@flying_tool asked a question. This is *my* interpretation. Nobody needs to argue with me. Bitches, please feel free to add your thoughts.
Question on the meaning of the conversation between Mago 2 and Mago 3 in episode 10.
Viki
Mago 3:If Gu Chan Seong hasn’t taken the medicine, he should be able to see the relationships which were severed.
Mago 2:The side effect of the ghost eye.DramaCool
Mago 3:If Gu Chan Seong hasn’t taken the medicine, then he’ll be able to see the spirits that have separated.
Mago 2:It’s the curse of being able to see it.In Mago 3’s sentence, the word used in Korean is 인연 which translates as destiny, which is a lot closer to relationship than spirit.
In Mago 2’s sentence, Viki’s translation “side effect” is literal vs “curse” which requires some insight I don’t have.
In any case, this conversation bothers me. This is separate from Mago 2’s commentary on Mago 3 putting YW and Mira together, so it is I think about some other persons destinies/relationships/spirits. Since seeing whatever the topic is requires CS to be able to see ghosts/spirits, at least one party of the severed relationship is a ghost/spirit.
If this is about MW and CM, then CM will show up as a ghost? This would work very nicely with your interpretation of the Man Who Would Be King episode. I was wonder what your take on the scene was?
At the end of this scene, there is a close up of Mago 3 crocheting another heart. For MW and CM? MW and CS?
Thanks @flying tool! I like watching from more than one site too. That way, we can synthesize the differences and come up with a better idea of the meaning.
To me, MG3 really meant “destiny” but relationships, like you said, is a good approximation. I also understand why DramaCool subbers wrote “spirits.” Destiny seems to be the big catch-all term. Relationships are subsets of this big basket called destiny. Then spirits are the subsets of relationships because the relationship in this romcom involves a human, deity, ghost or spirit pairing.
When MG3 says Changsun can see severed destinies, the obvious reference was Mira and Yeonwoo. That’s a misdirection, in my opinion. The director was giving US what WE wanted to see, that is, Changsun would recognize that YS and Mira were in Manwol’s past and be appalled that they’ve hooked up.
This lady isn’t a red herring — she’s a pink granny — but she sure functions like a red herring.
When YeonWoo the Second (YW2) walked in, Chansung’s mind saw the severed relationship between YW and Manwol, not the severed relationship between YW and the Princess. He saw these images.
And the clincher. Chansung saw YW releasing Manwol’s wrist. How much more “severed” can this relationship get, right?
That’s the “severed” destiny Chansung saw.
He then returned promptly to the hotel in search of Manwol. He told her, “I’m here because of you. This time…I think I unveiled your being and time. I met the person for whom you feel the most grief.” Then he brought her to see Yeonwoo2.
He felt guilt that he was the source of her grief. He always brought her this kind of connection, this kind of “severed” relationship with spirits, which aggrieved and hurt her.
However, you know me, right?
I have a different interpretation which I can see with my “ghost” eye.
The person that MG2 was referring to as having a ghost eye wasn’t Chansung but YeonWoo2.
hahaha.
Yeonwoo2 is the one who can see “severed” relationships because that’s the side effect of having the “ghost” eye.
He was NOT saying the truth when he said, “There’s no such thing as ghosts.”
I think he was being ironic. He was saying the opposite. It’s like when I see a truly awful show, and I say, “Wow. That’s interesting, isn’t it?” It’s interesting but in a BAD way. There’s an incongruence between what I actually mean and what I just said.
Now, why do I say it’s Yeonwoo2?
It’s because he blinked. He blinked EIGHT times upon seeing Chansung. There could be more but I counted eight. Replay that scene. It started at 54:40 mark. Every time the camera switched angles and captured him in the shots, you could see him blinking twice.
In contrast, he didn’t blink when he first met Mira.
He leaned in, looked at her intently, saw the flashbacks, smiled and let her go.
He didn’t blink an eye, although normal people SHOULD have been fazed. His abnormal behavior told me that he was used to seeing these flashbacks.
He has the GHOST eyes. He can see otherworldly things, supernatural things, but he’s used to it. Hence, he can talk about it with irony — a detective that sees ghosts.
Same thing with Manwol. When he saw Manwol in the distance, he paused and stared at her.
Then, he saw flashbacks of them: he was smiling, she was smiling, they were standing under the tree. He saw the sadness. And he looked sad, too.
But he did NOT blink.
Same with Sanchez. He greeted Sanchez like a normal person.
