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Hi @pkm3, thanks for scheduling this early. This way I won’t be anxiously wondering if I’ll see this thread pop-up tomorrow. Have you got hold of the shows to watch for WAWW in October yet?
Not yet, @GB. I’ll take a look at next month’s offering tonight. 🙂
Hello dear@PM3 and dear @GB!, how are you?.
Hello there @FGB! I’m doing great! How about you? Had your breakfast already?
Hi @GB & @FGB, I am lurking here.
Hello @GB and @FGB! I had to miss last week and may have to leave early this week, but I am settling in this morning, cup of coffee at the ready.
Hi there @FF! I’m lurking too and watching “Are You Safe” while I wait for time.
Great to see you here @SD! You’re always welcome to drop in/out as you need to. Did you manage to watch Episode 5?
A pair of bananas and heating leftover Mjadara (Sepharditic recipe of rice with caramelized onions and lentils) on a small pot. Ready to start, though 😉
Hello!
Hi @GB! Yes, I watched it (3rd time, 4th time?) and paused to read comments.
Hi @WE!
H @WE!
Hello @SD, coffee is a necessity for civilized life 😉
If you have to retire early, please remember that there are lurkers like me that reads and posts well after the viewing has ended. So your late comments are more than welcomed 😀
Everybody here today, GB, STD, FGB, FF. 😉
Hi @SD, @WE. Sidetrack a bit, I finished W 2 Worlds but don’t quite get it… the story.
@FGB, I thought about commenting last week (I couldn’t find the blue filter @WE spoke of), but then eh, didn’t.
Yes, it seems we’re ALL here today!! Let’s start NOW!!!
@FF, rewatch it. 🙂
Or ask questions here/in PM on mydramalist. Or read the thread of our rewatch. But rewatching sounds good. ^^
@FF, What was it about W2Worlds that puzzled you? @WE can explain most everything in that Show! 🙂
@WE, yup will find time to read the W2W thread. Let’s start today’s rewatch.
So while Bong Doo is learning to use the telephone mayhem breaks loose in Joseon…
@FGB fortunately BD survived in modern day Jeju. He could have been roadkill!!!
He escapes prison on Jeju. But needs to die now.
OH, it’s done. 🙂
Bad new, the killer saw him almost disapear.
I’m here!
So BD stole clothes and a bag again!! Amazing where he always gets his skull caps from to hide his long hair. This episode will be the last we see of his long hair I think. He also has no money so he must be starving.
I am forever amazed (lol) at how BD manages to find pants that fit (and so well) and shoes!
Where did Bong Do get his clothes and money from? He is still bleeding from the arrow that glazed past his head.
Hi @Monmor! So we’re really ALL here. Did we forget anyone?
@GB @SD, how Bong Do always managed to steal clothes that are stylish and fitting? So amazing.
Hi Monmor!
Hi MM, now we are really complete. 😉
TEAM QIHM!
I don’t know why, but lot of focus on the wound he have on his front.
Yes, @SD, and just when he needs it most, he gets a bag with money and a tourist guide in Chinese which he can read since his time had Chinese script. He can figure his way around with the guide and learn how to recognise the money, how use the phone… so convenient!!
@FF, not only do the stolen clothes look good on him, but he gives himself a stylish haircut!! LOL.
I like the way the scene flips relatively quickly between Joseon era and modern times, especially since the Joseon era scenes are of an escapee and frenzied attempts to capture him (and befuddlement by bureaucracy).
Again, usual SJJ trick. He have money, clothes? But how?!! Answer in a later flashback, aaahhhh.
Some scenes splits present/past.
While in the past they ask what he is up to now… in the present he’s about to cut his hair Hah! If only they knew what he was up to! They’d be so shocked.
Bong Do can also cut his own hair so nicely, if I were to cut my own hair I think I can only manage Beatles style.
I didn’t notice the script. I am on Myasiantv and it’s a bit fuzzy.
