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Thanks @pkml3!!! Mu-ah! Mu-ah! Flying kisses to you!!
Those were some hot kisses in a sit on the guy’s lap position! I can’t recall another show with quite this kind of kiss scene. (We should alert @agdr03!!)
May our YD-DJ couple have a good run to their relationship before the angst breaks in!!! And may they have a good continuation too, for as long as they can. We, none of us know how long we have anyway, so let’s live and love to the full, whenever!
hahahah @GB Yes! I’m the kiss addict here in the blog. LOL!
Oh these gifs are gooood! I had to think hehehe and Beauty Inside had a similar scene and oh we have the same FL there. 🙂
Hi @agdr03! Trust you to be able to name shows with similar kiss scenes! LOL. I’m glad you got to see these gifs. The kiss(es) were many and long.
Kalimera everyone!
Let us enjoy this week’s episodes!
P.S. that was a damn good kiss!
Yes, it was a romantic kiss between grownups who are mindful of their attraction to one another, pulled together not only physically, but emotionally and intellectually.
I’d better get to bed, as it is 2am here in Southern California, and ep. 11 will be dropping on Netflix in just a few hours. I can’t wait to watch! But I’ve been wrestling all day today with trying to sort out which twin is which. I posted a long comment on the eps. 9-10 thread with my findings and theories. Let’s see if I’m on track, or way off target!
Thank you packmule3 for the new thread for YAMS.. and the gifs too..
Oh seeing these make me fluttered again..
Hahaa
Can’t wait to watch this week’s episodes..
Yes @Welmaris so agree with you:
Grownups attraction will be pulled together not only physically but most importantly emotionally and intellectually!
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See you again in a couple of hours, my dear YAMS squad!!
Thank you PM3 for the new thread.
Like many of you here, the twins have been residing in my head the whole weekend. I told myself I will refrain from commenting until I finished both episodes this week. I will be reading your comments in the meantime…… l’ll be back.
Hi @moonstar! While I wait for the episode to be subbed, I watched The Swoon with our cast playing Jenga, and ended up laughing too uproariously. Here’s where we see Yoon Park looking totally not like Chae Jun or Chase LOL. Even Kim Dong Wook seems so different from his character.
Here’s the BTS of the kiss scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1BLLb1Wxt0
It was serious business! LOL.
@GrowingBeautifully> The Jenga game was so funny and chaotic! NGR is kinda clueless but cute like when she won and could choose the order. SYJ was so funny trying to change her mission. Yoon Park was really the younger one and Jenga expert! KDY just watched them, smiling all the way.
It’s nice to see adults acting like adults in this drama. Not badass FL who changes in a teenager when she falls in love with the ML…
Hi @Sayaris, yes that Jenga game was so noisy! Loved it, especially to fall back on after Ep 11. I skipped through it without subs. The ending has me on tenterhooks. There were some great dialogues that we need the subs for. I imagine that much more is revealed by Chase, and the OTP does have their moments, but that ending though…
Omg omg @GB
Thank you for the link of Jenga Game. @Sayaris right, it is so funny. I laughed out loud!!! I never seen someone put the block like Yoon park did..and whenever he try to be a Jenga Police or when he teased SHJ about her idol era..his Noonas were upset.. hahaha..
And when SHJ said that when she met NGR for the first time she thought she was just like Ga Yeong. Lool..
Also thanks for the BTS scenes. Yes the kiss is serious business after all! I’m glad because they tried hard to make the kiss a great scene and it worked! It was beautiful.. Even SHJ cried after the kiss scene (?).. wow..
Oh, the dance scene!! Haha it’s like a stage indeed.. Seeing them together, and how comfortable they are with each other too.. I hope that they had a great time filming this lovely drama.
About the episode 11. At first it was a happy moment. Like when they tried to go to the restaurants but ended up in JYD’s house. Awkward..Then they were unboxing the package filled with virtility herbs.. awkwaaard.. not over yet, when JYD’s friend came over.. they both hide in JYD’s room. DJ asked why they have to hide.. that was my question too..lol. More awkwaaaard.. Finally, JYD’s friend surprised them and DJ shocked. I was shocked too even though I know that he was still inside the house…
it was so funny 😂😂😂
We finally know that there was a camera installed in Ian Chase’ room, but we still don’t know about the person behind that camera. I’m curious too why Ian Chase read JYD’s dissertation, and the title matched with this current situation too. However Ian Chase said that he doesn’t want any help from JYD. This makes me worried about him more. What is Ian Chase purpose of talking with JYD after all. I think I have to rewatch their scene..
The scene when DJ realized that Her brother remembers about their father, was great too. I really admire SHJ’s acting here. Oh Dear..
But yeah @GB, the ending of this episode makes me worried. I hope JYD will be alright. We really don’t know about how long that they will be together..
I saw from the preview that the next episode there will be a conversation talking about Yuddy in Days of Being Wild. Yes I think both of the director and the writer really like WKW’s movies.
Ok I think I have to sleep.. see you tomorrow dear..
The ending broke my heart… 🙁
I enjoyed the videos @GB…Thanks!
Hi @moonstar and @Cleo, I’ve watched Ep 11 once with subs. Before going deeper, I’ll probably need to watch Ep 12.
Some random initial thoughts:
– Ju might have been on the way to being sick, since he did have some fever even on the previous day, but seeing DJ crying in Gangneung and then leaving her to drive back by himself may have kind of ‘broken his heart’ and stressed him. I’m glad that he managed to get home and take some meds before he went to see his doctor, but it was still not soon enough to prevent him from being hospitalised. Ju was pretty flustered for some time before that… might it have stressed his heart?
You were right about the succession, @moonstar. It was to do with the debts of the dad being passed on to the children. What a horrible legacy. I wish Mum would get out of the habit of suffering alone without letting her kids know. Kids are much more perceptive. Even 4-year old TJ knew that his Dad was hurting his Mum. Perhaps being open to speaking to the children about what was happening might have made it easier and less traumatic for them overall.
So Chase remembers JYD very well, but Ju does not really remember Chase except at age 18. Chase is interested in JYD’s dissertations, as if he’s one of the case studies that Ju has been writing about. Yes, he fits the description. I wonder if he wants to know what Ju thinks (knows about him), whether he wants Ju to understand him or whether he wants to read about ‘himself’. Ju (admits to and) seems to have been very perceptive about people lying to him from his early years. Perhaps that’s why he took up psychology. He might have been inspired by those he had observed like Chase at 18.
It’s only now that we discover Chase took over the apartment of his dead brother!!! No wonder Attorney Noh suggested that he changed the lock combination. That book with the camera, being there, means that he left some of his brother’s possessions untouched. That means that he has been video recorded … I guess surreptitiously. Surely he’d have removed that book if he’d known!! Or maybe he leave it there, while knowing? He was waiting for the Watcher.
(This makes me feel that one really should clear all the shelves of a place before living there!!!)