But when he saw Chansung, he seemed to suddenly acquire a nervous tic. His eyes couldn’t stop blinking. lol. And he seemed to be waiting for something…
See that? hahaha. I JUST had to take a screenshot.
So, if Yeonwoo2 has the ghost eye, and he can see destinies or relationships or spirits (take your pick) that were severed, then what did he see in Chansung that made him blink furiously like that?
And to me, the “valuable” potion that Manwol begged for Chansung becomes a “hot item.” There’s something more to it than just erasing his ability to see ghosts. I joked earlier that it’s amnesia-inducer, a memory-blocker.
But since Chansung didn’t drink the potion, Yeonwoo2 was able to see his own severed destiny/relationship/spirit. And Yeonwoo2 blinked nonstop.
lol. @nrllee (and yours truly) would throw a colossal fit if Yeonwoo2 saw the Captain’s severed relationship in Chansung.
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Just for the record, here’s the conversation between MG2 and MG3.
MG3: If Gu Chan Seong hasn’t taken the medicine, he should be able to see the relationships which were severed.
lol. The ambiguity of pronouns!!! When MG3 met Yeonwoo3, she was taking a close look at his eyes while he was digging for coins in his pocket. She was looking so closely, I thought she was checking to see if he had contact lenses or eye gunk.
So, in effect, MG3 was saying, “If GCS hasn’t taken the medicine, then Yeonwoo2 should be able to see the relationships which were severed.” MaGo3 dismissed it as nothing out of the ordinary.
MG2: That’s side effect of the ghost eye. (then pauses and she switches topics) I heard you have unnecessarily entangled fates.
MG3: It’s interesting to bring together enemies from a past life. They can’t take their eyes off each other, because of something that’s left. (MG2 frowns) So pretty.
I thought it was funny that she brought the heart up close to the camera. To me, that was a director’s hint…or troll. We don’t have ghost eyes. We only have 20/20 vision. But the person to whom she gave the other knitted heart, does.
“lol. @nrllee (and yours truly) would throw a colossal fit if Yeonwoo2 saw the Captain’s severed relationship in Chansung.”
Indeed…if Hong Sisters have somehow planned it so CS was actually the reincarnated CM with a new face and personality etc… 🙄🤔 😒. Trolled majorly then… and it would mean Hong Sisters went with conventional wisdom… 6th sense was clever with the plot twist. If it does turn out that CS is CM, that would be stupid. 😡 Unless what YW2 saw was the severed relationship of CS and his Mother…one lives in hope.
Also I am wondering if the serial killer subplot is there to address MW’s “serial killing” past. It wasn’t very clear but from first glance it would appear that she went on some mass killing spree (of soldiers?) after the deaths of her comrades and the betrayal by CM? Was I right to assume that? And that is the sin(s) that put her in HDL in the first place? 🤔. And the final hurdle for her to clear would be CM’s betrayal?
This was very interesting to me. I thought I was the only one that recognized Yeon Woo might have a seer connection. I only caught that because of seeing him as Apollo, Diana’s brother, seer and God of prophecy, who speaks through the Oracle of Delphi. Also, twice now, he’s been connected to fortune telling or going to see a fortune teller.
But even knowing or suspecting this connection, I caught almost nothing of the above. I think I have to watch the episode again. To date I’ve avoided watching episodes for a second time but when I read posts like this Im flummoxed re how I could miss so much!
@nrllee , my take is that the serial killer is an enemy Man-Wol can’t defeat directly (since he is still a living human being), and that poses a very real threat to Chang-Sung. Probably he will be a red herring of a person Man-Wol will try to kill…
Will she bring him to Hotel de la Luna like Peeping Tom businessman?.
On the other hand I like the idea of a team with bellbutton man, his posessed girlfriend and seer detective.
“On the other hand I like the idea of a team with bellbutton man, his posessed girlfriend and seer detective.”
Yes that sounds like a plausible solution for the serial killer that MW can’t do anything about.
Actually was the Politician a ghost when she staked him? I found her character very hard to place initially because she was sometimes visible to humans and other times not… like when she appears in the hall toting her rifle, nobody else could see her but the Politician could. She “shot” him but he didn’t really “die”. He was just made to look like a schizophrenic madman which is presumably why he lost his job and when they next met it was when he was down in the dumps and made an attempt to kill her in front of CS. Then she stakes the guy and he gets vacuumed up. So he was a ghost then? Otherwise how did she manage to “kill” him with the stake if he were still human? I haven’t watched post Ep2 and have just been reading recaps and comments so I may have missed a lot.
