior. As Sang Zhi tells herself while a college student, if she’d first met Jia Xu when they were both legal adults, the five-year difference in their ages wouldn’t have necessarily led Jia Xu to think of her as a mèimei.
I can imagine Sang Zhi is a curiosity to her schoolmates, as well as to her brother’s friends. It could be none of them have experienced life as a sibling. That curiosity may be part of Jia Xu’s patience with Sang Zhi during her childhood. Jia Xu also was introduced as Sang Yan’s classmate into the Sang family at a time when Jia Xu’s own family was blasted apart by tragedy: his father having killed another man and fled the scene of the crash; court having levied substantial reparation from his family (his mother and him, in his father’s absence) to the family of the deceased; and his mother’s death from illness (perhaps brought on by the stress of the situation in which her husband left her and their son). Being in the presence of a family with strong bonds seems to have brought Jia Xu mixed feelings: he willingly came to his friend’s home, yet often refused to sit down and eat a meal with the family. I imagine the contrast between Sang Yan’s home life and his own lack of family was too much for Jia Xu to bear in the intimate setting of a family meal.
@Packmule3, the commentary I just posted is awaiting moderation.
I hope wherever you currently are in your travels, you’re having a good time: eating and resting well.
Done, @Welmaris.
Okay, I’m hooked.
Episode 7 was iconic. THIS is what I’ve been looking for and found missing in the current crop of Kdramas.
I want a goodbye that:
a. Makes sense
b. Is organic to the plot and not just added on for fans
c. Moving
d. Is well-acted. Zhao LuSi didn’t overdo her character’s despondency and dejection.
e. Is dignified… for the character’s age. She didn’t show her breakdown in front of the male lead.
f. Relatable. Who among us hasn’t suffered through first love? Please! If you haven’t gone through this very human experience, kindly exit this blog, you wretched creature. Why are you watching dramas instead of actually living life? 😖
Zhao LuSi is one of the few actresses who play cute, wholesome, and feminine without eliciting revulsion in me. But she’s also developing in other areas as well. She’s the reason I can’t tolerate so many Chinese actresses like the actress in “Love Between Fairy and Devil,” the actress in “Put Your Head on My Shoulder” and Dilraba.
Thank you, @Packmule3. And I agree with you that the airport scene where Sang Zhi cries from a broken heart is well acted and convincing. I felt that child’s raw emotion, pain and pride tumbled together, and I shed some tears along with her.
In my comment above I got dates wrong, but the gist of my argument is unchanged. At the 2016 college graduation of Jia Xu and her brother, Sang Zhi was in high school, not middle school. In Episode 16 Sang Zhi has her 19th birthday, and also says Jia Xu has been out of college almost two years.
Here’s a rough timeline:
2018 – Sang Zhi turns 19 and is in her first year of college. Jia Xu is around age 25 and finished college about two years ago. It snows when Jia Xu and Sang Zhi are out together; he tells her the last time it snowed in Yihe, he was a high school freshman.
2016 – Sang Yun and Jia Xu graduate from college. Sang Zhi is 17 and one year from high school graduation.
2012 – During his first year in college, Jia Xu’s mother dies.
2009 – Jia Xu’s father drives after drinking, crashes his car into someone (the father of Jia Xu’s high school classmate), leaves the scene, and tries to commit suicide by jumping out a window when Jia Xu insists on calling the police. Jia Xu’s father does not die, but becomes comatose, and is still so nine years later in 2018. It was snowing in Yihe,a relatively rare occurrence, the night of the crash.
Yippieeeeeeee! Hooked!!! 😍 Sooo happy you’re on to this drama . 🙌🏻
Whose the wretched creature? 😂
But seriously I did cry with SZ when she thought that yeah she’s still young and her crush doesn’t like her. 😭 Her trying to hold back her tears when she gave the bear that he got for her was heartbreaking. 😢
I liked that she really distanced herself from DJ after the airport scene and put everything that’s related to him in a box, to be kept away.
I’m excited for tonight because they’ll become a couple officially. 🥰🥰🥰
@Welmaris, thank you for the timeline.
That helps a lot.
Did you notice some kdrama tropes too? Like the hand promise sign (I only know this because of Warm & Cozy) and the first day of snow wish. 🙂 I believe Rosy is a fan of Kpop Idols and dramas too so I felt that she probably suggested those as well.