@SD: and split images, with modern MAP / Scene from the past. I suppose this in the script. But about the others split screen in the phone boot, I guess it’s more the director choice.
@SD, yes, and the past scenes are frantic while we see BD so relaxed in the present, just figuring everything out with the guide book to help him. I like his smile as he speaks with HJ.
Regarding the wound Might it be about his vulnerability in the joseon era. Initially I thought he was cutting his hair to tend to the wound. He had been doing fine wearing his hair in a top knot under a tuque. Is it representing something about staying in the modern era?
@SD, the tourists were speaking Chinese so I guessed it was Chinese script. If they are from Taiwan then it’s in traditional Chinese which I guess BD can read.
@GB, BD has a cheeky smile.
@GB, my too. Throughout his smile when he looks at or figures out HJ is just so gently amused.
Your observation dove tails with my just posted observation.
@MM, yes, that’s an interesting question… why did he feel it best to get a hair cut? To tend the wound? Or he was tired of looking for a cap to wear, wanted to fit in with the modern people, thought he’d be hanging out in the present for a longer time until he could find out what happened from the chronicles again? Or did he already think he’d end up in the present ultimately and might as well look modern.
The crazy thing is they are all on Jeju at this point. 🙂
Dong Min is so naughty. On the one hand I want to slap him at times but he can also be cute. I can see why the ladies find him so charming.
I just noticed this time around that the guy that provides the fake id is dressed just like the ML. No wonder they think he might be a good match, lol.
We can feel from miles these two ones will be the second couple in the end. 🙂
@WE, yes, this Show requires more coincidences. Not only so that BD can get the travel guide and learn how to phone HJ, but Dong Min had to be in Jeju too in order for the next episode’s scenes to work.
@SD, yes that’s right… same look so the ID would work.
LOL, HJ will find that BD never thought her beautiful until he saw her in her Queen costume and hairstyle. She should get more angry than she does LOL.
A resourceful man indeed 😀
LOL getting even… I’m not a player as you accused me of being, so you’re not beautiful which you claim to be LOLOL.
Hello @FF and @WE, looking forward to your analysis!!! 😀
Manager Jo is starting to feel like the 3rd wheel.
LOL BD learns how to speak like a modern person. Jo decides to play the part of ‘parent’ to HJ. At least she’s protective of her charge.
HJ’s manager is irritating and overbearing. Wait till she speaks with BD about his background. He tells the truth yet untrue.
FL friend is almost the role of the mother in law here. ^^
@FF, yes he tells the truth entirely and fortunately the places he mentions have become upmarket LOL. Jo is soooo impressed. She’s easy to take in.
Yes, she’s annoying but also it comes from a good place. She’s looking out for HJ who is childish and impulsive and who has no elders around.
Hui Jin is adorable but I fully get why her friend is frustrated with her XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD
LOL @WE, I like the irony in SJJ’s writing – Jo is so approving of BD now … if only Jo knew that he’s a wanted man and that he lost his whole family 300 years earlier and was taken as a betrayer.
What, she’s about to make him a coffee addict. oO!
@GB, yeah the manager is protective …. keke like WE said MIL style.
Teasing conversation between HJ and BD about cause and effect. The traditional music keeps appearing in this episode.
HJ is just not smart enough to understand or wonder about how BD can be there with her.
LOL her understanding of cause and effect is so childlike!
@GB, I don’t remember if she learn the truth later. But for now, she’s a convinced mother in law. 🙂
Now a romantic (hum hum… or…) scene with white cream on the FL lips. Wipped by the ML.
Lalalalalalalalaaaaaa.
Bratty ex-bf has the common sense to see to see witchy actress for the difficult person she is.
Now BD is getting metaphysical on us.
BD has ways to exact revenge without killing. Min Am is just shaking in his boots all this time… actually he’s being punished already as he suffers anxiety, but he’ll never admit it.
