You’re welcome, @Cleopatra. I didn’t have time to add gifs when I created this thread. It looks like I gave it scant attention. 😕
Cleopatra
@Packmule3,
It’s okay. No worries! Are you still awake?
Cleopatra
@Packmule3,
The past days I cannot sleep early too. I think it is the heat wave… 🙄
Welmaris
After watching both episodes, I’m moderately entertained, but find this show continues to rely on over-the-top comedic performances to offset the dark elements of the plot. The good guys are buffoons. The good girls are shrewish. And in these episodes romantic potential is coming to the fore, but in a way that seems more animalistic drive than mature expression of deep emotion.
Cleopatra
Kalimera everyone,
I managed to watch back to back the latest two episodes. I enjoyed those two episodes. It had less bickering and more suspence.
@Welmaris you are right. The comical relief comes from those goofy moments.
Because the theme of the show is dark indeed. I have read somewhere that this story started as a novel or was it a webtoon ? I am not that sure at the moment…🙄
The dark elements of the plot has to do with corruption in the higher parts of society. I want to see how big that is. So far, we can say that it is disturbing to talk about murdering someone like it is some kind of joke…
Growing Beautifully (GB)
This is for Ep 13. My thoughts always return to how rigid is the custom of loyalty to one’s saviour, so much so that one becomes practically a slave for life. The backstory of the killer is actually pathetic but his choices and his being moulded by a more evil person, totally spoilt any hope for his being rehabilitated when young.
I did expect Aunty Im to come up in killer’s past but I didn’t expect that she’d look the same age as now. It’s scary to think that she can look the same/that young for over 20 years! Everyone around her looks older than her now, but she should be in her late 40s.
However, she strangely also serves a master who was a child, although she was an adult then. We are not shown why. Our Prosecutor Cha may have divided loyalties too, (since family is still family), at the time of the arrest.
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Episode 15 – So close and yet, so far.
The team closes in on the mastermind behind the murders and corruption, and then there is a twist. Something I expected somewhere earlier, but I guess when enough has gone on and we get all comfortable, it’s a good time to evoke disbelief.
The only question is why it should be something perpetrator brings up now when it was well buried. No one was going to know about it, so why?
Did the need to seek justice come head-to-head against trauma?
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Episode 16 – this is not the end!!! There are 2 more episodes to go. I watch it just to finish it off but I’ve been FFDing instead of catching every bit. I can’t see why those people are brainwashed the way they are to do the crazy guy’s every bidding. It’s not convincing, and show no longer holds the interest for me that would get me to want to rewatch to figure things out.
Cleopatra
Kalimera @GB Unnie!
I have watched Episode 15 as well and yes the plot twist was unexpected or wasn’t?
I was thinking that the brothers’ condition should be shared and something was tricky indeed.
I haven’t watched Episode 16 yet, and yes there are two more episodes to go…
I have missed Aos… o.O
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
*SPOILERS for Cafe*
Hi @Cleo, I’m glad someone else besides me watched Cafe. I sort of expected it from some time in the beginning. I just felt the set up with the prosecutor hanging around the police felt so false, and that he was too good to be true. But after so many episodes, I got lulled into thinking my gut feeling was wrong.
So the twist did surprise me in the end. It felt very ‘forced’ though… the story did not unfold naturally. The thing about him forgetting and trying to bring his brother to justice, when in the end he would end up targeting himself, seemed so off.
The issue with Auntie Im looking just the same when he was a kid and now when he’s an adult also is hard to believe.
I wonder if his brother knows everything. If so, he should be the one being scared of his sibling.
I’m not convinced that he’s a psychopath, or show fails to convince. He has too easy a time looking ‘normal’. I guess Show wants us to believe that the amazing psychiatrist was able to get him to change his behaviour so radically. Although a killer might be a psychopath, being a psychopath does not make him a killer… and I wish show would make this clear.
Cleopatra
Kalimera Unnie!
S P O I L E R S…
Yes, continue to watch this, although I am watching the episodes rather slow.
It was indeed weird that he was hanging around the police for the same reasons you posted. At the same time, after watching Episode 15, you can say that he didn’t take into consideration that Nam told him about the burn in the arm of Gopuri.
Little did we know, he was covering him.
At the same time, my eyes was to his older brother. They are both sociopaths, but Procesutor Cha hides it so well. Let us not forget, that he managed to fool Han’s sister. Not only by killing her brother, he even had the nerve to confess to her!
Procecutor Cha has a split personality, while his brother since I haven’t watched Episode 16 is messed up by the experiments they did on him.
The thing is how are they going to end this?
I mean Prosecutor Cha is one step above them all the time, because he had inside information all along. From the spoilers, I even learned he framed Nam again…
As for Auntie Im, yes that scene was pretty weird. They shouldn’t have kept the adult actress and we got pranked because we believed we were watching the older Cha brother, when he was the younger.
Cha thinks he is a vigilante when he is a cold blooded murderer.