Unless it’s in the novel itself? I haven’t read the novel. I don’t think I will. 🙂
@Welmaris, your explanation of the One Child policy in relation to this drama is so helpful. Many thanks. It also confirms my idea that SZ’s family is more well-to-do than average. I haven’t understood, or perhaps haven’t yet come to the part where the aftermath of the car and pedestrian accident is revealed but it’s helpful to know. It shows the immense burden Duan Jia Xu carries for his family and for the family of the deceased pedestrian.
@Welmaris – your account of the story against the backdrop of the Chinese one child policy provides helpful insights.
Does the author of the novel/ screenplay signal this issue beyond the things you mention like the young SZ being picked on in school? Or is that not possible – for censorship reasons possibly – and does the Chinese audience deduce because they are familiar with the context?
Not @packmule calling me out on point f 😅
Really I think it’s become harder to live your life so watching dramas becomes the ultimate escapism and not lived in but good experience. Wretched indeed.
Hi @Packmule3 – so glad you are enjoying this show. It is so well done.
Looking forward to further discussion.
Yes, Episode 7 made its mark on me too. I keep remembering her looking across the airport lounge at DZ with the mystery woman – trying to contain her feelings. DZ is, painfully for her, oblivious. Dissonance and shock.
Oh it just occurred to me about the first snow. Thanks @Welmaris!
DJ experienced it last time when his Dad tried to commit suicide and then the second time with SZ.
From the worst memory of the first snow to having someone defend you and take care of you, make you feel like you deserve some happiness or some goodness in this life after everything you’ve been through. That look of hope.
Oh is that you Xiao Nai? 🥰☺️
https://twitter.com/biukiee/status/1675807881440919552?s=46&t=BT0tHWWRRX1rx64As5f8XQ
Spoiler! I really like this shot! Her shadow coming in like that. 🥰
https://twitter.com/springgrief/status/1675813242541846528?s=46&t=BT0tHWWRRX1rx64As5f8XQ
I’m still 😍from all that went in ep 17 and 18.
Regarding earlier discussion, SZ’s parents are definitely rich. Usually cdramas tend to show apartments unless someone is rich. They have a three storey spacious house. Not as big as Here we meet again’s female lead’s house because she was clearly a chaebol. But SZ’s parents definitely look executive level employees or maybe they have their own business but an upper middle class family at least. In fact, Sang Yan has his own novel too, First Frost where there and also in a few episodes here, he runs a bar after graduation. He didn’t have to bother with jobs but opened his own venture instead so that’s telling of how he can afford to do that.
@wapz! I’m so jealous! I can’t watch it till tomorrow. 😭
But I’m stalking on Twitter 😂
My cheeks hurt from non-stop grinning through eps 17 & 18. Gah, this show is giving me diabetes!
Sigh. How can I get over this drama when it’s so honest, pure and innocent? 🥰🥰🥰
I love my kisses BUT I especially liked the whole car conversation all the way through. 🥰🥰🥰
I thought that line where DJ said ‘I’m probably the only romantic relationship you’ll ever have your whole life so whatever other young girls have then My Zhizhi needs to have it too’ reminds me so much of that conversation of WeiWei and XN where he said if she ever goes off track, he will put her back on the right one. Something like that. 😍😍😍
Back to rewatching!!! 🥰🥰🥰
Oh there’s a missing dialogue before that, ‘I’ll court you every day.’ 🥰
@agdr03 – yes – that’s a great parallel with XN’s commitment to WeiWei after the accusations of unfaithfulness that were levelled at her!
The episodes fly by.
I am appreciating the acting skills of ZL in particualr – she brings a freshness and realism, at times, that raises the game of people around her.
The vulnerable way she plays SZ works so well for this show.
It’s a bit risky bringing SZ back home to work in the bedroom of DJ’s flat at this early stage in their dating.
DJ’s protective care for her is in tension with other things on his mind now!
He reassures that she shouldn’t worry about being in the bedroom ‘what are you thinking?’ he teases.
Then, I was a little surprised – in the context of this show – that he pushed her back onto the bed and asked if she wanted more excitement.
I think that was teasing, but also highly risky behaviour at that point especially in view of his attraction to her.
He is assuming he can control himself. My feeling is that his protectiveness towards her would include taking things slow. But perhaps that isn’t the way the author wants to spin this?? He is a young man after all and won’t always get everything perfectly right.
She pushes him away. He talks about physical contact being natural because they are a couple. She shares vulnerably about being nervous with him. He respond with understanding and adds: ‘ we’ll see how things go’
Just pondering about the way the show is now depicting their blossoming relationship and what that blossoming will entail.