Now, cause to effect and payoff from the various setup, the villain guess something is wrong, strange, maybe supernatural? So will use the high-concept to his own advantage. Hard times!!
@WE, to be fair Hui Jin has almost no common sense. You could say that her Jimminy the Cricket (Pepe Grillo from Pinocchio) is her friend.
Hello @MM, how are you? 😀
I like the conversation between BD and the little boy. He generally speaks only to HJ and is forced to speak with Jo but he voluntarily chats with the little boy.
Metaphysical in the service of skinship!
I speak about that now I remember it. But in the following situation we will get a proof of change about the FL.
In the hospital room scene, she did nothing to really help the ML, when she could chit chat an easy lie.
But now, after hesitation, she will dare to ACT and help him.
And it’s a so good move from the writer.
Gahh! My computer updated in the middle of this so now I am behind. @GB, re: your comment about how the ML now finds the FL beautiful when he can see her dressed in a way he finds familiar, I am reminded of a section of the Golden Notebook where the main character walks back and forth in front of a construction crew and they do not realize that the woman who shuffles with the scarf tied in her hair and the woman who sashes down the street are the same. Yet they are the same woman. Not this this show really addresses this in spite of the overlay of Buddhist thought about fate and coincidence, but it could lead you down all sorts of paths about how identity is constant (or not) depending on circumstance. And it is interesting that only the ML and FL remember everything (or at least they do eventually).
Han Dong Min is at it again making things difficult for the stewardess.
Now diva Dong Min messes with the airline staff. Another coincidence… he and the bratty actress are in Economy where BD and HJ are.
@WE, now HJ’s acting to help BD becomes more and more bold. The airplane scene takes her ‘help’ to a whole new level. Jo almost has kittens LOL.
@FGB, If you want to find a girl with even less common sens, read my W season2. 😀
@SD, that’s an interesting thought on identity. We are in a show where the FL has 2 identities ie Queen and as herself. ML has one name but he takes on the identity of fugitive, stalker, and suddenly boyfriend LOL.
Oooh… wait… I want to disapear in the toilets??
But with some logic then… I will reaper in Joseon time but… IN THE SKY! 8000 meters high.
I am doing fine but lagging behind and watching the show. I am just at the airplane scene now and I think that is the funniest scene so far of the show. I was glad he decided not to go the past because he would have materialized in mid air. I had also worried about that. When he decided to read this spell in the elevator but luckily enough, the elevator trips a lot shorter. And she stopped him as we all know.
@WE, exactly!! I was wondering how BD could even think of disappearing when he’s in a flying airplane!!!
Dong Min is making a spectacle of himself. BD can’t say anything to save himself, so HJ has to step in.
For some reason, that conjures up the bus stop sceneBut I do not remember any details.
I wonder if BD actually understands when she calls him her boyfriend. There would have been a different term for it 300 years in the past?
@GB, Ahhh never mind. He can do it. Fall from 8000 meters, crash at ground-level, so die, so come back in present time… in the middle of the sea. T T… 😀
I wondered if that was the same little boy from my love from the star who kept showing up near the elevator at their apartment building. That little boy was supposedly a relative of the director or something like that. What a great opportunity for a little child to have a role in a drama
Gosh, she could just say this guy is her history teacher. But now, she go straight for Boyfriend explanation. 🙂
LOL @WE. I wonder if dying in the present would still catapult him back to life or whether he’d just be dead. Heh!
I’ve come to the end. Just 46 minutes 49 seconds long.
@GB, HJ ask BD if they become “lovers” …. so I think our very intelligent BD knows what a boyfriend is.
I had the same thought. He perhaps responded a little bit as though he understood but I was not convinced.