The DJ and Ju moments are still so cute. I wish they’d speak openly about where they are in the relationship right now. They are so shy!! Just hold the girl’s hand already! LOL DJ being educated by GY and EN on what a kiss means.
The fact that DJ and Ju went to 3 restaurants and still could not get a place to eat, might be a metaphor for something. They had to get home before they could have a meal, but they could barely relax, before Seong Won came.
This seems to say that Ju really needs to communicate more clearly with dense persons like SW, LOL. SW interpreted it as the opposite, that Ju was lonely.
Poor Ha Neul, LOL … will he dare to date Jin Ho after being bitten? What strange drunken habits characters may have!
Dr. Ju told us how to interpret Han Jin Ho’s enraged biting when she’s drunk and hears the word “pretty”: low self esteem. Considering the title of his dissertation, should we consider this pretty trainer a sadist?
This episode went from light to dark, didn’t it? At the end I just wanted to put down my head and cry. I could see from the trailers for ep. 12 that JYD survives this particular health scare, but I fear he will draw away from DJ. He already did, to some extent: when he came all the way to Gangneung in support of DJ, received her white-lie text in which she tried to sound okay, then withdrew when he saw her crying. I understand his thinking: he wants to respect her space. But I can’t help think what his office worker Ms. Oh (love her!) asked, if he’d run away when things went south in his relationship with DJ. In a similar situation, DJ returned to JYD and embraced him. She risked rejection doing that. JYD didn’t take the risk: he slunk away, unable to overcome his fear of rejection.
If I were in a Soompi video and asked which YAMS character I’d like to hang out with for a day, at the moment my vote is for Oh Mi Kyung, Dr. Ju’s office manager/nurse. Since this actress played Secretary Mo in TK:EM, I giggle to myself when I imagine her treating King Lee Gon as she treats Dr. Ju. Lee Gon’s response would probably be to call for her beheading (all in jest, of course!).
This episode showed me that at least one of my theories about the twins was wrong: it was Ian Chase who met JYD at the orphanage. Similar gray shirts worn at different times and places doesn’t mean the wearer is the same person. I suppose the point that a gray shirt could mean either twin was driven home when we saw both, as teens, dressed in identical gray shirts and sitting across from each other at a dining table.
We now can surmise that the older twin went to the orphanage, stayed for two years, then was shipped off to the USA to be adopted. He became Ian Chase. There was no switching of twins: Ian Chase endured the entire orphanage and adoption trauma himself.
Younger twin stayed home with his mother. CJM, wearing a gray shirt, attended the church bookfair and was able to roam about the lawn because he was not an orphanage resident. I’m sure orphanage staffers Kim Myeong Ja and Hong Se Geun recognized him as the other twin, but let him be because the older twin’s adoption was already arranged. Eventually Hong Se Geun of Nanum Jeil Prayer House moved into CJM’s home. Choi Jeong Min and his mother were victims of physical abuse at HSG’s hands.
It has been confirmed that it was Ian Chase Ju Young Do saw in the bathroom in 2003. I suspect that Ian Chase was emboldened by the death of HSG, even though it was an accident, and went after KMJ while his adrenaline was running high. The confession letter’s words imply, KMJ’s stabbing wasn’t well planned. Twelve hours lapsed between the fight leading to the death of HSG and the scene of the twins in the expensive-looking lodging; that’s enough time for Chase to murder KMJ and rinse his bloody clothing at the pub restroom.
I suspected that Ju’s heart donor may have had some connection with Nanum Jeil Prayer House since he was also an orphan. Detective Ko had said, “Jeong Beom was an orphan, too. He was adopted just to be abandoned again, but he still led a good life.” Even so, it was shocking to me when Ian Chase’s words to Ju Young Do implied both of them knew Jeong Beom. That could add to the reason JYD wants to find Jeong Beom’s killer. Usually an organ transplant recipient doesn’t know the donor’s identity, but news of the young murdered policeman donating his organs did go public, and Ju saw it. I don’t know how Ian Chase could learn that JYD received Jeong Beom’s heart, as I imagine that information is confidential. But if Chase killed Jeong Beom because JB had uncovered information linking Chase to KMJ’s murder, Chase–highly comfortable in a hospital setting–could observe without raising suspicion and hear staff talk about the brain dead policeman and the subsequent heart transplant in that same hospital. However, it chills me to think what the authorities and Korean public would think if word got out that there were personal links between the killer, the victim, and the heart recipient. Blame could fall on Ju, or he could become a suspect.
Kalimera my agapimenes!
Last night my heart broke for Young Do, because I realized that he might not make it until the end of the series. If he has complications in such a short time, then that means the heart is becoming toxic for his system?
I am glad that my thoughts about some things are correct.
For instance that Ian Chase was the kiddo in that Church and that he was the one that encountered Young Do.
The fact that all the cases are connected to that Cult Church. We have discussed it that with @GB in the earlier threads, that the police officer should be connected with that Church, maybe he was not sold, but went to the orphanage instead and when he saw that murder case he tried to find data.
I am glad that there was a security camera on that book. I believed that someone would install one. If Ian Chase didn’t have install it, maybe his twin did it? That means we might get to see the killer on the evil deed.
@GB I have realized that he went to his twin’s apartment, when he left from that Hotel.
@Moonstar512 the reason Ian Chase read JYD’s dissertations was because he knew he was busted for lying. So, he tried to understand JYD’s mind.
At that scene, Chase wanted to intimidate YD and make him have regrets because he didn’t help him. How a child should help another child? Young Do didn’t even know what was happening in that Church. His father left him there and as a result the one who had no name, disliked him because his father’s kept his promise.
He even disliked him more when they met in that bathroom, when they were 18. So, Ian Chase held a grudge because Young Do did nothing to help him. I think that Chase doesn’t hate Ju literally. He mostly hates himself and he mirrors that hate to Ju, because he thinks that he had a better life than him. We – the viewers- know Ju didn’t.
@Welmaris I think that DJ has to make a choice. She will decide what they will be and will try to make him understand that she won’t back down from what she wants.
I know that it is not something that would be romantic.
But YD is feeling the touch of death at the moment and he is scared that he will hurt her. His death will affect her and he has to take amends with that as well. It is not an easy decision to make.
We cannot understand the burden he is carrying.
Still, I believe that they should be together, because the love of your life is something you should live and not regret in the end for chickening out.
Hi my agapimenes! Thanks for your theories that have helped me in thinking through a bit more. Here’s my attempt to make sense of what Chase says and remembers in Ep 11. I may be wrong, but nevermind. The fun is in trying to come up with something that makes sense based on the little we know and some guesswork.