Some parallels again with Love 020 here.
@Kate, it reminded me of that time when XN told WeiWei to grow up hurriedly when she asked if he wanted some oysters. 😆
They took their time in getting intimate too (XN especially) and that famous hickey. 🥰
Yes, that was purely teasing from DJ. But I’m glad he still knew his boundaries.
I really like that it’s all about firsts with this couple. 😍
Spoiler. I’m laughing at the head pointing to show direction to someone as flirting. 😂
DJ’s jealousy was cute too. I need to find it. 😂
CTO!
https://twitter.com/risti_ic/status/1675875863299239936?s=46&t=BT0tHWWRRX1rx64As5f8XQ
Oh it’s there. 😂
@agdr03 – great memories of Love 020.
Similarly to Love 020 – for me there is an unrealism about two young people in love spending all that time indoors in the vicinity or in a bedroom.
But I will accept the screenwriter’s confidence in her characters! LoL
And it does allow and them to enjoy easy time together in so many sweet ways – ways that would not be possible if we only saw them in restaurants/ catching soft toys in claw machines/in cinemas.
@Kate, Jia Xu does make it clear to Sang Zhi (and us viewers) that despite his being five years her senior, he’s inexperienced when it comes to romance. Women may have chased him, but he was too busy with school and work to date. He also never encountered a woman who caught his interest. He’s a novice in this budding relationship, so it wouldn’t surprise me that he doesn’t fully understand himself, his emotions, and his physical response when close to her. Hormones are powerful! He may be as surprised as anyone when his Naughtysaurus is unleashed. Rawrrr!
@Welmaris… that last comment made me guffaw!! Good point.
I’m now in good mood for work!
@Kate, it’s a holiday here today: the 247th anniversary of the upstart colonists telling King George III, “You’re not the boss of me!”
AAAAAAAAAh!! Haha… I had forgotten!! How could I forget @Welmaris?!
Happy 4th of July!
I may try ‘Our Secret’ the next time there is a long wait between episodes… it stars Chen Zhe Yuan, the ML in ‘Hidden Love’ and has good reviews on Viki:
https://www.viki.com/tv/38553c-our-secret
I’ve caught up with Hidden Love and find it hard to locate the newest releases. The streaming site I’d been using kept bouncing me to the start of Episode 16, so I had to go to another site yesterday to access Episodes 17 & 18. I watched to stay current with the story, but was frustrated due to low picture resolution, frequent stops for buffering, and picture + sound sometimes being out of sync. In comparison, the video quality of HL on Netflix is outstanding, and it seems the subtitles are superior, as well. I rewatched the first episode on Netflix and found viewing much more fulfilling than my first run through, but I’m not sure I can wait to finish the story on Netflix, since its release schedule lags behind the original release dates.
Oh… I may try watching on Netflix @Welmaris… or at least re-watching for the full experience.
Just to settle in and enjoy it fully.
Happy 4th of July to BOD who celebrate!!
I’m at episode 4 now!! I have so much to catch up!! I’m watching with family, so I can’t go faster and it’s 2 episodes per day. I have finished the Netflix ones and am not keen on the less than desired quality.
@agdr03 & @kate,
I’m enjoying this actor ChenZheYuan, and adding Mr Bad + Our Secret in my wishlist to watch. He has a hint of Yangyang with that sharp chin of his and that centre parting hair suits him perfectly.
I’m so looking forward to the confession scene. Honestly now being at the earlier episodes, I found that they kinda made SangZhi really very cutesy and young. Then again, those scenes about having crushes at that age is so real, SangZhi keeping every item that has connection with DuanJiaXu brings back memories 😛 😛 😛
Catch up with all the comments and episodes soon enough I hope!
@Grace – I think Chen Zhe Yuan is blooming in this role – at his most beautiful – I agree re the hairstyle.
Do enjoy the journey – I galloped through a little too quickly as usual!
Ep 19 – of all the internships in all the towns in the world…!
Hi @grace, I have started but have not had much chance or energy to continue watching Mr Bad. Let me know when you start watching it!
@Kate, I see what you did there! “…She walks into mine.” I find it stretches my belief when people can meet for only a few moments in dramas, then remember each other’s faces long after. Sang Zhi’s superior at her internship wasn’t even the person with whom Sang Zhi faced off, but the by-standing acquaintance.
