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The dates:
Episode 4 – 6 December 2025
Episode 5 – 13 December 2025
Episode 6 – 20 December 2025
Episode 7 – 27 December 2025
Episode 8 – 3 January 2026
Episode 9 – 10 January 2026
Episode 10 – 17 January 2026
Episode 11 – 24 January 2026
Episode 12 – 31 January 2026
Episode 13 – 7 February 2026
Episode 14 – 14 February 2026
Episode 15 – 21 February 2026
Episode 16 – 28 February 2026
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Do you remember the good old times when pop music was good, and when you hear a song on radio, you are so hooked 🤓 that you can’t stop to listen it again and again?
So, I made this “top chart” song on Suno AI !!! 😋
https://suno.com/song/7d20c142-5c11-4d71-a70a-1af07b28c41b
Yeh yeh yeh, I know, you’d say, pwerk! 😫 AI did it. Not exactly. AI is unable to do this kind of song because AI is deeply uncreative, training hard on lot of uncreative songs with 4 poor cliché chords, and producing something even more boring and cliché most of time. So, to get that, on top of a good prompt, it needs to give it first an audio chord progression, that I made on a music software:
Gm7 F#maj7 Fm9 Bb6/9 Emaj9 Ebm7 C7#5 F9sus4 Abm11 F#m9 Emaj13 Bb7sus4 Bmaj7 Ebm7#11 F9sus4 Fm7b9.
See here? No cheating! Reason why AI is reluctant to do that is because there are key modulations (what makes the song beautiful), for example Gm7-F#maj7, or rich jazz harmony. So, over generations, many were garbage because AI changed my chord progression! Removing modulations and changing chords transitions into “obvious ones” in tonality. But on this version, most of the song was executed well.
It’s like I’m composer but not interpreter (other than prompt). I did better prompts since this version, but no way to get the same magic about the whole song.
Lyrics are auto-generated by Suno, reason why: because if I force it to follow lyrics, I’m not sure it can do well all other orders of the prompt, and I prefer let AI doing what fits better for it, to do not errors.
Last part of the song (bridge and outro) was harmony generated by AI (not my chord progression), and you can notice how it’s quite cliché. Then I’ll try check if I can only edit this part in the software.
Reading back over SD’s comments on memory from ep2 —
The oddity of the ending.
Usually parents are remembered by their children, even if their lives arent recorded in any other way.
But there will be no one to remember Seo Jae Hyuk, because his only son will also lose his memory.
That ridiculous ending as if a person with advanced dementia can even dress themselves without aid.
Tragic.
Today, NGM says at the end of the tape that it is his (Seo Jae Hyuk’s) sin, since he is a person who has nothing (implied, that he has to go to jail in NGM’s place because he is defenseless/unable to pay for his defense and without a protector to whom he defers).
Those who have nothing are erased from the permanent record, from others’ memory.
About early onset Altzeimers according to AI. Most commonly diagnosed in someone’s 50s. Can be as young as in the 30s. often familial-genetic mutation.
Morning MoM!
And @WE! Very interesting to follow your efforts to tame AI.
oops, MM.
unintentional.
Hello @IB, @MM, @WE
Hi @SD
Hi EVERYONE!!! We start NOW!!
Hi MM, IF, SD
Hi @GB
Most of the time I do not like starting with a repeat of the last scene of the last episode, but this one hits hard.
It starts with JW seeing the video, with a violin makjang music. And now we see if Dong-Ho betrays now (or later?).
Hey there @SD! Yes we see that things are turning against Jin Woo.
We also get false hope when Dong Ho says no to Old Man Nam. So the heartbreak is going to be more shocking.
We think now. Good foreshadowing, although a bit convoluted, to get your hopes up.
So nice transition with the villain (and poor Lee Si Eon taking all hits), then back to restaurant.
So, Dong-Ho isn’t ready to betray now. We feel like in good shoes… sadic writer. 🙂
Because Park DH says no to Nam, we see the wheels of Nam’s head start turning. He has to approach someone that Park DH cannot say ‘No’ to.
Heheheh @WE, we’re on the same page. Sadism to milk our emotions. I refused to play ball with this writer over this show though. I still shed no tears.
