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Hi @pkml3! Thanks for the early thread.

BTW, please open a thread for Dynamite Kiss if you can, before you go on vacation.

Have a great Thanksgiving break!
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I am here on standby.

Hi there @FF! I tried to have a nap so that I can keep awake… let’s see how I do!!!

Hi @IB, 1 minute to go!!!

OK, let’s start now!!! As usual a cold open to a desperate Jin Woo.

I worked all the day since 3am on chord progressions to guid SUNO AI to create music. Well the AI makes a large part, but without giving it good harmony first, it makes just crap.

Our Yoo Seung Ho does a good job of looking like a teenager. So hopeful in HD, it tugs at the heartstrings.

@GB, I made a study of all tools needed for making a trailer. But about music, I’m really too much on this when I could generate some awesome tracks, using some models I created ages ago. I’ll post some links when I can. Currently I want to do a long chord progression for a jazz-fusion music, but I have to rework the progression because AI can’t catch it when there are too abrupt modulations. It’s also a problem in the chord transitions I sincerely think. I have to rework! AI could do well first part, and it’s awesome. It’s first time SUNO can play this kind of harmony, else it’s highgly reductive, trained on dumb pop models with 4 chords grids. Unable to create something deeper without human guidance.

Sorry, I talk too much about that, but I’m like a guy driving all the day on a highway at 200mph and coming in a slow driving zone just now. 😀

Hi @MM! Family being less clingy today!

Don’t apologise @WE! What you do is so interesting. We look forward to know what you’ll do next for your passion for drama writing.

@GB, did you listen 80s new wave / coldwave?
If I say “the cure”, “cocteau twins”, “bauhaus” and bands of this kind, it rings a bell?
I ask because I made a song in this style. 😉

I find the vagaries of DH’s character very interesting. In an earlier episode when he rescues the father from the murdered girl’s father and puts his card down he says he will do it for half price.

@ GB no, still clingy but I broke away! I still need to have an ear open for my daughter’s dog.

Something about the cop’s gun. Now the script uses smartly the potential of Jin-Woo about memory, for a trial trap.

I really like his purple suit-just the right amount of flashy!

DOng-Ho finds FL too skinny. 🙂
Hopefully, he didn’t see her in her last dramas.
He would talk about skeletons or angular things. 😀

I love his entrance into the courtroom.

In this episode, factual reveals: the complicated reasons why hongdo decides to take the case, the dad’s diagnosis, the story of the coerced confession.

In Ah, ” the truth prevails over the facts” sounds wrong doesnt it, altho her dad meant the facts as presented by the attorneys? Hongdo knows..”the truth” is whatever the judge says it will be.

Careful framing of Hongdo as a gangsters attorney (more views of the great dragon tattoos (to come), contrasted with the illusion that he will save Jin U’s dad, while wearing blinding white.

@MM Yes, DH (Park Seung Woong) has that particular pizazz about him to carry off suits with tie and pants in clashing colours. He looked like a dandy, yet impressive, and to be taken seriously.

@IB, the colours around DH seem to speak so loudly. His gangster tattoos are well hidden under pristine white. Like an angel to the rescue.

@WE, @IB the question of whether a lawyer can lie. The truth is indeed created by the arguments in court. The truth and the facts need not be aligned. This was something that we heard also in I Hear Your Voice. Hye Sung said something similar to Soo Ha in that drama.

Poor Dad Seo cannot recall that he has bought a new phone for JW several times already. I think at least 4 times?

DH acts like it is easier to defend a guilty person with his known strategies than to defend an innocent person! Scene in interview room with father son and DH.

@MM that’s true about DH and how he wins cases – it’s because he usually deals with guilty parties as clients.

Later in time stamp 39:00 minutes you’ll hear how he wants to be a lawyer defending and protecting an innocent man.

@IB, there is not as much foreshadowing as could be, however we get In Ah giving warning about DH more than once. Instead of foreshadowing, what we get is that DH seems to be the last best hope for young JW, so we are kind of always on tenterhooks about this gangster lawyer … will he be a man of honour or not?