Episode 20 had tension, yet I smiled though it because brother and sister were so in character. The post-fight squabbling of the two friends, shown in the coda, was also funny, especially in light of the earlier scene (but later in the story timeline) when Sang Zhi asked if they’d treated their wounds.
Is it just my laptop? I couldn’t get the subs on the streaming site I was in. 😭
I tried to put the subs etc, usually it’s automatic but I’ll just check it again later. 😢
Can you try another streaming site, @agdr03? Also, make sure when you you’re looking for the episode, you include “English sub” in the search query.
I did try 3 streaming sites. 🙁
Okie! I’ll make sure to put that when I watch it later @Welmaris! Thank you! 😘
@Welmaris – thanks for picking up the reference! That was exactly what I meant. Talk about a plot stretch!
Hope you get it sorted soon @agdr03!
@agdr03 – I had the same problem – weirdly the subs came up on my phone but not went I tried to cast to the tv although it was the exact same stream.
Thanks @Good Twin for letting me know. At least I know it wasn’t just my laptop. I don’t use my mobile for streaming sites. ☺️
@Kate, we’re going out for a bit then hopefully I can watch when we get back. Thank you! ☺️
@grace, the confession scene may have been a typical confession of a boy asking a girl if he can pursue her to be his girlfriend but it felt so real to me. All the feels and that nervousness from SZ said it all. 🥰
Can you imagine having that one long crush to actually say he wants you to be his girlfriend? 😍
I think I’d have a totally different life if one of my crushes did that. 😄
I’m liking the scriptwriters’ work on this show. Although it’s a dramatic turn to have a stalker wannabe-girlfriend go out of her way to confront her rival, in this show it played out intelligently. The stalker wasn’t so belligerent she physically
attacked Sang Zhi, and Sang Zhi wasn’t so rattled by the encounter that she lost her ability to reason. Sang Zhi was also able to conclude that the stalker was using the tragic situation caused by Jia Xu’s father as a means of bullying Jia Xu. Very clear thinking! I understand why Sang Zhi didn’t disclose this encounter to Jia Xu, although I wish they could be fully transparent with each other. SZ knows JX would have a strong negative reaction and might take action that makes the situation worse.
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I’m on Episode 23 and getting ‘Something in the Night’/ ‘Pretty Noona who buys me lunch’ vibes.
I really feel for DJ who certainly lives with the results of his Dad’s behaviour in so many ways.
I understand the concern of SZ’s parents re DJ’s family. But they have also welcomed him into their home and made him an adjunct part of the family. Here is the parallel with ‘Something in the Night’ where everyone was close until the relationship started to develop between the leads. He was not considered suitable because of his family background.
Anyway, back to ‘Hidden Love’ – DJ has a quiet dignity about him that is moving. He has had that quiet dignity for many years even though he is only 26.
I am also impressed with SZ and her stalwart support for him.
DJ is strong but fragile because of what he has been through.
SZ is fragile/young etc but very strong and determined on the inside.
Everyone is concerned about her. She sees DJ and his need for affirmation and consistency.
Correction, I meant ‘Something in the Rain’ – with Son Ye-Jin and Jung Hae-In – one of my top faves!
I couldn’t watch episode 25 because the subs were terrible – interesting in a terrible way since it gives insight into the decisions a human translator makes vs a machine. I may watch it later. For me the scene at the airport after the visit with the parents was the heart of this drama. It could have ended there but it was nice to see some loose ends resolved. The brother/sister relationship could be its own drama. The brother was great at showing grumpy love to his pest of a younger sister. Unless I misunderstood the banter among the brother and his roommates, there seems to be an allusion to a pregnancy involving the brother. He knew an awful lot about childbirth planning…. Maybe it was clarified in episode 25?
@GoodTwin – so agree re the scene at the airport (24).
Another iconic airport scene.
Or I should say terrible in an interesting way regarding the subs.
Ep 25 –
What a moving scene with DJ talking to his (comatose) Dad in hospital. I’ve got the shivers having watched it.
*Ep 24* not Ep 25-
Such a strong and moving episode. So well acted by both our leads and the actor playing the ML does incredibly well here. A mature performance.
I just finished Episode 21 and have started Episode 22. @agdr03, I had trouble finding a link to stream Ep. 21 in good quality with English subtitles. The first link I clicked on had the video proportions wrong: everything, including subtitles, was stretched tall. Changing my screen resolution didn’t correct the problem. The second link I tried from the same streaming site, which claimed to have English subtitles, did not. The third link I tried from the same streaming site had English subtitles but only allowed me to view in a grainy 480p. So I gave up on that streaming site and tried an entirely different one. Problems solved!
