@Pm3. The drama is great, but in my whole list of dramas, I prefer to warn: it’s one of the most harsh about sadness, injustice, and difficulties the characters meet. But it’s also what makes it great. It seems they always have a mountain to face, and any step they do forward, it’s two steps they are pushed backward.

The nice thing about it: I have the real screenplay! Yep, the one from the writer, and I’m working for a protocol to translate it the “most” accurately possible with GrokAI.

Hi @WE, thanks very much for your continued ‘battle’ 😣😫😤🤬🤯🥵😱🫩 with GrokAI to get a good translation. I hope your nerves are still strong and not shattered by all that fierce struggle 😂

I think I actually bought the Healer script with CD set but it’s in hardcopy and in Korean. And no, I would not want to do battle with that script, no matter how much I like that show. I still find Healer the best in terms of the mix of action, tension/suspense, pathos, comedy, plot movement, relationship building, balance between a couple, cool hero moves and sweet romance. The villain was the weak link and while some people did not like the cheesy music, I loved it and still do.

I’d be very interested in the Signal script. I’m still waiting for Signal 2 which is supposed to air in the first quarter or first half of next year. That one I’ll watch and I believe we planned to rewatch it as well for our party. All these shows that we’re watching now are sort of a way to kill time as we wait for Signal 2, so I really hope it lives up to my hopes and expectations.

I trust you had a nice break from fighting with Grok and can get some rest!!! 🥱🫩😴🤤😁

Hi, so everything I did was for nothing, lot of complication using external RAM of AI when the performance wasn’t the issue, as I have 128k tokens allowed. I changed that to focus on translation instructions. Now I’m the closest of something ok, even if AI still do stupid errors like not deleting all tabs. This translation is more difficult than the previous I did, because the writer often do long sentences. And maybe I’m a bit perfectionnist and ask more perfection, ahah!!

I did an update in the shared folder, with two first episodes.
I’ll do the rest over time.

@GB: I have the original screenplay of healer, but my previous translation wasn’t good at all (made with googletrad). I’m sure I could get something good with GrokAI. I just have to change few things in my current instructions to adapt to the format. I couldn’t translate Signal because of the format, but now with GrokAI, should be possible. I’ll need some time to do that.

I translated again W with GrokAI (after I did I hear your voice), and the translation was really better than the first one (google doc), but alas, I realize now, not perfect. AI added too much concision, because somehow I asked to do it (in a moderate way). But AI easely understand wrong, and overdid it.

The hype for Signal 2 is here!! I’m so curious to read Signal 1 screenplay now, like the trepidant scenes at end of episode 1. How she did it?!! Well, I’m too curious, I’ll open a new project at test Ep1 translation. 😉

@GB, done! I modified protocol for Signal and translated episode 1.
I put that in the shared folder for now, so you can download it.
Korean is a bit crazy, there are almost no commas, so I use a rule saying to break sentences, else the translation isn’t readable (it adds endless and… and… and…)
Now I don’t ask for concision anymore, to be sure to get all. I even keep temporal transition, short in korean, but making “at this moment” in english. Episode 1 is really loud about text, 87k chars for one hour, while it’s 66k for RWotS.
I tried to read the scenes I was looking for, but aghhhh, I forgot so I’d need to rewatch them while reading the script.

Hi @IB, I was snoozing a bit but my alarm went off.

I read the script for Ep 1 that @WE kindly translated and put up in the Google Drive.

Hi @WE, I just realised that I read the first half of the episode only. So I’ll be watching more than usual.

Hi Everyone, let’s start our party with R:WotS NOW!!!

I am here. Hello everyone

Hello @MM! Glad you can join us today!

@WE, I thought the script and what we see on the screen is pretty close. That’s why in the end I did not watch it again.

I should have though, because the 2nd half has more scenes that I skipped.

Me too . I had to fight off clingy children! age 29!!!!!

Hi @GB, @MM, @WE & @IB.

So the opening scene is just a dream, so much tension.

Hi MM

The two first scenes are a big hook.
First one set the situation and the tone.
Second one the dramatic peak, then–

It’s 4 years before.

About this 2 scenes solution. My kdrama W2 has that. So I’m happy to see it in big writers script.
At first I used only the second one (dramatic) looking like a movie opening. But it feels too rushed according to feedback. Then I inserted a scene before.

am a bit behind, snow on the dish.

Interesting twist on the idea of leaving behind memories. lost memories but for him inserted memories and even more uncertainty about who he is.