By coincidence, I too made a note about the Dissertation “Trauma that Leads to Sadism.” by JYD and how when he said people who were violent when intoxicated actually want to hurt themselves… I also thought of Jin Ho. What a good joke that the vet whom dogs don’t bite gets bitten by a human being. I can’t really consider her a sadist, but she’s got a chip on her shoulder about others believing that she’s successful as a fighter, not because of her looks, but because of her ability. Maybe she’s filled with doubt that she won her trophies fairly and not because she was pretty?
Chase and the Dissertation
Chase was being questioned by Det Ko. He remembered reading the dissertation.
Dissertation in Ju’s Voiceover: “People who resort to violence because they were consumed by rage (flashback to Chase strangling DJ) or intoxicated with alcohol realise once their rage or the alcohol wears off that the person they wanted to hurt was themselves. It could be the ‘them’ in the present circumstances. Or it could be their old selves who made mistakes. Uncontrollable aggression is an expression of self-contempt.”
“Why do we pay attention to how criminals feel? Why do we leave room for understanding? To answer those questions, I must start with the following. (We see Chase who is no longer listening to Det Ko but in a brown study. Receiving JYD’s understanding probably feels like condescension to Chase.)
(A collage of flashbacks begins: Chase remembers how the restaurant lady had slapped him on the back for eating too fast, we see Chase as a child brushing his teeth in tears.)
“Because they are bound to be someone’s neighbour, we cannot give up on correcting and reforming their behaviours, and forgiving them in order to coexist.”
“We must find the moment that the darkest and weakest beings of society, who never received the slightest help, turn into criminals. They do it because they think by crossing the line just this once, they’ll be able to live normal and stable lives like everyone else.”
(Flashback: Chase buying ice cream for Aiden and DJ).
(Flashback of the dream: Chase was underwater. His ankle was entangled in rope and he could not get free.) “Therefore, we must help them stay away from the water plant that keeps dragging them down no matter how hard they try to escape.” (Flashback of the dream: Chase sinks underwater.)
(From the flashback scenes, which are Chase’s memories, we see that he has applied the words of JYD to himself, but he is not satisfied about some of the points made, so he asks to meet with JYD.)
Chase barely hears Det Ko’s question : “Is there any reason that you moved into Choi Jeong Min’s old studio? Ian Chase? Why did you move into that studio?”
Instead of answering, Chase says : “I would like to talk to Mr Ju Young Do.”
JYD and Chase
Chase reminds Ju of the question he had asked before about the nursing facility in Changbi-dong. The photo of them at the facility was a piece of evidence related to Choi Jeong Min’s case. Ju had asked if Chase could remember that facility.
Chase : “Seeing that you asked me that question, you probably don’t remember me.”
Ju : “So you were there.”
Chase : “Yes I was. I was there and so were you.” (This is the first time that Chase has given JYD an outright answer. He has avoided answering all his questions, previous to this.)
Flashback of them as children. Ju say : “I’m JYD. What’s your name?”
Child Chase : “I don’t need a stupid name.” (We know that he’s upset because he has no name of his own, but as is typical, he takes out his anger on the innocent JYD).
In the present Ju asks : “Why did you ask to see me?”
Chase : “I had a question for you too. If you were the one who got abandoned there, if you were in my shoes, would you have been able to say what you said?”
(Flashback: The children’s food was pathetic. YD found that the eyes of all the orphans were fixed on him/his food. He offered them his fried egg.)
The words that Chase is referring to are read out first in Ju’s Voiceover : “People who resort to violence because they were consumed by rage or intoxicated with alcohol realise once their rage or the alcohol wears off …”
We hear both Ju’s and Chase’s voices reading out this part “Uncontrollable aggression is an expression of self-contempt.”
Chase continues quoting the dissertation : “We must find the moment that the darkest and weakest beings of society, who never received the slightest help, turn into criminals.’ ”
(It seems that Chase was unhappy about Ju’s statement that a person who displayed aggression suffered from self-contempt. Or even that Ju sounded understanding of criminals and wanted them to be helped.)
Ju asks : “Asking me this question sounds like you’re asking me if I can understand you. I thought you disliked me. Or you must be so shocked and desperate that you hope I can understand you.”
Chase looks away in disgust and turns back to say : “I do dislike you. I always have.”
Ju : “Is the incident from 18 years’ ago, included in the memories you hate?” (Ju is referring to the time he met Chase washing clothes in the washroom. This means that Ju finally does believe that the 18 year old boy is Chase).
Chase confirms it : “Yes.” (We see the flashback to that time when JYD observed Chase washing his clothes.)
Chase : “To have the right to talk about helping people now, you shouldn’t have looked at me through the mirror like that.” (Chase felt judged by Ju?) “And you shouldn’t have just left after seeing me like that. And you shouldn’t have accepted that heart.”
(He refers to Lee Jeong Beom’s heart as if it is significant whose heart Ju received. I read what @Cleo/@Welmaris wrote above about Lee Jeong Beom also being an orphan … Was Chase trying to say that accepting the heart of an unfortunate, repeatedly abandoned orphan, when JYD was so much more fortunate, was unfair?
Chase also seems to be saying that Ju has no right to offer help now, because in the past, when help was needed, he just stood in judgment, and did not offer help.)
Ju : “To answer your question from earlier, even if I were in your shoes, I would have said the same thing because I don’t need to blame myself for failing to help you in the past. Even if it’s you who needs my help, I will help you.” (Ju was not in the position to help Chase at age 18, but now he can offer real help.)
Chase who had been leaning forward watching Ju intently leans back.
Chase : “I don’t need your help.”
Ju excuses himself to leave.
Chase : “What about Miss Kang Da Jeong? Does she know who you received the heart from?”
(I’m not sure, but is Chase insinuating that Ju is also responsible for Lee Jeong Beom’s death because he took his heart???? Is he saying that Ju should be dead, except for that heart, therefore he should not be alive? Or, is he insinuating that because Lee Jeong Beom was supposedly killed by his brother, by accepting his heart, Ju was condoning the murder?)
(Chase is filled with resentment and jealousy that JYD in the NJ church facility had been given better treatment. He had his own toothbrush, a name, and a father who did not abandon him. It looks like he feels that JYD has no right to judge those who exhibit violence, because they had been abandoned while JYD hadn’t.
Chase probably finds JYD contemptible and condescending. To accept an offer of help from him, would be too humiliating. Either way, whether JYD wants to help or not, he cannot win. In childhood, Chase rejected his offer of friendship. But as an 18 year-old when he didn’t offer to help, he’s also considered to have done wrong by Chase.)
Ju, like a true professional says evenly : “I will never talk about Ms Kang with you.”
(This encounter, while it appeared externally calm, probably evoked a great deal of stress in Ju. Once again a sociopath was paying attention to DJ. In addition, he seemed to be accusing Ju of wrongfully being alive. It may have contributed to his heart acting up.)