Episode 21: the Mr. and Mrs. mugs! And I’m still loving the sister-brother-boyfriend/friend dynamic.
Episode 22 (as far as I’ve watched): I like how Sang Zhi’s parting words to her superior revealed she knew she was not being solely judged on her job performance, and that that was out of line. She’s right: the best thing stalker’s friend can do is help her bestie get professional mental health.
Yes Kate – the scene at the hospital was beautiful (having recently lost a beloved parent I couldn’t help wonder if in irl there would be some guilt associated with his choice of last words ). But it was very well written and acted. He told his dad what he had squandered, how much suffering it caused but that he had also learned valuable lessons and grown through it. I also appreciated the scene outside the hospital too.
@Good Twin – ditto – that scene was also very moving.
Good evening, the screenwriter of Hidden Love is Shen Fei Xian, a Chinese mainly best known for “Love O2O” (https://mydramalist.com/people/50119-fei-xian-shen) … that’s why you found some similarities.
I am finding the subs very poor quality from around 10/15 mins into Episode 25. Perhaps they were done in a rush?
I just finished all the episodes including the special interview with behind-the-scene footages last night (what’s sleep?!) and wow! Still got me amazed by how the production pulled off the novel in a way that made all the ordinary scenes of a couple become so touching and on-point. First, I commend Zhao Lusi’s acting in the series… I think she really made Sang Zhi’s character as real as it could get. I loved her confession at the airport, finally admitting her long-kept secret just to assure her loved one. DJX’s character deserved all the love, it was so heart breaking to see him cry when his dad finally passed away after many years of struggle. When he said: “Am I really that old? Wh y don’t I have my mom and dad anymore?” — I cried.
Every part of the drama is on point. I love the family dynamics, especially the sibling banter. I loved her friends at school who became such a support system for her. I even love the antagonists in the story… and how Sang Zhi dealt with such unreasonable people. She defended herself and stood up for DJX in ways that did not lack understanding for the other parties involved. When she was confronted by Jiang Ying, she knew the guilt-tripping is out of line yet she reasoned with the girl while controlling her emotions. I think that’s what the girl needed to face reality. I also loved when she said goodbye to her superior at her internship. She knew it was unfair to be judged and treated because of personal reasons but she calmly told her truth without outing Jiang Ying to her friend completely and blaming her.
I think this drama will stay with me for a long, long time. And I will recommend it to anyone who wants to try CDramas for the first time.
I’m crying my way through Episode 24 right now. Jia Xu trying to present himself to Sang Zhi that he’s okay after his father’s passing, then dissolving in grief in her comforting arms is top-level storytelling. It rings so true, loss being mixed with denial, sadness, fear, and acceptance. Jia Xu’s words opened the scar in my own heart: ” Am I really getting old now? Why are my parents no longer here?” My parents were both in their 90s, and me into my my sixth decade when I lost them, and I still wrestle with that question.
I’m glad that Jia Xu clearly spoke his mind to his father, was honest about the pain and resentment he suffered because of his father’s poor choices, yet didn’t stop loving his flawed father. As for his father hearing the message, and dying after his son said he could rest, that scene may have some fact to it. People who have woken from comas have attested that they were able to hear and understand what was going on around them, even though they couldn’t respond. And recent studies have shown that hearing is the last sense to remain with dying person. Also, since the 19th century, physicians have documented instances of terminal lucidity (colloquially called rallying): when, before death, a patient with a severe psychological or neurological disorder has an return of mental clarity or regains consciousness. And by telling his father he could rest, Jia Xu assured his father he had things covered, so his father can stop fighting. Hospice workers write about the kindness of telling a dying loved one, “You may go when you feel it is time. I will be okay.”
@Welmaris, so true about speaking to a person who’s unconscious. I feel it happened for my dad as well. He had to hear that the people around me and I had everything covered before he could let go for his long deserved rest. *sob*
Has anyone else here ever heard of found poetry? It’s created when you take snippets of conversation you overhear, then stitch them together in poem form. Well, let me introduce you to a variation: Bad Subtitles Poetry. From the enigmatic Episode 25, I give you…
[SPOILERS]
The words of the environment.
Is that our dream world?
Slow down, starving ghost reincarnates.
I’m all hungry.
Come all the way to be the main course for me.
Just take it as a windbreaker for you.