@GB, yes all scrit I translated until now shows that screenplay is always closest as possible in kdramas (not the case for western movies).
The point is to see how the writer did, visual order and details mentionned as priority, as well as what important to put in parenthesis.

One detail missed in the script in scene two: they put something on th father head so he can’t see. It should be the usual process for execution, the director added it. But should have been in the script.

The last “No!!”, is not in the scene as it is in the script, it’s the reaction of JW after he wakes up. Looks like a director choice because at least the script would have put the “No!!” in a voice-over PRELAP.

I keep getting thrown by the fact that this memory loss is not like the dementia I witnessed so I keep wanting to ‘google’ something… and find out what other organic brain dysfunction it could be.

@SD, the father is suffering from Alzheimer’s disease.

Maybe the actor can’t whistle.

Ah e get to see the young Park Min Young. I like her here and in Healer. Her face seems rounder and sweeter.

@WE, so the prostitute should have been given a name in the Script.

@GB, I always thought Alzheimer’s patients will have some psychomotor issues. The father’s symptoms confuse me.

Then it’s messy, scenes aren’t in the same order of the script, probably for better transition and focus on characters.

This scene:
#14. LAW SCHOOL LECTURE HALL / MORNING
Is delayed or just canceled.

Park Min Yang is pretty here. Always a convincing actress.

@SD I also struggle with understanding what kind of memory loss he has.

The synapsis says Altzeimers which in the senes about the phones fit but then the loss about the crime is catastrophic. Does he have a psychogenic memory loss on top of an organic one?

We get the introduction of the theme of wrongful accusation, beginning first with Lee In Ah’s irresponsible accusation against Jin Woo.

What she and JW say about the slash theft applies to the real crime that JW’s father is going to be wrongfully accused of.

Hi SD,
It depends of writers. I’m happy to see sounds in this script because it’s punchy when you read.
Myself I use lot lot of sounds.
Some writers don’t use, or use them as a “verb” and capitalized. Here I fighted to remove that in the translation (AI wanted to translate like that), to reproduce the exact style: Sound + Verb of the action.
Some writers prefers put sounds at end of sentence (so AI is painful and want to translate that way), while I almost always put sound at the start.

I like how the drama introduces the lawyer with his crime connections—back tatoo!

@GB
Oh, that is why the bus incident occurs. I didnt understand it as a characterization of LIA.

We see how Park Dong Ho starts his relationship with the Prosecutor Tak.

And we get to know what kind of jerk Nam Gyu Man is. And also his relationship with his ‘Secretary’ who is actually his school friend, Ahn Soo Beom.

@IB, the bus scene was a good and well designed scene to introduce or go further into several things: In Ah, what she learns about being a good lawyer/prosecutor, JW’s memory and the man themes on memory and wrongful accusation.

Here a big change in this scene:
#35. PIG SOUP RESTAURANT (AFTERNOON)

TAK PROSECUTOR: Humanity. With that much money and power, you’d expect proper family education to make manners second nature. But that guy’s DNA must be flawed… he just acts on his impulses. His company’s legal team even has a dedicated accident response unit.

The script didn’t do it, but it was made later, by the director OR the ultimate revision of the script we don’t have. Many INSERT were added to see visually this looooong line that is expo in dialogue, kinda boring or confusing.

@GB, you are so good at connecting the dots.

There seems to be an emphasis on trot music. Fortunately Jung Ah could sing it but that didn’t save her.

It’s surprising to see actor Lee Si Un in this drama and in such a role. (the guy is Soo-Bong in W, I really like this actor)

(I am here but technical stickiness and delays means that as soon as a refresh is done I start to read you all and end up behind again. Enjoying the conversation but cant be in it today)

@SD, perhaps what we are seeing is a handy mix of Alzheimer’s and dementia so that dad forgets different things at different times as suits the plot.

@IB, just watch first and read later. LOL.

@WE I like this actor too.

@MM yes this is a very packed episode.

I’m at the place where poor Dad is lost. He’s literally and figuratively in the woods. Panic makes him lose consciousness and forget how to work his phone.

At the phone shop he cannot even remember that he’s bought the phone before… twice already??? He’s certainly very ill.

@IF, how do you find him physicaly? Attractive? Handsome? Or “well not for me but good guy?”.

I noticed the background music are good on this drama. I found the full record on Youtube but alas (again!!), somme of the best BGM are missing on the record. It’s so frustrating.

We will grow to hate Nam Gyu Man, he is so well acted by Nam Gong Min. Good looking, good complexion, icy cold in his response, piercing in his remarks, cruel without remorse.