DH threatens SweaterDad with the power of the media. Sdad tries to ‘persuade’ him with $, then must use love (his for Boss Seo) to mask DH comply.
It was the same with Seo Jae Hyuk, the forced confession by threatening to ‘disappear’ JW.
@WE, but we know already that all will not be well since the drama begins with the son meeting the father, still in prison, still on death row. We just do not know how. Is it the lawyer who betrays, is it someone else, why when it seems that all will be resolved and justice will be served, does it fall apart? It keeps up the tension, holding both those things in mind.
Hi GB. Yeah, plan B for the villain family.
Main point here, it’s we feel safe and everything should go all right, ahah.
Scene with Nam and father, it will be lot of fun. ^^
timestamp 8 min
sensation is english loanword haha
money does not buy him but we know filial loyalty does
trust me he says as he tells the 2 young people the trial will be turned
difficult to listen to him knowing what is coming and that he is sincere is also scarey
Boss Suk (Joo Il)
Ha ha. @IB, I like that name, “sweater dad”. What’s up with the outfit?
@SD, oh yeah!! You are 100% right.
But with some kind of magic, I totally forgot and was all-in in the situation as if it could end well. LOL!
Now we see the details of the murder. Booooh.
@SD, yes that was the reason for the Episode 1 cold open to death row dream. We know it will not go well. We already have hearts in our mouths and the knowledge that things will go down before they go up, … if they ever go up.
It’s a sordid and muddy situation. Really not high-society class.
@MM, I hate it that Park is so sincere and he really thinks he can defy Old Man Nam.
“Stop the Car”.
I thought when NGM and Soo Beom were alone the age-fraternity rules applied and familiar language could be used, Guess that is only when they are both sitting in the back seat at the same time.
Vertical hierarchy wins.
SB hauled out and slapped around. When is it that NGM reproduces dad’s beating with the kendo sword?
The sodality emerges later when the upright fellow student becomes the judge. But for now SB and NGM have an overdetermined relationship.
@WE now we have the scenes of the young people so hopeful in lawyer Park. So much build up to great disappointment.
The details shows it’s still a pulsional murder because of high drinking (and maybe drugs too, but I don’t know what). It’s a blurry zone where “villain kills someone by not exactly full accident”. 🙂
So we had the run up to the murder, the red=dress, floozy music, lets have a drink in ep1.
And also the discovery of the body’
Now we have the actual murder. I am glad the writer waited, it was bad enough to imagine but this is worse. psycho.
@WE more build up of good vibes … even Lawyer Park is smiling and Jin Woo comes to see dad also all smiles. We just know that it’s too soon to be laughing but there they are laughing.
What’s more, good Prosecutor meets Lawyer Park for a meal and they talk about Dad Nam, as if finding one little misake he makes is all it takes to bring Nam down.
Park is too over-confident “It ain’t over till it’s over” but this TRUTH works against Park.
Something about that insistence on tacky music makes me think NGM was planning to beat Jung Ah up from the getgo.
The nice girl he couldnt have?
Hating his own country/himself…
And his father’s response to his son describing the murder is also psychopathic
courtroom —
how much did the doctor get paid to lie so blatantly?
@MM the Nam males are dysfunctional humans in terms of integrity and humaneness. At least the sister is ‘normal’ but a little entitled.
So now Park’s father figure is standing in the upper level of the court to give Park warning looks. Park begins to find that the witness cannot be forced to tell the truth. It’s a trial that Park cannot win.
The sound is really effective in the scene immediately proceeding the murder. We know NGM is under some undefined influence because the scene is a bit blurred and because his voice is hollow like speaking into a bowl. Then that sharp scream. Very effective especially in a foggy woods. An almost dreamlike state.
Meeting on the roof, nothing, everything seems ok, so we have certainely an oignon flashback later about that “something else happened on this roof”. But I’m not sure.
First some shock: doctor lies shamelessly.
@IB Park DH gets a shock as well. Even he did not think it would go against him so suddenly after all his prep. He had been so confident.