@GB, I noticed that JYD was clutching his lower, not upper, chest when he exited his car in the last scene. Having myself been through a bout of walking (atypical) pneumonia, I immediately thought the mild fever, dry cough, and lower chest discomfort could be indicators of pneumonia. Earlier we’d seen JYD taking his regimen of pills, which he must do the rest of his life as a transplant recipient. Cyclosporine was highlighted among all the pill bottles on his bedside table. It is an immunosuppressant, to keep his white blood cells from attacking his transplanted heart (as they recognize it as a foreign body). But reducing the action of white blood cells means JYD is vulnerable to infections, which white blood cells would normally battle. One study I found online had in its conclusion: “Pulmonary complications are common following heart transplantation, occurring in 29.9% of recipients, and are attributed to pneumonia of primarily bacterial origin in one half of cases. Late-onset community-acquired pneumonia carried an excellent prognosis following empiric antibiotic therapy…” More than one out of four (almost one out of three) heart transplant patients in this study suffered a lung infection (pneumonia, bronchitis). Late-onset = a significant length of time after the transplant. Community-acquired pneumonia = infection not acquired in the hospital. The potential for cure is high with antibiotic treatment.
What JYD is experiencing must be frightening, but I don’t believe what we’re seeing is his body rejecting his heart.
To clarify, the hospital where TJ was treated for his appendicitis, with the adjacent funeral hall where JYD’s brother had his memorial, is a separate facility from the orphanage. Its name starting with M (I can’t remember the rest), did not have Nanum Jeil as part of its name, and may not be affiliated with the cult. That hospital/funeral hall is where DJ and JYD, without meeting each other in person, interacted via the dandelion flower.
Before JYD’s brother died, his father did take him to stay at the Nanum Jeil Prayer House orphanage. JYD had benefits (his own toothbrush, better food) the other orphanage residents didn’t have, probably because his father paid for them. As we see in the photo-taking scene, the orphanage staff considered JYD to be of a different status than the rest of the children (initially not wanting to include him in the photo). He was a paying customer, not a charity case, and money is power; in this case, that power shielded JYD from the abuses large and small that were heaped on the “charity” cases. Ian Chase saw, sensed, and chafed at the difference in status between JYD and himself, and instantly hated JYD because of it. Seeing JYD being picked up from the orphanage by his father deepened that hatred.
When JYD talked with Chase in the police interrogation room, I noticed a couple of powerful distinctions made by JYD in response to Chase. Chase tells JYD, “I do dislike you. I always have.” Ju then says, “Is the incident from 18 years ago (their washroom encounter) included in the memories you hate?” Ju is clarifying that he, himself, is not who or what Chase truly hates. And JYD firmly tells Chase, “…I don’t need to blame myself for failing to help you in the past.” JYD doesn’t deny he may have failed when there was a previous opportunity to help Chase, but carrying blame from the past to the present isn’t a given. That kind of blame serves no purpose. The person JYD was 18 years ago when he encountered Chase most likely didn’t have the capacity to help someone who’d crossed the line into criminality with murder. What matters is that JYD is willing to help Chase now.
This will be all for now. I’ve got to run, because I’m meeting a friend for lunch at a yupdduk restaurant. I had to look it up. The name is a mashup of yupgi ddeokbokki, which translates to extreme ddeokbokki. Fiery tteokbokki! I hope I can stand the heat.
Oh dear… Ep 12 … no words for now, only tears.
Fighting everyone!! We’ll get through it.
Have a great hot, fiery, spicy meal @Welmaris!
Hi Everyone, show does things in a refreshing way. For a change, much does not get hidden for long. Despite the foreshadowing of Ga Yeong’s need to hide the truth, show does not slow down the pace by lengthening the time of not knowing for the majority of our beloved characters.
I did think that Eun Ha was controlling, and it’s so amusing that even in imaginary scenarios, this aspect of her crops up. It’s great that show begins with the funny, before the situation shifts. Must rewatch those funny scenes and look for the BTS as well!
Those Mum and DJ scenes were powerful. Wish Ju could have spoken with his dad.
I like that we get to know what took place in Chase’s case, but show maintains the mystery of ‘that man’ or those men, ie the watcher and Hwang Jae Sik.
The theme of living fully in a short time pops up again, but seems somewhat upended. We’ve got 3.5 episodes with which to work towards a happy ending.
Hello my dear YAMS squads..
I cried in episode 12, especially when DJ talked with her mother on the phone🥺🥺🥺her heart breaks for JYD..
Like @GB predicted, this is the moment where they’re taking a step back from each other.
But I also believe what @Cleo said, that they should be together..
Anyway, in the moment like this,
I always remember one my nostalgic songs that I used to confused about the meaning. I heard this song first when I was a kid, and I questioned much. Why they have to be separated..
Here are the the lyrics:
Everybody needs a little time away
I heard her say
From each other
Even lovers need a holiday
Far away
From each other
…
And after all that’s been said and done
You’re just a part of me I can’t let go
…
Yeah @Welmaris, I think the theme about this week is: went from light to dark..
The scene where Gayeong become a Princess and left the Guy is mirroring to what JYD-DJ and Patrick-Gayeong are going through right now.
With the killer/mystery man is dead now.. I don’t know what’s gonna happen with Ian Chase, will he find his peace. Majin Vice Chairwoman told Ian Chase that JeongMin (his twin brother) has also been set up (Waking up with the knife on his hand). Ian Chase is now really on her hands. I guess it was also her that arrange the murder with the mystery man.
So who is this mystery man, and what happened with him when he said that he’s been lied by an 18yr old boy.
@Cleo, thank you for the explanation about why Ian Chase read JYD dissertation.
I actually curious what does Ian Chase really want from JYD. Does he just wanna “win”? What could make his grudge go away..
@GB, I also concerned about what Ian Chase said to JYD about getting his heart from Jeong Beom. It seems that Ian Chase wanna told him that he won’t be alive anymore if JeongBeom didn’t die. Like he means that the killer of JeongBeom helped JYD to stay alive. I think he just wanted JYD to feel bad that he received the heart transplant. Well in this case, I am inclined to the retrocausality: JYD’s fate is to be alive until a certain moment, therefore what has happened merely a “vehicle” for his fate.
Well, we’ve been left hanging on the scene when the fortune teller whom DJ’s mom went to surprised that he is still alive. But I think he didn’t say a bad thing anyway in the end since DJ’s mom told JYD to have a looong life and not to get sick.
Hi all! I came over from the HP2 thread. I’ve been watching/obsessing about this show every week, and have been working through the mystery portion myself. So, I came over here to read everyone’s insights.
I think there’s another culprit other than Ian. I’ve also checked online, and there’s some wild theories as to others who could have done it. Using a variation on the “show, don’t tell” philosophy espoused over on the other page, I have to wonder why some things were mentioned, and that made me suspicious.
Perhaps I’m making this more complicated that it is.
This episode broke my heart even more… 😞
I didn’t dine on fiery tteokbokki after all. My friend and I will save that excursion for another time. Episode 12 dropped earlier today than ep. 11 dropped yesterday on Netflix, so my friend came over to watch instead of our going out for lunch.