@Barbrey LOL! Me too … I did a re-watch of Ep 10. I’d already made notes (takes ages!!!) and did notice that pink MG stared intently at Det Park … only I didn’t put 2 and 2 together. Maybe she was 1)checking if his ghost eyes were working or 2)giving him more special vision abilities, the way that MW gave CS the ability to see ghosts by staring at him. Or was there more to that pink pen than meets our eyes?
The ‘can’t take eyes off each other part’, does it refer to angry staring or any long looks? I noticed that the most staring was done between Det Park and CS, but again it might not mean anything. And MW and CS always have long conversations and opportunities to look at each other as well.
Anyway CS stared so hard at Park that Sanchez asked him if he knew Park.
MG3 was certainly knitting and crocheting up connections where none might have been before.
Mi Ra – Det Park – Met over the pink pen. But was this the severed relationship or the enemies that are brought together? In the past, I’m not sure what they had could be called a relationship.
Det Park – MWThe coincidence of the Mover’s truck being overtaken by Killer Jin Woo with ghost in backseat … was that happenstance or part of MG’s knitting? If happenstance, then, by Intern’s connection with MW, Det Park might still have met MW, even if he had not met Mi Ra.
But bringing Mi Ra into Park’s life just made it surer. The same goes for linking up CS to Park… it made the meeting between Park and MW surer but it might have happened anyway because the murders were indirectly connected to the Hotel and to Killer Jin Woo who knows CS.
So what was MG3 going for with that pen and getting Park to hang on to it?
@nrllee – It’s an interesting thought that MW’s sin might have included serial killing after Yeon Woo died. She certainly took life lightly enough that she threatened MG at their first meeting and even toyed with the idea of killing herself if that would help her find the Moon Inn. I guess after killing the Princess (and maybe Capt CM) she might have had to fight her way out of the place.
(In Goblin he also felt that he had to atone for all the death he had caused). The ‘soldiers’ on horses who were out looking for MW in Ep 1, all turned out to be ghosts of people she had killed already. So it’s entirely possible that the sins of multiple killings can be laid at her door. However whether she’s atoning for this as well as for what happened to her clan is not certain.
I think that’s why the old adage “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” never quite worked out with us humans. When you have all that rage, you aren’t just going to delve out like for like… you would want more than just your pound of flesh… maybe just an ounce or two more for good measure? Vengeance is often overdone.
@GB,
I think the heart pen is used to draw a “love line.” hahaha. These Hong sisters and their wordplays! It should be fun playing word charades with them.
MG3 gave him the heart pen so he could start a love line of his own, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to find love.
When Mira drew a line on her skirt and blamed in on his heart pen, he drew a line on his palm to show that his heart pen didn’t match the ink.
But I think he quickly realized that this girl must be his “fated” girl (based on what MG3 said about not losing his heart pen. Mira found his pen). That’s why he suggested treating her out and he asked for her phone number.
True, she can’t kill the serial killer. Maybe she can sic Ma Go 4 on him like she did with that Peeping Tom/Spy Cam CEO?
Heeeyyyy, I wore bell bottom pants!! Bell Bottom pants and floral tops with fringes. 🙂
But I never wore a pair of ripped jeans.
“True, she can’t kill the serial killer. Maybe she can sic Ma Go 4 on him like she did with that Peeping Tom/Spy Cam CEO?”
Didn’t she kill the Politician guy in Ep1? With the stake? Or was he a ghost? I didn’t think he was a ghost…I thought he lost his status and was condemned to a life of poverty as a result so he was human?
🙂 The Politician was a “vengeful spirit”. In Ep 2, Chansung was surprised to find out that he was a ghost. “That jerk was a ghost?” She answered, “I told you. There are ghosts who look like humans.”
Chansung had been under the impression that all ghosts looked spectral. 🙂
She can’t kill humans but she can bring their misdeeds to the gods’ attention and let them deal with the bad people themselves. Lol. She actually subverted the Spy Cam guy’s personal motto, “Humans should do their best. And God will do the rest.” She did her best to call the MaGo’s attention to Spy Cam guy and MG4 did the rest. Very witty.
Thanks PM3. That makes more sense then 🙂
You’re welcome, my friend. Sorry I couldn’t answer last night.
I’m ready to post another one. Just have a morning debriefing then I’m free the whole day. Hurray for me. 😂