@WE, after the rooftop we finally get the flashback to Dong Ho in his youth so we understand why he cannot say no to Thug Boss Suk.
It’s really nice to get a “white truck of doom” that is not random.
Cant remember who DH’s dad was supposed to kill in JW’s car, but very tricky to intentionally kill himself but not his own son in the passenger seat. Very messy scene.
@WE and also a white truck of doom that really did the crash accidentally.
Jin Woo mentions the video but now Park cannot show it any more. Suddenly it does not exist.
“this video…….. doesn’t exist”.
POOOOOOOOWWWWWWW !!!!
I think Park DH,s dad was trying to run away, from what we do not know. The car was unexpected. When we saw the scene originally, from inside the car, I could not figure out how the police cars were there so quickly. I thought it must be a cut, from the crash to the aftermath that I just missed. Now we see that the dad was fleeing a police stop.
@IB, I don’t think Park’s dad intended to hit the car. It really was an accident. There was no reason for him to kill anyone in that family. Also he would not have taken on a job to kill someone if his son was in the truck with him.
He had another reason to buy only 1 ticket for his son, but I am not sure if Show tells us what it was.
Do not know why the chaebol daughter is presented as sympathetic. She should have been excused from the beginning from the trial because the accused was an employee of the family.
Given that she was allowed, it is all corrupted from there on in. But now that she has heard her brother’s name she should have excused herself.
@SD, yes. Dad Park was fleeing and he was going to send his son overseas and maybe kill himself or disappear.
Ah I post it. Filmed version is better because of the pause in the sentence, aahh even excellent writer can’t be perfect, but thank to director/actor it was ameliored!!
JUDGE: (to Park Dong-Ho) Counsel. Does the witness’s video exist?
All eyes in the courtroom, including Jin-Woo, In-Ah, the female cop, fix on Park Dong-Ho in an instant.
Park Dong-Ho looks at Jin-Woo’s desperate face. Seo Jae-Hyuk looks at Park Dong-Ho with pleading eyes too-
JUDGE: Counsel! Answer.
PARK DONG-HO: (averts eyes from Jin-Woo’s face, speaks with effort) …No such video exists.
JIN-WOO: (heart sinks) !!!
IN-AH: (eyes widen in shock) !!!
It is a cascade of interactions and events rather than one event that results in DH letting the trial play out unfairly. Clever writing
@IB, yes it’s stuff like the sister still being on the jury that bugs me. Protocol is too iffy.
Now we get the heartbreak of Jung Ah’s father. He makes the mistake of calling the crooked Prosecutor Hong.
My vote for most villainous — the chief prosecutor, Hong Moo Suk, without whom even sweater Dad might have been defeated in the case of Seo Jae Hyuk.
Every person involved corrupted, bettraying, lying.
It’s a merciless buldozzer of injustice. 😀
Now more witnesses come in to pile on the lies that point a finger at Dad Seo. A lot of money has been paid out. Lawyer Park cannot move.
Poor kid Jin Woo … his expression when they read out the letter of Jung Ah’s father. It said the opposite of what Jung Ah’s dad had wanted.
In the face of In Ah’s questioning Park cannot say a word. Snake Prosecutor wants to shake his hand.
@SD The chase in the woods is so effetivey done that I stopped watched the intro–too terrible.
Dong-Ho and prosecutor shaking hands.
“just at the wrong moment” when Jin-Woo comes.
Close up on the hands. 🙂
I wonder what Park means when he says to Boss that it was not just because of him that he lost the trial. Did he guess that his life was at stake?
JW no longer trusts ‘attorneys’, esp DH.
But we instead are persuaded that there is hope for DH by several small things? What, the contract on a bill….his statement to wjw that seoJaeHyuk is still alive…
music?
Nam: “we are in the same team, let’s be friendly, TSHAK!”
He does a “tshak” with his mouth! 😀
It’s done without such micro-directing in the script, so the actor chose to do the “smirks” in this way (and it’s why it’s often better to avoid micro-directing):
NAM GYU-MAN: (pockets the USB) No corny copies again, right?