Most likely his older brother had to become like this, in order to survive his brother’s tendencies…
Welmaris
@GrowingBeautifully and @Cleopatra, I am also watching this show through to the end. @Packmule3’s greeting at the top of this thread is her usual “Enjoy the show”; instead, I’m barely tolerating it. It’s always been a messy mix-up of comedy and horror, not being convincing with either, but the show has gotten worse as it nears the end. Shooting for a didn’t-see-that-coming twist does not necessarily equate with good scriptwriting.
The body count in this show is high, and the violence is too explicit, in my opinion. Trying to take the edge off scenes of intense human suffering–physical and psychological–by interspersing then with scenes of characters carrying on like buffoons, makes me think the true psychopath of this drama is Writernim.
SPOILER ALERT
This screenwriter makes plot twists out of suspected murderers having “good” motives for killing. Gopuri suspect #1 wanted to avenge the death of his daughter, who committed suicide after her rapist was set free. He may not have done the actual killing, but he contracted another to do it for him, which makes him fully culpable. Gopuri suspect #2 was beaten as a child by his father, then is taken in by people who manipulated him. The actual Gopuri is a psychopath whose father covered for him instead of letting him suffer consequences of his actions. He was psychologically manipulated to change memories of his first murder and redirect his behavior…or not. We see in flashbacks that Prosecutor Cha has been on a long streak of retribution killings, even before murdering his colleague Prosecutor Han. We learn that Shaman Im was started on her road to ruin by Chairman Cha tasking her with making the murder of his son’s victim look like a suicide.
Are people less guilty of performing an illegal act because someone told them to do it? No. Do those who have rotten childhoods get a free pass when they commit crimes as adults? No. One’s past may provide mitigating circumstances, but doesn’t absolve a perpetrator of all responsibility.
This screenwriter and director combo annoy me with their carelessness. Is Cafe Minamdang a busy shop with hoards of adoring fans awaiting its opening every morning, or not? Why are Gopuri’s victims always given a shot in the neck? They’re conscious and able to move afterwards, so what’s the point? (Pun not intended, but acknowledged.) Who still uses those big metal syringes to give injections? And when the psychiatrist was killed, impulsively according to profiler-extraordinaire Nam, why was Prosecutor Cha carrying a syringe with him? In that case it was a standard disposable syringe, and he pulled off the needle cap with his mouth, spitting it onto the floor. That cap was bright orange, and he didn’t pick it up before he ran away. So why doesn’t a forensic team find it and extract his DNA? And don’t get me started on Nam and Han lingering at the crime scene–inexplicably wearing exam gloves–instead of sealing it off to preserve evidence.
If I’ve got so many complaints about this show, why do I stick around? I dunno. I usually finish what I start.
Thank you for the new thread Q! 🙂
Kalimera and thank you for the new thread @Packmule3!
I didn’t have time to watch the episode yesterday. Hopefully today…
You’re welcome, @Cleopatra. I didn’t have time to add gifs when I created this thread. It looks like I gave it scant attention. 😕
@Packmule3,
It’s okay. No worries! Are you still awake?
@Packmule3,
The past days I cannot sleep early too. I think it is the heat wave… 🙄
After watching both episodes, I’m moderately entertained, but find this show continues to rely on over-the-top comedic performances to offset the dark elements of the plot. The good guys are buffoons. The good girls are shrewish. And in these episodes romantic potential is coming to the fore, but in a way that seems more animalistic drive than mature expression of deep emotion.
Kalimera everyone,
I managed to watch back to back the latest two episodes. I enjoyed those two episodes. It had less bickering and more suspence.
@Welmaris you are right. The comical relief comes from those goofy moments.
Because the theme of the show is dark indeed. I have read somewhere that this story started as a novel or was it a webtoon ? I am not that sure at the moment…🙄
The dark elements of the plot has to do with corruption in the higher parts of society. I want to see how big that is. So far, we can say that it is disturbing to talk about murdering someone like it is some kind of joke…
This is for Ep 13. My thoughts always return to how rigid is the custom of loyalty to one’s saviour, so much so that one becomes practically a slave for life. The backstory of the killer is actually pathetic but his choices and his being moulded by a more evil person, totally spoilt any hope for his being rehabilitated when young.
I did expect Aunty Im to come up in killer’s past but I didn’t expect that she’d look the same age as now. It’s scary to think that she can look the same/that young for over 20 years! Everyone around her looks older than her now, but she should be in her late 40s.
However, she strangely also serves a master who was a child, although she was an adult then. We are not shown why. Our Prosecutor Cha may have divided loyalties too, (since family is still family), at the time of the arrest.
Episode 15 – So close and yet, so far.
The team closes in on the mastermind behind the murders and corruption, and then there is a twist. Something I expected somewhere earlier, but I guess when enough has gone on and we get all comfortable, it’s a good time to evoke disbelief.
The only question is why it should be something perpetrator brings up now when it was well buried. No one was going to know about it, so why?
Did the need to seek justice come head-to-head against trauma?
Episode 16 – this is not the end!!! There are 2 more episodes to go. I watch it just to finish it off but I’ve been FFDing instead of catching every bit. I can’t see why those people are brainwashed the way they are to do the crazy guy’s every bidding. It’s not convincing, and show no longer holds the interest for me that would get me to want to rewatch to figure things out.