It ends on super cheesy eyes contact with cringy joseon music. 😀
As a confession my dear friend @WE, I think that maybe MAYBE what triggers my attraction to Yoo In-Na is that her roles as a sweet girl with almost no common sense triggers my desire to protect her 😉
Will read it, please post a link 😀
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Given how much I love these particular leads I wouldn’t mind a double cheese fest XD XD XD XD XD XD
@WE, with her early kiss and calling him a player, when she was the player herself, it’s obvious that she’s been wanting him to be her boyfriend for some time now. So she goes in for the kill in public: “He’s my boyfriend!” Hard to get out of this identity now!!!
@GB,if BD dies in the present his dead body could just disappear like the man whom he killed in front of HJ in the woods.
@FF, BD will certainly put together namja jinggu with aein (lover) and find that he suddenly has a girlfriend. LOL
@WE, the music sounds cheesy to you? lol.
I enjoyed watching Dong min failed in his martial arts move.
Not realizing he was up against martial arts expert.
“This fate, what incidents it will cause and what is the effect of it, aren’t you curious?” Ah, the classic time travel conundrum.
@FGB, in real life, a girl like that trigger unknow energy in a man. Wow. So I can stick easely with this story. 😉
@WE, we are just gentlemen of good taste and culture XD XD XD XD XD XD
@FF, no, the scene is cheesy, but the music cringe. ^^
Well, I told about that before, but this music comes often in the drama, making a kind of ridiculous effect. But anyway I don’t care because I like very much the drama. 😉
@FGB, links on my profile here: https://mydramalist.com/profile/7647047
@GB, the way she called him a player… no… It’s just because her heart was stolen! She’s much more a player than him. So unfair to tell him that. aahah, projection. 😉
I like the peanut gallery comments about how dong min embarrassed himself.
“Compared to the trash Hui-Jin has dated before, he’s so much better”… Hell, a mother in law almost the age of his potential wife… a scary prospect indeed XD XD XD XD XD XD…
@FF, however unlike the assassin who disintegrated anv vanished, BD has the talisman, so not sure if he might boomerang back into the present day.
Oops forgot to post this!
Loved the explanation of fate vs. Karma by both Bong Dooo and Hui Jin. She is a hard nut to crack, and that is OK 😉 .
But yes, recognizing that them meeting was fate (guided chance)… but them seeing each other was their own choice 😀
Can anyone help me about posting. Does it make any difference if I click reply in my email or post directly into the
Comment section? Sometimes I realize it is not clear from my posts what I am commenting on Or who I am responding to.
@MM, Peanut Gallery notes that Dong Min switched from being the hero to being the idiot within 5 seconds!! Heh!
@GB, I remember BD saying to go back is easy (he just needs to read the talisman) but to come over is more difficult (coz he must be killed) so I tend to think that if he does not read the talisman in time he may really die in modern time.
@MM, either way we will see your posts but to make it clear whom you’re responding to, start off by typing our handle. We have deliberately shortened everyone’s handle to just 2-3 characters so that we can refer to each other quickly while commenting while live watching together.
@MM I just post in the comments section, but it doesn’t really matter; since we are not truly completely synced our posts are always a bit out of order. That is why we use the ‘@’ symbol (or at least that is what I picked up, ha ha, someone else can tell me if I am wrong). Anyway, mostly you can figure the thread if you just go back to the last comment the person made.
@FF, the logic of whether he’ll die, disintegrate or return to the present alive is never gone into by the Show. I wonder if Writer SJJ actually put down her complete logic for the coming from and going back in time.
So far the place and time correspondence is the necessary element for the story to work.
Yes @SD and @MM, we do go back to read the last comment that the current comment is referring to, or you can put a linking phrase so that we know which comment you’re replying to. The @__ to name the recipient of the post is the most helpful clue, followed by the linking phrase like “About the …”
Thanks everyone for a great rewatch! See you next week. 🙂
@GB and @FF. I never managed to finish the entire series the first time I watched it (I am ahead now by about 5 episodes) so this might be explained somewhere, but I also wonder. What would happen to him at the end of life (in this timeline)? Clearly to get to modern times he disappeared at the time he would have died (or so far that is true). Anyone not witnessing his disappearance would just think he must have died somewhere (not hard in that era to die without it being recorded) and anyone witnessing it would not have been believed. I am not sure it really matters.