What we watched today wasn’t a good breakup, but an ugly one. I agreed with what DJ had to say to YD, but his response to her was nasty: Yes, I’m a scumbag, and we’re in this mess because you collect scumbags. Does he think he’s being kind in the long run by breaking up with her? The point of how misguided his thinking is, is driven home by his voiceover reading questions from the Relationship Virgin Quiz, on which his low score placed him on a level between dog and pig.
This episode had so many heart-wrenching tears, my own included! I’m glad DJ let them flow instead of bottling them in. She tried her mom’s method, turning on the faucet so the flow would cover her crying, but that restarted the leak, and the drips into JYD’s office burst his dam.
And oh! The pencils! I always wondered about them, displayed so prominently on Dr. Ju’s desk. They were sharpened, but not used for writing. They were a wall. They were aligned, but not upright: not so much a picket fence as a line of pikes ready for battle. But when the drips started falling again in the bucket on his desk, as DJ ran water upstairs while she wrestled with her emotions, the pencils came crashing down, along with Dr. Ju’s nameplate. The implication is that he swept them off his desk in a wave of emotion. His defensive line has been broken.
It speaks well of the writer-director team that this show follows the usual Kdrama timeline of the OTP being divided in these later-but-not-last episodes, yet the plot doesn’t seem forced. We expect the path of love to have obstacles, and that in overcoming them together our OTP will become better people in a strengthened relationship. Having one half of the OTP near death is a powerful cliché, so that we can see their love conquer all. Yes, these are tropes, but when we see DJ break down, sobbing…when we see YD fight his tears, only to crumble and weep…we are witnessing deeply personal moments. We do not tire of DJ & YD’s story, despite it following the pattern of so many other romances, because we’re viewing it through windows into their souls.
We were given a few more clues about the twins. Choi Jeong Min may have been a stalker and a sociopath, but it looks like he wasn’t a murderer: he was framed for the stabbing of Lee Jeong Beom. And being that Majin’s Vice Chairwoman would benefit from pinning all the murders on him, thus clearing Ian Chase from all suspicion before she used him to kill her father, I suspect she orchestrated the confession letter being put into the music box. From the spycam footage she gave Ian Chase, we will see what transpired just before his brother’s death. And if she had the suicide note planted, I’m sure she also made sure CJM died in a way that looked like suicide.
It is scary to think Vice Chairwoman researched Ian Chase, has been following his brother, and probably arranged the death of Lee Jeong Beom since 2018 or before. She’s been plotting her takeover of Majin a long time, and she’s ruthless. We haven’t yet been introduced to her adversary, her brother, but I suspect he’s the Watcher. There’s a lot of money at stake in this fight between brother and sister for control of their father’s company. When we saw a snippet of news coverage on a TV in Ian Chase’s hotel room, the news anchor said rumors of the succession battle were shaking up the stock market. Only a high-value company would have such a seismic impact.
Why would Lee Jeong Beom have been murdered at the bidding of someone at Majin? I think there must be ties between Majin and the Nanum Jeil organization. When LJB was asking questions about Nanum Jeil Church and Prayer House, perhaps because he’d spent some time at their facility as an orphan, his policeman’s nose may have picked up scent of something fishier going on at NJPH than illegal adoptions. He was killed to silence him, to keep information he’d found from coming to light. The suicide note was a misdirection, moving suspicion away from NJPH onto CJM.
Detective Ko was told that bad things happened at Nanum Jeil Prayer House, and people went to jail for it. Did the man and woman who mistreated the children under their care go to jail? At least by the time the twins were 18, neither Hong Se Geun nor Kim Myeong Ja were incarcerated. Maybe they’d already served their time, if at all. Had Mystery Man spent time in jail because of NJPH’s downfall?
Did Ian Chase know Mystery Man from NJPH, finding him when he returned to South Korea in 2003 because he knew Mystery Man had an axe to grind with people running NJPH, blaming them for ruining his life? What’s with the book Pure Murder that was tossed at him by teen twin? (Which one? Even MM doesn’t know.) In what way did an 18-year-old teen trick him that almost two decades later he still wants one question answered before getting revenge? Was the 99 Building murder victim, about whom we’ve yet to learn anything, killed by Mystery Man instead of Chae Jun? In his profile of the culprit we see in episode 1, Dr. Ju says, “After getting the answer they wanted by choking the victim, the culprit pretended to release their hold, stabbed their victim in the back, then left the body for everyone to see.” The culprit wanted an answer, wanted to silence the bearer of that information, perhaps wanted to exact revenge, but wanted the dead body to be a warning to someone: I know; watch your back.
On a lighter note, maybe we can entertain ourselves–and raise our moods–this next week by projecting our wishes for endgame ships among the side characters. My friend and I came up with:
-Ahn Ga Yeong + Patrick. I think they do love each other.
-Kang Tae Jeong + Park Eun Ha. When TJ encountered Cheol Do in the gym, he said he’d recently seen EH. The shaman said TJ would find a good wife. EH put her finger down for the I’ve-kissed-someone-this-week question. EH does not return Ha Neul’s interest.
-Seo Ha Neul + Han Jin Ho. For a lifetime of love bites.
-Heo Yoo Kyung (junior concierge w/ potty mouth) + Park Cheol Do. Eccentrics, unite!
-Cheon Seung Won + Min A Ri (works in cafe). A meeting of dirty minds. They’ll form a company producing soft porn films.
Episodes 11 and 12
Cameras
Just as in Ep 11, we were alerted repeatedly to the presence of a camera, in Ep 12, the repeated motif is having a long life.
Ep 11 began with an irate hotel guest who had seen a camera drone outside the hotel. He wanted to check the footage to know if it had filmed him. We find out later that Chase (and Jeong Min) had been secretly watched through a hidden camera, that had been set up on behalf of Majin Vice Chairwoman.
I wonder if this footage is the same that is sent to the Watcher who sits in front of a laptop or whether Watcher has another source of videos. We know that Watcher once received photos of Chae Jun and DJ.
DJ and her colleague Yoo Kyung speak of DJ’s crush, and YK wants to see a photo or video of him, but DJ does not have any.
What does it mean to be the subject of the videos/photos? With the hotel guest, it put power in the hands of others. It took away his privacy. Where Chase is concerned, it puts Chase under the control of VC because she is too well informed. She is able to ‘own’ him because she can use the information of the videos against him.
With DJ and JYD, would a photo of them together or if one had a photo of the other suggest that they were fond of each other, or further, that they wanted to belong to each other? In the conversation between the girls on the rooftop, GY says that after a kiss with a guy one likes, one should make it obvious that the guy belongs to one. DJ was taking all this in. However in real life, GY is the one who cannot come out publicly to declare that Patrick is her boyfriend, and DJ had to help her hide her meeting with Patrick.