I like the visual of the two men with back tattoos in the sauna! Father and son, Hyungnim and follower.

@IB, yes the choice of wardrobe does bother me… it takes me out of the story because I wonder why they are wearing ‘that’ from time to time.

I find that kdramas always play up how society is so emotional and judgmental, without proper proof… and they get away with it to the detriment of the innocent party.

We get a NGM scene where he keeps touching his face while listening to DH. A sign of his lack of security. He has no self control though. He has destroyed a lot of props.

@WE, but instead of ending next episode, we get 16 more episodes!!! This is just the beginning of the story that has a few twists and turns.

I fancy that the liquor the actors down so easily is just tea made the right colour to look like whiskey or brandy. LOL.

@WE exactly. With the taped admission, the discovery that Jung Ah was at the villa (the RED dress) this should be the usual triumphant-justice drama.

The viewer should know something will go wrong? Because they can sit back from all this really wonderful visual entertainment and count episodes..

oh, this is before pre-production, so of course we are at home on the couch enfamille and discussion will ensue.

@IF, it’s a good thing that we get this episode ending with Dong-Ho and villain father, because we already get an idea that it could turn wrong.

@IB, @FF, we get a quick shot of DH crossing a bridge to an appointment. It’s a beautiful scene with autumn colours surrounding him… but he is crossing over perhaps to the dark side?

@IB… lizard-like indeed!

Now not only DH but JW and IA know that NGM is the real killer. Indeed the trial should end next week… but we see who DH is sitting at table with.

The music changes. Ominous.

@FF we have JW’s desperate and scared face in the beginning and at the end of the episode… bookending it.

And DH’s face, indifferent in the beginning before getting interested and now consorting with the enemy.

yes MM in the rooftop scene DH makes a clear reference to drug use at the villa party.

Gotta go, everyone. Thanks for the party, WE, MM, GB, FF.

@FF, the irony of that bridge crossing only just struck me although I rewatched this ep yesterday. The surroundings were so pretty that I remember that bridge… but whom DH met, spoilt that pretty scene.

@MM great editing wasn’t it? NGM could not tell his father that he was getting a warning/threat for murder at the very moment dad that was telling him to behave. Dad was of course too late to stop his bad behaviour. The other bit of irony is that his own sister is one of the jurors in the case that he is the true criminal of, and she’s right there listening to her father and watching that interview with DH on TV. Both father and daughter are non the wiser yet when the finger DH points, is pointing at them.

@MM, where are you at in the show? I’m going to get a snack and will be back in a bit.

@MM all the best to the father-daughter carpentry exercise. I trust dog is safely tied up.

@MM, yes, this show has nothing if not gold medals for the amount of irony it piles on!

and he expresses fatherly sentiments about his son’s cellphone.

Maybe reading about early Altzeimer’s wil help me understand his dementia.

@MM it appears to foreshadow the suicide indeed, that played into the hands of the bad guys.

DH says how he is envious of HW and his father’s relationship.

another laugh. The tshirt DH is wearing when he is boxing has a huge tatoo emblazoned on the front.

Gold medals for irony! May you sleep well GB, trailing clouds of glory for that one!

@IF Yes the tatoo is on his back but on the front of the tshirt as well. That is what struck me as funny and maybe ironic?

Yup, dogs go whah, whah in some places.

Yes dogs are amazing timekeepers!

I have just learned that I need a hearing aid(old age). I Could not figure why my korean teacher insisted I was saying a certain sound incorrectly. It sounded to me like I was imitating her perfectly. I am hoping a hearing aid will help me better hear the sounds of Korean.

So I am deducing that speakers of different languages actually hear sounds differently and this is why dogs bark differently in different languages!

I know there are some logic plotholes here.☺️

That scene in the ERMOS club made us all feel violently nauseous I am sure. The first time I watched it I didnt pick up that the woman in white was HD’s original girlfriend because I was so upset.

Spot on for dehumanizing women.

My personal view is that NGM wasnt just spoiled, he was seriously damaged and/or born with something missing.

But I think its a brilliant characterization bec he is still portrayed as human, not just as a monster who can be safely dismissed.