You hang those little girls every day.
I am chased all over the world.
You are no longer that.
And money flies.
Let him catch the wind together.
Here comes the short paragraph.
I don’t drink me.
Me and only only together.
She always wanted to keep me behind.
Duan praised the bully.
There I love him.
Only good for a lifetime.
Follow me and her mother.
Short paragraph.
The most worrying also.
Hope can only be happy.
Neither is the point.
Why only so good.
Also forget to have one.
You as a boy.
Can you live a little harder.
She will go to heaven.
And the kind that can’t come down.
My parents grew up.
Your sister is called a parent.
Anyway, every time I am called a parent.
In fact, I just want to secretly.
Making sure.
Best segment kudos.
Am I not a new project recently?
Pull hook?
Hook.
To change is to be a big fool.
Let the proprietress take care of you in the future.
Why don’t you come back.
Information about your boyfriend.
A mouthful of dog food.
I came here specially for a change of suit.
Wait me back.
My girlfriend is patting me.
Just this position
A little blocked.
Leadership at the University of Iowa.
If you tell me to stop, just stop.
Want me to be normal.
Immediately separated.
If there is no you in the future.
I’m not used to what to do.
Thank you in a moment.
You have to drink water to get it yourself.
It turns out that lovers are loved.
It’s because of you.
I found out the original.
It was you who made me suddenly.
Would love to try it out.
I have nothing.
Anything else I can give you.
Only six words.
Lifetime.
One person.
I hope you can.
Be a witness of these six words.
But it’s time to witness.
It will be a little long.
I want to use it for a lifetime.
Kiss one. Kiss one.
Kiss one. Kiss one.
This kind.
There is a feeling of a person in my heart.
Fine.
In my show.
Before your liking.
I secretly like you.
OMG a hysterical! Bravo! Good news – I think we’re safe from our AI overlords at least for a minute. I’m translating the last two lines as I liked you first.
Bad subtitles poetry!!! Hilarious! That has cheered me up for the day.
@GOod Twin and @Welmaris,
Emotionally Episode 24 was very close to home for me as well.
Beautifully expressed and not the usual cliches.
It was when DJ’s Dad’s finger moved to signal hearing that I got the shivers!
The timing of that conversation and the fact that his Dad seemed to be waiting for it before he died. Very moving.
@Welmaris!!! 👏🏻😂
But this one scared me though – you hang those little girls everyday. 😱
I’m about to watch it now. I hope the subs are good now. 🙏🏼
I’m looking forward to my kisssssseessss. 🥰🥰🥰
@Welmaris LOLOLOL. My subs were not good but NOT THAT BAD!!!
Short Paragraph is DJX if that’s any help. 🤣 😇
@agdr03, kisses quite satisfying in Ep 25 😍 🥰 😘
@pkml3 just leaving a note to you here on amending the number and date for the next Liar Game thread. I left you a message on that thread that is wrongly numbered Ep 8. It should be Ep 9. Thanks!!
Welcome to the blog, @Ai.
Sorry for the delay in approving your post; I was traveling.
I am still rewatching episodes 20-24. The subs for episode 25 is still not great so I’ll watch it when it’s fixed.
I might give my highlights for each episode once Netflix has uploaded all of them. 🙂
I thought it was funny how DJ and SY knew how upset SZ will be once she finds out that they’ve had physical fight and so it has to be even. hahaha
Lusi is just getting better and better. Her crying scenes are spot on. I have to say the same for CZY. They were really insync and that’s why the scenes were so touching. I used a few tissues.
I haven’t watched the special after episode 25, I’ll watch it later. 🙂
Hi @pkml3, I find that my comments no longer trigger the email notifications. It’s strange since my notifications are on for all my posts. Perhaps it’s a change in a set up somewhere? Please check if you can and thank you!!!
Aren’t they cute? 🥰
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Hi Again @pkml3, I hope you get to see this post. It’s been about 2 days now and the notification emails from BOD have gone silent. Please check if there’s a setting that can revert the notifications to the way they were. Thanks!
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Will do, @GB. Will look at it on my laptop when I get to my hotel this evening (or in 12 hours). I think Jetpack messed up something. So sorry. ☹️
Thanks for responding @pkml3!! No need to apologise. It’s a relief to know that I’ve been read!
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Hi @pkml3, I’m sad to say that I’m still not getting any emails from this site. I’ve checked my browser settings too, but have no clue what could have switched off notifications.