@GB, I didn’t think of the dying part until you mentioned it but like what you said that is not important for this drama.
@FG, I too enjoyed the little interplay between the ML and FL regarding fate vs. karma. Enough that I had to google it as I have not ever thought about it much. I guess I am more like Hui Jin, lol.
Poor second lead… his heart is in a good place…
@SD, I wondered about his end of life too after @GB mentioned about DB dying in modern time but I have no theory for that.
@FGB, I need to watch again about fate vs karma. I missed that.
@FF: I can stay any long in present time he want, as long he doesn’t read the talisman. 😉
According to this logic: he could be in present, talisman destroyed and fine. But the situation never happenned in the drama. So maybe the destruction of talisman send him back in time? I don’t know. I stick more to the rule “read it”.
@GB, SJJ create a strong logic. But of course, can be stretched for the sake of dramatic events or plot-twists. And could be a bit blurry (in MOTA). I don’t remember the whole drama, but we’ll see that next.
@SD, mine was an oversimplification. Fate presents us with options, me must decide upon what is possible, then walk that road with its consequences (karma).
In some ways, it is as human as love, hubris or misery 🙂
Thank you everyone for the wonderful party, see you next week or as and when comments pop up. Have a great weekend!
I am thinking that there were comments suggesting a difference between destiny and fate in the conversation between bd And the monk. I wondered if this was something about the translation.
Also, Was the scene in this episode of the conversation between b d and the monk The third time it has been shown in this drama or the second? I have been on repeat watch for a while so I have lost track. In any case it Is an important scene.
Ultimately, I am asking if there is any kind of distinction between fate and destiny Being referenced that is helpful to understanding this show. Or any similar show?
Finally Hui-Jin was brave enough to speak her mind.
Dear friends, will come back later and carefully read your Posts, for now it has been a pleasure 😀
Ah. I’ve to quit too. Good week everyone.
Thank you everyone. I really enjoyed this rewatch and discussion.
Hi all. Belatedly joining after reading the many comments here about Ep 6. The reference at 15:06 that Buddhist belief is “that there are no coincidences in the world—only fate” cements the inevitability of first leads as fated to be together. We are left with wondering then how this will play out then as we can see many obstacles.
I think ep 6 is a fun one…we see BD’s increasing skills in navigating the modern world, the cute banter between the first leads, BD’s calm demeanor re first time flight( guess it pales to actually going back and forth in time!), Dong Min making a fool of himself on plane, and finally HJ’s forceful rescuing of and love declaration to BD.
Thanks for another rewarding Saturday morning🤗
@Monmor, while the chats between BD and the monk are important, I’m not sure if they give very clear explanations. I’d have to hunt down those scenes to listen carefully, in order to know if they give the distinction between fate and destiny.
Even if they don’t, @MM you may have read that @Packmule3 did write about it herself ie from her perspective but on another thread for another show (sorry, I cannot recall which). I believe she was saying that fate is that which we have no control over and when we hear characters use the term, they seem to mean pre-destination imposed upon them (possibly from some external source). Destiny (to put it simply as far as I can recall) is what is chosen by the character.
Timestamp 17:35 While waiting for HJ to come and meet him in Jeju Island, BD remembers his conversation with the monk.
Bong Doo : “There are no coincidences in this world. Why did the master give me the talisman? Is it a way of comforting me so that I will not regret dying? Or is it about the existence of a better world, allowing me to prepare for such an existence? Me going there and meeting that lady, was it really accidental? Or inevitable?”
Monk : “Buddha tells us that there are no coincidences in this world. There is only fate.”