@GB, oh! who is the “Namgoong” one you are talking about?
I’m hooked now but have no idea who it is and in what drama this guy would be abominable, but of course I want to know!!

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:
SO, it starts, our endless suffering starts now.
Endless injustice, sadness and plot-twists making things worst. This drama is such a perfect and great suffering. 🙂

@GB, I did not watch many of Nam Goong Min’s dramas. Does he repeat his acts? Lol that makes him a lousy actor.

@IF, let’s not forget how he’s miserable, such a piece of cowardly shit when he has to face his father. THE PERFECTION!! 😀

@GB, Alzheimer’s is considered a type of dementia (there is also vascular dementia, frontal lobe dementia, some others).

@WE, yes yet so cowardly in the presence of his father.

@GB, oh yeah, but the actor did also lot of positive roles, like the drama about baseball team director.

Now, we have another role we love to hate, the corupted COP. I think I see him in such a role before, don’t remember what;
And of course, the prosecutor Hong Moo-Suk, that is a well known villain in so many dramas we watched (but occasionnaly can be a good one).

The drama also depicts Korean society poorly, when one stumble upon a crime scene it is better to walk away because reporting the crime scene makes one the crime suspect.

@WE yes, many well known faces. This Show is 10 years old, hence I’ve seen them in later shows rather than earlier ones, perhaps. They chose the actors with the ‘right faces’ for the roles ie either they look like villains or good guys and then they may switch places. Some have the in between look and could be either.

@FF, I believe being the first and reporting a crime often puts one in that situation anywhere. I sort of experienced what felt like an interrogation for trying to do a ‘good deed’ of reporting.

@GB, yes sometimes the criminal is the one reporting the crime. The possibility cannot be eliminated.

@MM I don’t know what kind of dementia my friend’s mum had, but she kept mistaking one thing for another. Tried to use the wrong thing as currency to pay for stuff.

Another friend’s parent would regularly wander off and be lost for hours.

@IF, this drama grows on me as well, as I rewatch it. I wasn’t aware about how good it is; I had this perfect ending in my mind, more than sad, but “devastating ending”, and you count on the fingers of one hand the dramas having this kind of great ending.

As an aside, my aforementioned clingy daughter has been bugging me to get hearing aids. Apparently poor hearing can increase risk of dementia.

Wow, it was almost as much fun just to follow the conversation. Thank you everyone.

Especially about the Alzheimers. I like MM’s clarity, a form of alzheimers/dementia but with a psychogenic component re the crime. That helps. Its a bit overdetermined, sonce he is beaten during the ‘interrogation’ and also may have had brain damage during the accident in which JW and he lost the other and older son..

Later on the show settles for some sort of overly dramatic genetically caused early dementia. The level of knowledge re the disease which the show expects in the viewing audience is extremely low, this isnt just suspension of disbelief.
Demographic/historic/cultural diffs in the early teens I expect, vs. the US fixation on the disease in the early 2000s.

@IF, probably. Sacrifice a bit of realism for greater dramatics. The writer is just in charge to make it acceptable.
I was almost a nerd about realism, but I changed my mind over the years. I’m still a nerd about (not realism) but logic. Then, on this too, I would allow a few logic goes away if the dramatic really makes it better.

Bye @IB and everyone. I’ve just read the 2nd part of the script but it’s not yet the end. There’s more to read!!!

See you next week!

@WE, the first drama I saw Namkoong Min in was ‘The Girl Who Sees Scents’. His character was so scarily awful in that. I think I could not bear to watch the final couple of episodes because I was afraid of what he would do. It is that combination of good looks, and in that show, perfect respectability and charisma combined with absolutely no moral compass. And cold, cold, cold.

I must necessarily confess that I have minor blue-green color-blindness. It isnt that I cant tell the primary colors apart but I always get the gradations wrong (is it the names or the contexts which make me say green when others say blue?).

I absolutely love all of the colors in between blue and green even if I dont see them as others do. So I adore, love, am thrilled by the use of blue and green in RWotS, especially as a wash used in background reflections and light. And I will call it a blue-green wash to avoid quarrels.

The present-time night scenes, dusty light scenes etc, use warm greys and this bluish-green tinge in the background. For me it creates sadness without coldness.

In fitting with an almost old-fashioned emphasis on tragic characters, the dramatic backlighting never obscures or cools the warm skin tones. Even in the brittle bronzy decors of the chaebols NM’s olive tones still rule.