Oh, BTW @pkml3, please revise the start time for the Liar Game 2 thread for The Final Stage, happening this Saturday. We’re going to start 1 hour earlier than normal because this finale is a 2 hour 14 minute movie!
Thanks!
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Got it, @GB.
Hi @GB,
I couldn’t find your email on the list of subscribers/followers. (I swear I didn’t remove your name, though!!!) I saw the usual folks, like Welmaris, agdr03, WEnchanteur, OldAmericanLady, Fern, and Kate but I couldn’t find both your email address and poster name.
I DID however manually enter your name just a few minutes ago. But in case that solution doesn’t work, would you mind re-subscribing to the blog? Let’s see if that will do the trick. Thanks.
I occasionally remove followers who I suspect to be spammers or nuisance posters. For instance, I weed out non-drama blogs linking to this sight since I don’t care much about the blog’s traffic. But I haven’t done any clean-up lately because I’ve been too busy to go through the list of subscribers.
I don’t know what triggered the disappearance/removal of your email. WordPress has this new partnership with Jetpack and I was informed that the transfer of data was going to seamless. I guess it wasn’t so seamless if the blog lost one of the more prolific contributors with 9,348 approved posts. Sigh.
Hello my dear @pkml3, thank you so much for checking for me and not to worry. Maybe the 9,348 posts sounded like I’ve been spamming the site like a crazy bitch LOL. 🤣 Wow, even I’m impressed by that number of posts! I know I wrote longish ones but not that I posted so many.
Thank you for approving all my nonsense! 🥹 😂
Tech and I have a love-hate relationship. I try to love it since I have to be on it most of the time, but now and then it throws up spanners that hit me in the head. My nice big screen computer has had a cloudiness covering the screen for months now and I’m now treading cautiously with having to connect 2 laptops to an external harddisk so that I can continue work and watch my dramas, while sending the big PC for repair. The hardest part was deciding what to backup and what to delete because it seems everything has to be reformatted *sigh*.
I’ll see how I can re-subscribe… usually the option to click ‘Subscribe’ also comes in an email and if I don’t get any email, I cannot click the option…. so…. let me find those previous Subscription emails and see if I can just click on them again.
I’ll report back here. 😅 Catch you later!
Hmmm… @pkml3, it may be that WordPress is just blocking me or something. I can see that I’m subscribed to BOD but when I posted a comment on the Liar Game 2 Finale thread, no email came up to let me confirm the subscription.
On WordPress itself, I couldn’t get the login page to re-login. Sadly troubling….
I’m dead!! I’ve watched till episode 15 and he is such a green flag!! “Can I woo you?” *screams*
I’m loving episode 15.
Sorry, this is not connected to the 113 comments before this but stopping by to say this is such a fun watch I want to savour it. I love the little expressions they both have in between the sentences they say. (Not like King the Land with the excessive use of boring slow-mo). They aren’t talking fast but taking time to think and then the little smile you see showing up as a response to the other person’s words.
Rightfullly a 9.2 on MDL
@Grace – loving your comments!
He is a green flag indeed!! Top boyfriend material.
@grace, I’m savouring it too! 🥰 Maybe too much? 😂
Yes! That 9.2 in MDL! They deserve it.
I’m not even sure when I’ll be over this drama but as long as I’m happy? 😄
I am watching on netflix and had a few questions. Can anyone help me out here?
-is it dubbed in chinese? are those the actors real voices? I know cdramas often are.
-are yihe and nanwe real cities/based on real cities? google did not help me here. where’s it supposed to be set?
-is giving a red envelope with just a note or jellybeans a thing? i thought red envelopes were for money from elders?
-why does everyone in cdramas have to be good at basketball? is that a requirement to be a ML? I find the basketball scenes like the truck of doom in kdramas
-when did she give him the tie? i missed that scene I think!
I have no idea what I am going to be able to watch next. Didn’t expect a cdrama to make a list of my all time faves, but it will definitely be on there and I’ve still got three episodes left.
Welcome to Bitches, @Questions.
I’ve only watched until Ep 8 so my memory is still fresh.
By tie, did you mean the necktie? I don’t know how many neckties she gave him but one was introduced in Ep 6. Timestamp: 25:40. She intended to give it to him as a graduation gift.
However, she gave it to him in Ep 7. At the airport, after she mistook his female colleague for his girlfriend. She ended up giving the necktie in a box as a goodbye present, along with the teddy bear that he won for her at the claw machine.