Even in Ep 12, Seong Won and Ha Neul (and later, Ari), think they should get Ju and DJ to start dating properly by creating ridiculous scenarios ‘movie style,’ with a hidden camera prank. These scenarios are the only hilarious portions of this episode. (So thank you, crazy Seong Won).
Living Long and Healthy
In Episode 12, we find out that DJ and JYD have the same day and month as their birthdays. Ari is asked to give a greeting on video to JDY, and she says in a distracted, careless way: “I hope you live a long life!” Seong Won says that that line is usually for the elderly. However where JYD is concerned, it’s a good greeting.
I suppose it is a foreshadowing, that immediately after this, Ha Neul unnecessarily tries to help Eun Ha, upsetting the tray that Eun Ha is carrying, so that everything on it ends up on the floor. It probably tells us that it’s going to end up messy this episode. (Yes I was a mess by the end of it!)
We know that DJ’s Mum does not want DJ to have a bad relationship like herself and innocently asks of JYD to live a long and healthy life by DJ’s side.
Mum to Ju : “I mean, they say you can’t control who you fall in love with, but there are times when your greed blinds you and causes problems.” (We see later that JYD thinks he was too greedy in asking DJ not to leave).
Mum continues : “I knew it was wrong, but I was too weak to resist. Then all those following years, I ended up hurting my own children. I’m relieved that DJ is smarter than me. You’re a good person. Aren’t you?” (Poor JYD. In order to be a good person in Mum’s eyes, he needs to give up DJ.)
Mum : “I had good looks but I was a terrible judge of character. Just stay by her side. Be healthy and be there for her for a very long time.” Her sudden pats on the back surprise Ju “Just don’t get sick.”
(I’m reminded of how the hard thump on his back surprised Chase. Both times the person doing the patting/thumping meant to say that Ju and Chase should slow down. They should last a long time/eat more).
Other Thoughts
In a bid to be fortune tellers, Ha Neul and Seong Won check the stars and say that they are aligned so that DJ and Ju should be dating properly, but are dissatisfied that they aren’t. (Well this is going against the real fortune teller saying that Ju is not meant to be alive at present.)
Even the psychology test on being a relationship virgin was more accurate than the guys. We find out that Ju’s responses are consistent with his actions at the end of this episode.
Ju had said in that psychology test :
“Breaking up with someone out of love is understandable – definitely true.”
“My biggest fear is them getting hurt by me (collage of shots of the chair in Ju’s office where he’d slept while letting DJ use his desk, water still dripping into the pail, the Dr Hollow figure and the now dried up forsythia twig) – definitely true.”
“I’d rather die than see them cry because of me – definitely true.”
(So this is a sign that he’s making a mistake, but having a dating IQ of 57, between that of a dog and a pig, plus with the pressures from what Mum said and his fear of causing hurt, this is understandable. LOL.)
Just like Mum, DJ runs the water in the bathroom when she wanted to cry. Her tears however only came properly when Mum came to be with her.
DJ had thought of her Mum in Voiceover: “That’s when I realised, Mum had been scared her whole life that he might come looking for us. Mum and my brother, we all remembered it. The memories that seemed to have faded away, only seemed so because I avoided recalling them. To live a life without seeing the man who had once been the love of her life, what did she have to go through. Her past love ended up becoming a knife stuck in our throats. Was she ever able to cry her heart out? Did she run the water even when she was alone?”
I hope that DJ’s grief will not be a new knife stuck in her throat. With Mum’s help, maybe things might work out better and settle faster.
Random thoughts on the comment made by Show
The scene of filming a ‘movie’ that would make DJ jealous had 1 scene of the Imaginary Eun Ha trying to be the femme fatale seducing Ju, and failing. Imaginary Ju rejected her advances. On how she cornered and held him down while confessing her love, Imaginary Ju calls EH controlling. “I could try to understand this by blaming the media for making such actions look romantic. But if that’s not the case and you simply find joy in doing this, I think you should receive therapy.” LOL.
There are two great comments made here. 1) it tells us what controlling behaviour looks like so we can examine ourselves or others, and figure out whether someone needs therapy.
2) It is a snide comment on how the media is at fault for portraying controlling behaviour as romantic, which I do agree with. Many young girls, including myself before I was ‘educated’, thought it was okay for 1 half of the couple to be grabby and authoritative in a relationship.
LOL how innocent Ha Neul’s imaginings are about what an angry Ju would do… brush his teeth furiously LOLOL. I think he may get eaten up by Jin Ho if they do get together.
Ari’s imagination is more accurate. If Cheol Do tried to go out with DJ, she’d probably chase him with a frying pan. We’ve seen that she threatened her brother with a pan before!
Gotta run! Will be back to read later.
Yes, @GB, thanks to the writer and director for letting us see into the imaginations of DJ’s and YD’s friends. They’re so funny and spacey, but someone always brings them back down to earth.
I was thinking how wonderful it is that DJ’s friends and YD’s friends (and ex) are becoming friends among themselves. Doesn’t that speak to how well DJ and YD mesh, if the people with whom they surround themselves get along? I wish YD would open his eyes to the wonderful support group that would gather wholeheartedly around DJ if needed in his absence.
LOL @Welmaris, the pairing up of Cheol Do and Ari. Tae Jung and Eun Ha will be a noona romance, but maybe EH will be less bossy and controlling with TJ because she and his Mum get along. I found her pretty bossy with DJ.
I so detest these kinds of break-ups. They always have a 1 day or in this case, a 5 minute special time together, as the prelude to the ugly break-up. And then the ‘noble idiocy’ part gets inserted where one party stupidly and wrongly believes that hurting the other party more will reduce the regret at the break-up or some such rot. Well JYD has totally fit the bill of a relationship virgin and fool.
While I commiserate with both parties of our OTP, I still want to give JYD a slap for sticking to his ‘wrong’ way of thinking, after he’d been warned in the psychology test article.
Even the acted out break-up in The Princess Forever drama was more pleasant than Ju’s break-up with DJ. I expected him to have the sense to talk it through with DJ and to end on a positive note, rather than practically push the responsibility on her for choosing scum. Yup he deserves many hard thumps on his back.
Thanks @moonstar for the lyrics of Hard to Say I’m Sorry (Chicago). I went back to listen to it. The lyrics says that he’ll make it up to her.
“After all that we’ve been through
I will make it up to you, I promise to
And after all that’s been said and done
You’re just the part of me I can’t let go
After all that we’ve been through
I will make it up to you, I promise to
You’re going to be the lucky one”
Well, JYD had better do a lot of making up to DJ!!!
Kalimera my agapimenes!
Last night I had a plan on what to write about this episode. Today my mind went completely blank.
This episode’s theme was greed.
We heard about it at least 4 times. The first one was when DJ’s mom was talking to YD. The words that YD took to heart.
He thought he was greedy for asking DJ to stay with him.
He revealed it to Detective Ko in that hospital lobby, while DJ was there.