So the monk in rigid, text-book style is saying that BD was fated to meet HJ, ie it was inevitable.
Timestamp 28:23
Bong Doo to HJ : “I’m just asking (why she came all the way to meet him in Jejudo) because I wanted to know the reason. A master I know told me that there are no coincidences. The last time we met was probably because of fate. But this time, it was because I wanted to see you, and contacted you. And you also came here because you wanted to see me. So clearly it is not karma (fate).” (They had made the decision to meet, therefore it was what they destined and not what was fated.)
“Because of the talisman that I have with me, I met you. (I’m guessing he’s using the master’s idea of fated meeting here otherwise there is no logical explanation). That’s why you came all the way here.”
(From our perspective, the talisman only ensures that he does not die in his time and enables him to return, but it has no specific connection to HJ. However because the master claims… and because people there believe in fate, then HJ was meant to enter BD’s life. So it’s the belief in fate that makes something ‘fated’ eventhough it was a random thing that HJ happened to be there when BD first arrived.)
“This fate, what incidents it will cause …and what the effect of it is, aren’t you curious?” (This part is essentially what keeps us viewers riveted LOL. We are the ones who are curious, even if HJ isn’t. All she gets from BD’s review of his meeting her is a headache LOL.)
In our kdrama (or Asian drama) viewing, I’ve always just ‘accepted’ for the sake of the story, the concept of fate as something externally imposed, and which the protagonists consider as preordained and unchangeable. However we see despite this, the protagonists struggle against and try to change fate or control their own trajectories, so that they are not mere puppets but are creatures with agency. I’ve never put it into words before, but simplistically speaking, I believe what keeps us engaged in all our drama viewing is how situations play out between protagonists and fate who are in conflict against each other LOL.
Hi @LL, glad to see you here! Better late than never!!
Yes, the fated thing is to do with the meeting the fated lover – a romantic notion for getting a couple to be together, but still not a fail safe since they can still break up! Perhaps it’s only meant to bring about the first meeting but is no guarantee of loyalty.
@GB. Thank you for the response. I look forward to unpacking it when I have time. Thank you again.
T I am thinking destiny may be what we make of Fate with our own determination?
I started reading about cause-and-effect Which leads to Aristotle and buddhist philosophy. And now, I have a headache. I can sympathize with our female lead.
@mm Haha, a headache that is the effect, and the cause is thinking or overthinking KDramas! Or we are simply engaged in learning???
@Monmor and @Lootie Lyn
Heh! we’re channeling Hui Jin here!! Yes, our interest in this kdrama is the cause, and our fun, discussion with headaches is the effect LOL. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Let’s see if we can review what our leads say without adding to our headache.
Since BD brought up cause and effect soon after speaking about ‘no coincidences’ and fate, I vaguely take it to mean that BD thinks that because the talisman brought him where HJ was, they were fated to meet. Since then, they have made decisions that cause an effect… and hence they are no longer just fated but now are causing an effect. If he is able to call her and get her to travel all the way from Seoul to Jeju… he’s made changes in the course of her life… so I guess he is curious about what will happen to the course of his life.
BD : “This fate, what incidents it will cause… and the effects of it, aren’t you curious?”
Then he errr… explains (he says) by cleaning the foam off her lips saying: “Your disregard for the foam is the cause. Me wiping it is the effect.”
HJ : “You always being like this (taking liberties) is the cause. And me calling you a player is the effect. This is clearly karma” (LOL She’s treating the word ‘karma’ here to mean that he deserves to be called out as a player. He brought the name upon himself.)
He laughs at her logic.
HJ : “You laugh when you have nothing to say. So, … you have nothing to say – cause. You laugh – effect.”
He laughs some more and she preens a bit, thinking that she outsmarted him LOLOL. But she totally missed the point that his coming into her present instead of being in his own time, would cause ripples in history. Some of those ripples will be showing up in a later episode.
I guess she has not watched enough time travel dramas!