PARK DONG-HO: (stares coldly)
NAM GYU-MAN: Like it or not, now we… ride together? (smirks)
@GB — maybe DH thinks he wouldnt have been able to deal with the witness tampering even without the threat to Boss Suk?
@IB, there’s that of course. DH saw that prosecution had gone all out to discredit Seo.
Now we come to the wake of Jung Ah’s dad. Poor Jin Woo. He has to bear the hits on his father’s behalf.
This is one drama in which Yoo Seung Ho cries a lot. He goes off to become a lawyer, the only one he can trust is himself.
Oh, we trust DH because he makes a sort of promise to his dad (in the columbarium) to stick by Seo Jae Hyuk. Fathers again.
End with majestic entrance in the trial room. 🙂
Does DH mean he is at fault as a person so it was not only his FATHER figure but his own sense of badness(his history getting the bad guys off the hook) that played roles in what he did or did not do in court?
I am at 48 min
@MM I don’t really know what DH is thinking when he visits his father at the columbarium … only that he’s a bit ashamed that he has nothing to boast about. I think he used to boast that he could get guilty people off so he did not think that he did much that was wrong by his unorthodox and crooked methods.
@GB, I think DH felt guilty. He had seen himself as JW’s father figure in the same way that Suk Joo Il was his own father figure. We see that earlier when JW first stops his car and he remembers himself stopping Suk Jo Il’s car. And he had wronged JW. As soon as he denies the video, he looks down. You can see by his face as JW walks out calling to him, that he knows he has done something that he cannot stomach. He is caught between his obligation to his ‘father’ and to his ‘son’.
He keeps the bank note with the contract on it as his way of promising himself that he will rectify this in the future.
@SD, this bank note is really something! 😉
so now DH has to work for the villains under threat of his hyungnin’s life
If I were JW I would have given DH a few more punches.
Nice ending! The plot is set to move forward. And we see just before the ending that DH feels ashamed in front of his father for what he did.
The grasping of hands by JW also cements this understanding. JW grabs DH’s hand as he is pulled from the court. Similarly he grabs his own father’s hand as the verdict is read. I would have to go back to look, but I think the camera shows the same view of grasping hands in the air, for both.
@SD I like the idea that the bank note is DH’s way of promising himself to rectify the situation.
On first watch I was so surprised to see the direction DH’s character arc takes after this episode.
@GB You must have read my mind from the other side of the globe, about DH feeling ashamed. Boasting and pride are the flip side of shame and you point that out.
@MM @SD
It did not really occur to me that DH fancied himself taking on a father role with Jin Woo. Maybe a big brother role but not really a father role, to me.
@IF Good points about the chaebol daughter but she is needed for key scenes about “truth”.
The white truck of doom. I think he was running away from something. He was probably a member at some level of the gang run by DH’s in loco parentis. And there was something in the truck.
I think the role DH saw himself in, primarily, was as a good lawyer(contrary to his previous work as a lawyer) to JW and his father.
@MM, father is evasive in the truck, but he mentions the name of Nam Il-Ho. So he has problems with this damn family, and his death probably (indirectly) caused by them, he was threatened.
@ IF I originally read MoM as the museum of modern art! 😁
@WE I missed that about Nam il ho. I wonder if we ever get any detail.
Bye @GB, WE, SD, MM. Until next week.
@WE, I missed it as well. But ala kdrama coincidence it certainly seems likely that the crash between DH’s dad’s truck and the car carrying all of JW’s family was caused by Nam Il-Ho.
Unrelated but I really like the camera work in the jail scene between father and son after the trial. The dark wall blocking half the screen so that JW seems far away, almost in his own documentary film, is very effective at showing his extreme isolation (along with close ups of him crying with his hands on the partition separating JW from his father)
Do others start getting repeat email notifications of comments from the beginning of our watch? I find this really annoying because I am expecting more interesting comments.
Thanks SD for talking about the ‘black wall’ — I see it so often, half the screen, 1/3 or both sides narrowing, and have no idea how to interpret it.
I put Ep5 and 6 screenplay into shared folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Q55FSLLZgn–W2AGofmkq0dBIIWQ_o9w?usp=sharing
Thanks @WE! See you in 14.5 hours!