Then Ga Yeong felt the same regarding Patrick and the “meta” reference was in that TV Show that GY played the Princess.
She said to that man ” Ι was greedy…”
So, YD desperately wanted to live in order to be with DJ, became greedy, or so he thought.
Greed is one of the seven sins. All those people were not greedy, they were in love.
Here we get to see a misconception. Love has nothing to do with greed. I don’t know why they linked those two.
Being in love is not greed. To wish to live longer with the person you love is not greed.
If the person who is your partner is alcoholic and abusive that is not your mistake. It is theirs.
DJ’s mom fixed this by taking the kids and herself away from him.
The only mistake that DJ’s mom did was to listen to the Shaman and say things to YD, while she didn’t talk with DJ about it first.
Here is the trascription of the telephone scene. As per usual in the parethesis are my words.
DJ: Hey, Mom. Sorry I didn’t pick up.
Mom: No, that’s fine. Where are you?
DJ: I just got home.
M: Why do you sound so down?
DJ: Mom…Mr. Ju is…
M: Oh, I know. Did he tell you that he came to Gangneung?
Not yet? He said he’d tell you once you were back in Seoul.
…
What did we talk about?
Let’s see. He didn’t say much. I just yapped away.
I said, “Be healthy and be there for her for a very long time. Just don’t get sick.
If you do, I’ll kill you.” Anyway, I wonder why he hasn’t told you yet.
Did you guys fight?
DJ starts to get emotional, upon hearing what her mother said to YD.
DJ: Mom. Did you really tell him not to get sick?
M: Then should I have told him to get sick?
DJ starts sobbing and yells at her mom.
DJ: Why did you say that? Why did you say that to him?
M: What’s wrong? Is something wrong?
DJ: Why did you say that? He’s already sick.
He doesn’t want to see me because he’s sick!
How can I tell him to stay by my side when you told him that?
Why did you say tha to him Omma?
M: Da-jeong. Are you okay? (We can hear DJ sobbing uncontrolably.)
DJ: Mom, I’m not okay. I’m sorry I yelled at you. I’m sorry for crying out of the blue.
But…
M: No. You can cry in front of me. Should I go there right now?
DJ: Omma. You know what? He doesn’t even have a mom he can call and cry to.
So who can he turn to? He propably won’t be able to break up with me either.
He tried doing that once. He said we should be friends, but I went over to his place…
and told him that a two-hour eternity was fine.
Omma, I think I make a mistake. I…came to like him too much.
My heart breaks for him.
M: Da-jeong….Da-jeong.
This scene is great acting. The emotions were up to the point and the things that DJ said to her Omma are valid.
We get to see that people’s interference sometimes have the opposite effect from the likeable one.
I agree with @Welmaris and @GB that their break up was an ugly one.
I don’t want to add more about it.
On the other hand, we got to see that while DJ has a lot of person around her, YD on the other side is totally alone.
He cried alone, while on the contrary DJ cried while her mother was there.
YD may have friends, like Cheon Seung Won and Seo Ha Neul, but they don’t seem to know the inner troubles that he faces. Instead his secretary Oh Mi-kyung (our lovely Secretary Mo in TK:EM) as a woman knows more about him.
As for Ian Chase and the Mystery Man. I am glad that our hypothesis that the Twins were not murders is valid.
I was pretty sure that Chae Jun was set up and that Ian Chase was set up as well. The fact that the Vice Chairwoman knew the truth and still let CJ to be marked as a killer shows that she is ruthless and I tend to agree with @Welmaris’ theory that the Cult Church and their Company are connected somehow.
@Moonstar512, I am glad I helped. I think that Ian Chase wants everything Young Do has, including DJ.
My Dear @GB, @Cleo and @Welmaris
Thank you so much for your comments.
You all wrote what I’ve been thinking and what I wanna say perfectly. 🥺🥺
I don’t know if it is because I was too sad yesterday and I hate for being too gloomy that’s why I’ve always been trying to see some hope/light even in the darkest situation. I realize maybe it’s not good tho.. one has to really experience every feeling, including the uncomfortable sadness, and scared in helplessness..
I also think that DJ and JYD breakup is the ugly one. What @Welmaris said about the breakup is so on point.
@GB, wow thanks for the video. I don’t know that Hard To Say I’m Sorry could be used for skating.. what a really cool stage they had!
And YES GB!! JYD has a loooot to do for making up with DJ. I agree with @Cleo, that being in love is not a greed. I hope that JYD will learn this soon. 😞😞
On Random thoughts of the comments made by show:
I’m so glad that the writer and the director address this issue out loud in this drama. Finally there is a sane writer who brave enough to bring this up to the surface. I hope the viewers of this drama could think about this more deeply. It is so irritating to see that many people (in my case, the younger girls) view that controlling behavior is somekind of romantic. There are some of young online writers too who create the romantic scenes filled with this behavior too because maybe that’s what they’ve been learnt from medias (including some other kdramas). So yeah bravo for the duo creators..!! I hope that more people get educated about this issue.
@Cleo, thank you so much for writing the conversation between DJ and her mom. Eventhough it was heartbreaking but I really like that scene. I like SHJ acting so much here.. I also touched when DJ’s mom finally came to DJ’s house and she hugged her mom. This is so me, nomatter how old I am, whenever I face a hard situation it is very comforting for me to be with my mom. To hug her and to cry on her shoulder. 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Ohh dear JYD, I am sad for him but at the same time I want to smack his head too. Lol.
Hi @Skayt
Glad you join us in this thread. We’ve analyzed in the previous threads about the other culprit other than Ian Chase too.. and I think we all go for the same direction.
@Welmaris,
thank you for raising up our mood.. 🤩
I’ve been thinking that Haneul will end up with Jinho too but my sister said she prefers Haneul end up with Eunha. And we see the scenes of Haneul Eunha more than before, and on the other side, Haneul looks afraid with Jinho when she came to apologize, LOLL..
I’m with you on Eunha with TJ: I saw them “suits” perfectly somehow.
Ahh we only got two weeks left for this show. It’s been a great pleasure reading your writings in this thread.. I hope we got brighter episodes next week.
Have a great day everyone..
I haven’t watched the eps this week yet. Huhuhu… will have some free time tonight and hopefully can catch up. Will read your posts and share thoughts afterwards.
Hope everyone is doing well!
Hello, @Janey! Even though there are sad parts, there are also funny and sweet parts, so enjoy watching. And are you doing okay, or is your area covered with smoke from the Dixie fire? I heard from a friend that drift smoke from that fire is so bad in Salt Lake City that their air quality rated the worst in the whole world one day recently.
@Welmaris – the Dixie fire smoke drift is felt in our area. Our air quality was bad last week and moderate this week. We are wearing mask for 2 purposes!