Kalimera @GB Unnie!
I have watched Episode 15 as well and yes the plot twist was unexpected or wasn’t?
I was thinking that the brothers’ condition should be shared and something was tricky indeed.
I haven’t watched Episode 16 yet, and yes there are two more episodes to go…
I have missed Aos… o.O
*SPOILERS for Cafe*
Hi @Cleo, I’m glad someone else besides me watched Cafe. I sort of expected it from some time in the beginning. I just felt the set up with the prosecutor hanging around the police felt so false, and that he was too good to be true. But after so many episodes, I got lulled into thinking my gut feeling was wrong.
So the twist did surprise me in the end. It felt very ‘forced’ though… the story did not unfold naturally. The thing about him forgetting and trying to bring his brother to justice, when in the end he would end up targeting himself, seemed so off.
The issue with Auntie Im looking just the same when he was a kid and now when he’s an adult also is hard to believe.
I wonder if his brother knows everything. If so, he should be the one being scared of his sibling.
I’m not convinced that he’s a psychopath, or show fails to convince. He has too easy a time looking ‘normal’. I guess Show wants us to believe that the amazing psychiatrist was able to get him to change his behaviour so radically. Although a killer might be a psychopath, being a psychopath does not make him a killer… and I wish show would make this clear.
Kalimera Unnie!
S P O I L E R S…
Yes, continue to watch this, although I am watching the episodes rather slow.
It was indeed weird that he was hanging around the police for the same reasons you posted. At the same time, after watching Episode 15, you can say that he didn’t take into consideration that Nam told him about the burn in the arm of Gopuri.
Little did we know, he was covering him.
At the same time, my eyes was to his older brother. They are both sociopaths, but Procesutor Cha hides it so well. Let us not forget, that he managed to fool Han’s sister. Not only by killing her brother, he even had the nerve to confess to her!
Procecutor Cha has a split personality, while his brother since I haven’t watched Episode 16 is messed up by the experiments they did on him.
The thing is how are they going to end this?
I mean Prosecutor Cha is one step above them all the time, because he had inside information all along. From the spoilers, I even learned he framed Nam again…
As for Auntie Im, yes that scene was pretty weird. They shouldn’t have kept the adult actress and we got pranked because we believed we were watching the older Cha brother, when he was the younger.
Cha thinks he is a vigilante when he is a cold blooded murderer.
Most likely his older brother had to become like this, in order to survive his brother’s tendencies…
@GrowingBeautifully and @Cleopatra, I am also watching this show through to the end. @Packmule3’s greeting at the top of this thread is her usual “Enjoy the show”; instead, I’m barely tolerating it. It’s always been a messy mix-up of comedy and horror, not being convincing with either, but the show has gotten worse as it nears the end. Shooting for a didn’t-see-that-coming twist does not necessarily equate with good scriptwriting.
The body count in this show is high, and the violence is too explicit, in my opinion. Trying to take the edge off scenes of intense human suffering–physical and psychological–by interspersing then with scenes of characters carrying on like buffoons, makes me think the true psychopath of this drama is Writernim.
SPOILER ALERT
This screenwriter makes plot twists out of suspected murderers having “good” motives for killing. Gopuri suspect #1 wanted to avenge the death of his daughter, who committed suicide after her rapist was set free. He may not have done the actual killing, but he contracted another to do it for him, which makes him fully culpable. Gopuri suspect #2 was beaten as a child by his father, then is taken in by people who manipulated him. The actual Gopuri is a psychopath whose father covered for him instead of letting him suffer consequences of his actions. He was psychologically manipulated to change memories of his first murder and redirect his behavior…or not. We see in flashbacks that Prosecutor Cha has been on a long streak of retribution killings, even before murdering his colleague Prosecutor Han. We learn that Shaman Im was started on her road to ruin by Chairman Cha tasking her with making the murder of his son’s victim look like a suicide.
Are people less guilty of performing an illegal act because someone told them to do it? No. Do those who have rotten childhoods get a free pass when they commit crimes as adults? No. One’s past may provide mitigating circumstances, but doesn’t absolve a perpetrator of all responsibility.
This screenwriter and director combo annoy me with their carelessness. Is Cafe Minamdang a busy shop with hoards of adoring fans awaiting its opening every morning, or not? Why are Gopuri’s victims always given a shot in the neck? They’re conscious and able to move afterwards, so what’s the point? (Pun not intended, but acknowledged.) Who still uses those big metal syringes to give injections? And when the psychiatrist was killed, impulsively according to profiler-extraordinaire Nam, why was Prosecutor Cha carrying a syringe with him? In that case it was a standard disposable syringe, and he pulled off the needle cap with his mouth, spitting it onto the floor. That cap was bright orange, and he didn’t pick it up before he ran away. So why doesn’t a forensic team find it and extract his DNA? And don’t get me started on Nam and Han lingering at the crime scene–inexplicably wearing exam gloves–instead of sealing it off to preserve evidence.
If I’ve got so many complaints about this show, why do I stick around? I dunno. I usually finish what I start.