He gave
I’m transferring @Fern’s comment here because I haven’t done my write-up on Ep 7, and others may want to put in their 2 cents.
Please don’t wait for my posts. I’m focusing on “Silent” Ep 1 now. 🙂
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@packmule3, this is a question about the episode 7 airport scene, so it probably might need to go there if an episode 7 thread is opened.
Spoiler:
DJ has met up with SZ, who had run away to Yihe to meet her online (imaginary) boyfriend. I was wondering why DJ, who is so perceptive about some things, didn’t pick up on the fact that the contents of SZ’s backpack – too small for any clothing – were two significant things for HIM: the tie and the polar bear that he won and gave to her with the words ‘Don’t cry anymore.’
DJ looks at the tie and quickly at the one he is wearing which seems almost identical. He accepts her implication that the polar bear is a spontaneous gift, yet both were planned. Because she was returning a gift, SZ was saying good bye to him in a final way, not see you later. The French say it better: ‘adieu’ rather than ‘au revoir’. Might he have thought that the tie was for the online boyfriend but re-gifted to him? That she brought the stuffed bear for comfort, but decided to give it to him?
He gave her such a funny look when she said, ‘You don’t have to say that to me anymore’ (about listening to her parents and not letting this affect her studies). I thought from his look that he was displeased and insulted, and he said, “What?” as though he was wanting some explanation. But she produced the bear at that moment and solemnly wished him happiness every day. In this moment I felt that she was the older of the two. She gave him a toy and he waved goodbye to her with it.
I get that DJ was called away from work at a stressful time and that he was a bit unwell with a cold. He was tasked by the Sang family with getting SZ back on a plane to home and he may have been keen to get back to his workplace. These things and his disappointment in her may have clouded his perception.
It was so sad and ironic that all of the questions and words about the online boyfriend were unwittingly about himself. ‘He doesn’t like me. He thinks I’m too young.’ The presence of the woman messed up SZ’s intentions for the visit. I wondered if, on another day, DJ would have figured it out.
bad subtitles poetry and Naughtysaurus made me entire week 🙂
Also regarding episode 7. Did you see this? Rosie’s tears made Victor Ma cry as well.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8QZYiZ6eoUI
I saw that too @Fern. ☺️
Rosie’s cry was so heartfelt. 🙁 She really showed how heartbroken SZ was. I cried when I was watching that. 😢 I’ll probably be a mess if I was there with Rosy just like Victor.
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Yippeee!!
This thread is OPEN too STILL
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My other 10 / 10 C-Drama Love – First LOVE.
It’s SO SO special.
Because if it wasn’t for HIDDEN LOVE, the world of C-Drama would have remained the Dark Continent ~ unexplored and completely MY LOSS.
It’s the Show that raised the curtain for me on C-Drama, FINALLY, last August.
For almost THREE YEARS (May 2020 to July 2023) I WATCHED nothing but KDrama ..
Flicking rapidly past ALL C-Drama with no patience for the “plastic” look it seemed to have (cf to most of the quality Kdramas).
Plus the 1 or 2 that I did press play, for a few minutes, left me dead-fish-cold .. shuddering at the ‘fake – flake’ impression it oozed (some of the C-Dramas DO that undoubtedly ;-p )
And then one fine day I kept browsing past this new C-Drama on Netflix, which I kept mistaking for a KDrama (how d’ya like dem apples LOL) and pausing for the trailer to play out in full .. It GOT my eyeballs FOR sure .. And I thought OK lemme give this a try .. it looks yummy at first glance.
AND since then there has been NO looking back for me. It’s been C-Drama ALL the WAY since then ..
I AM SO SO SO SO HAPPY to see ALL the LOVE for the Drama out here .. I feel validated to have found those who treasure it for the gem it is 😀
Why am I feeling so emotional .. Well 2 evenings ago I was terribly triggered (it happens even to the most nonchalant and cynical) by a MOST ridiculous, shallow, single-minded “woke” sermonising on the “NEGATIVE messaging” the show had given out ..
An all out RANT about the Drama as advertising and encouraging pedophilia !!!!!
It was the FIRST time I heard a reasonably adult, ‘media expert’ dole out a bag of accusations that was based on viewing JUST 2 eps!!
Anyway I got my ‘bile’ out back on the video comment section.
HIDDEN LOVE awaits my rewatch (been storing it up like candy for a rainy day) and I shall enjoy traipsing through all these delish comments episode wise that too
THANK YOU for keeping the thread open.