@Janey oh dear the smoke and bad air quality. Yes, keep the masks on and stay indoors as far as you can. We have it bad here when our neighbouring countries do their burning. It didn’t happen this year, which might be ‘thanks’ to the pandemic.
@moonstar, it’s always good to look for and be able to see the light even in the darkest situations. You are not negating how bad the circumstances are, but accepting that it happens and besides the negative way, there’s also the positive way of looking at things. All bad situations/dark clouds have a silver lining. It’s just a matter of seeing it from a different perspective. So by all means, let’s be gloomy together and accept it, then we move on with hope. I believe that mental health (where one is genetically not inclined towards illness) is largely centered on accepting our realities.
I like that Show still give us nuggets of information on mental health. This week, we hear DJ’s mum asking if regret is a sign of mental illness.
Mum : “Is regretting also a sign of mental illness?”
Ju : “If you can admit that you’re regretful, you’re actually on the healthy side.”
So being able to say that we know we are sad, is good. We embrace it, cry about it, and then we let it go. I believe that’s healthy. I figure that it’s those who deny the reality or won’t let go of stuff that should be left, who are less healthy.
Stay safe y’all!
Kalimera my agapimenes!
@Janey I am glad to know you are okay. I totally can relate about the bad air from the wildfires. Last night it rained for a while and some said that God heard our prayers.
I managed to get away from our capital for a some days and I am trying to relax, which is not that easy, but still. Stay safe !
@Welmaris I went to a Korean restaurant the other day but I didn’t take a hot dish. I prefered the chicken one that was superb!I had their salad as a side dish that I liked very very much.
@GB I do hope you are okay as well…
@Moonstar512 we learn many things by observing. If only we could understand what is acceptable or not, we could be happy…
@Cleo, I’m very glad to read you and to know that you’re okay. Please do not feel pressured to write if you’re not in the mood. I understand what it is like to see so much loss and heartbreak.
I’m pretty tied up too, but I’m fine. We’ll keep each other in mind, in our prayers.
Hey my agapimeni @GB,
I am feeling better. I decided that I have to stay strong. So staying strong is my only option at the moment. It helps that we are talking about these stuff with my friends.
I am glad to learn you are okay. Take good care of yourself.
Of course we will keep each other in mind, in our prayers…. <3
@Janey,
I hope that the smoke will be gone and the air quality in your area will be improved sooon. Will read your thought lateer 🙂🙂
@GB,
Oh thank you so much for your kind words. I get goosebumps reading about accepting. Because in fact that’s what I’ve been learning. Last couple of months when I suffered from insomnia, I thought it was nothing. I thought I was fine. But actually I was not, I felt anxious, I felt scared, I felt really sad. You’re right GB, accepting the reality is my first step to fix whatever I need to fix. I’m glad that watching YAMS give me the opportunity to learn more about mental health.. also being in a discussion together with you all here, learning from each other perspective and support each other too: I’m forever be grateful for this. 🌷🌷
@Cleo,
Yes cleo we learn by observing.. we might not know directly about things that would acceptable or not.. but as long as we’re openminded and continue to learn, I believe we will get there someday!!
It’s really nice to know that you’re feeling better now. 🍀🍀
So much heartbreak in this week’s episodes…I found some solace in drooling over Ahn Ga Yeong’s yellow dress.
@Snow Flower, does anything inspire you to compose a melody for YAMS?
@moonstar, you can always come here and share your stress with us. We’re all facing our own ‘realities’ which we probably wish were just in a drama. However we know we have to live through them, in as healthy a way as possible. Peace be with you!
@GB, I am so behind with composing. I have to finish music for Navillera, Bossam, and Youth of May. If someone has a cool title or an image/scene in mind for a tune inspired by YAMS, please share. I will try to catch up eventually. Thank you for asking!
Dear @GB,
Sure!!! Thank you GB 🌷🌷🌷
this thread has been helping me somehow cope up with my own reality. I hope after YAMS over we will meet another great drama to discuss together..
@SnowFlower
Do you like Gayeong’s yellow dress? It’s pretty, and because it’s yellow, it reminds me of Belle’s dress somehow hahaha..
Wow so many music you have to finish..
i will wait patiently for you to finish music for YAMS 🙂🙂
Have a great weekend everyone.
Hopefully next week episodes are far much lighter..
Dear agapimenes and lovelies of YAMS, I finally was able to watch the 2 episodes today after the Healer rewatch. First of all, thank you for the good thoughts, I really appreciate it. I wish we can do more to prevent these fires, it feels like a helpless situation at times. It was also a hectic week so it’s good to have the weekend break and kdrama de-stress.
These 2 episodes were a roller coaster of emotions. I read all the comments above and thanks for the insights and dialogue transcripts.
My random thoughts:
I was deeply moved and crying with DJ when she was talking with her mom on the phone. The “noble idiocy” trope and the bad breakup were so painful, even a more mature/older love story can still fall prey to this. They have not even enjoyed the full dating experience (finding it hard to get a dinner venue was foreshadowing), holding hands, telling their friends of their relationship and they are already breaking up! Argh!!! I bet their friends will give them some alone time if they asked. They do not have to use their wild imaginations to get them together. Those were funny scenes though.
Now I understand why YD’s friends often stay with him and barge into his home, sometimes annoyingly. It’s because they are looking after him and his health and checking if he is ok. YD, breaking up is not good for your heart!!! For a sec, I thought it was him who knocked at DJ’s door and came back (just like DJ did at his house). I’m glad it was the mom but I wished he crossed the line again.
Isn’t it interesting that DJ and YD have the same birthday? Do they even know that?
Majin group has their stamp all over this mystery man killer. That lady was very manipulative, even subverting justice (and evidence) to suit her agenda. I’m glad everything got captured through the spy camera. I’m glad Ian was not a murderer. Although he has a bone to chew on YD, I would like to see some redemption arc for him.
@Janey, it concerns me that the evil, manipulative Vice Chairwoman of Majin was the one who had the spycam planted in Choi Jeong Min’s flat two years before Ian Chase agreed to help her with her dirty succession plan. She wanted leverage on Ian through his twin brother. She only quickly agreed to the server service’s release of the spycam footage because it suited her purposes, and may have kept the police–with warrant–from finding the device address at the receiving end of the stream, which might have linked the spycam to Majin.
@Welmaris, that’s true. VC of Majin exists only to serve her own ends. If there had been a risk that Majin would have been compromised, she’d have thrown Chase under the bus as well. She’s playing a very long game, starting from years previously, just so that she can get rid of her father without suspicion, and take over Majin. Yes, where is that brother of hers? The Watcher is possibly him. Like sister, like brother?
@Packmule3, thanks for giving us the space on your blog to discuss You Are My Spring. Tomorrow Episode 13 will be released on Netflix, so I’m writing to beg you to open a new thread for us for eps. 13 & 14. Thanks!
Thanks for the reminder, @Welmaris. You know I need it. 😂
I’m almost home now. I’ll post it in an hour.