Yeah! Thanks @pkml3. The penultimate episode. The last but one. In my part of the world, it’s called the second last episode LOL.

It is exciting because we want a happy ending but can’t see how Writer-nim is going to be able to pull it off…. stress…. tension….Heh!

I’ll be back in 10 hours time (with time to spare before the party)!!!

I am posting some thoughts. I had in an earlier episode. Because I think they are becoming more and more Salient.

BD Is such an admirable character. He stays true to himself Over two time lines. He is such a steadying force for the flighty HJ. As we had previously wondered, does HJ Have a growth arc, or is she there more as a helper along the way for the male leads hero arc?

Hi @MM, I’m cruising in after a watch of the first episode of Love Me Love My Voice. Not bad!!! I’ll definitely keep watching that show.

As for HJ in Queen and I, she does not seem to grow much. Still childish, flighty… maybe she becomes more thoughtful and mature after some ‘suffering’. We’ll see how it goes in the last episode. 🙂

Coffee is reheating (uggh, woke up late). But caffeine!

Hi SD !

Hi @SD… We start NOW!!!!

Hi FF.
I find that and post it on last episode thread maybe?

@WE, I don’t remember seeing any link too.

@WE pls post

@WE, 2 whole episodes of lovey dovey scenes would be BORING!!! It was better SJJ’s way.

LOL he’s asking her questions that she cannot answer… except on neckties. Hah!

@MM… HJ should do what I do… tell him that I’ll go find out and show him how to do research for himself LOL.

BD asking serious questions at 1.30am…. yawn. He should just search for info on the web.

@GB, when I read some people comments on MDL, I wonder if they don’t want that: 2 episodes of lovey-dovey. But the truth is: they would be bored and not happy anymore. People are full of contradiction. 🙂

LOL …Lustful world where everything exists just for kissing. Everything looks lustful because HJ is the one who’s lustful, that’s why. He knows she’s just coming up with random excuses to kiss him and wants to know what else she’ll come up with. Heheheh!

She was just looking for a reason to go see him and ‘date’.

Hi all,
@WE I missed the deleted scene so hope you repost.
In regard to HJ’s arc…there are some signs of maturation already. For example, she is not talked out of her belief that BD is real. She holds fast to what she knows is true in her heart. Episode 15 will be a serious challenge to her flighty nature, for sure.
There are several elements of 15 about which I’m puzzled…

@WE, this episode is the 2nd Dating Episode and the dating part only takes about 10-15 minutes in all… just enough time. Longer and I’d be wondering where the action is.

Compared to being 300 years apart, being able to see each other in 5 minutes was amazing to HJ. She says this just a few hours before we get their separation in time.

The fettucini meal was quite entertaining. He’s like HJ in that he will NOT admit that he made a mistake. So much pride, both of them!

Those fools give me an urge to eat spaghetti.

@MM, she likes to be a bit of a lustful wench LOL.

She thinks about her second date but her first date cannot even be completed and he’s disappeared on her.

He just disappeared while queueing for candy and return to Joseon time? Does the talisman have a mind of its own now?

Harsh plot twist, something goes wrong for no reason he understands, then…
… even worst… talisman blackened.
Because of course, when things goes badly…
HEY! Just makes them even more bad!! 😀

@FF There are rules to the talisman that even the monk did not know. It cannot be controlled by intentions of anyone.

Returning to its own time, the talisman shows what is required of BD. He is no longer 5 minutes away but 300 years distant from HJ.

When he finds poor Yun Wol, he puts 2-and-2 together and figures out why the talisman became dark. He later says her death caused it because it was her sincerity that went into the power of the talisman… her death took away something of that power.

@MM, I was thinking the same thing about the relationship between BD and HL. Her playfulness lightens his spirit; given how serious he is all the time he neeeeds playfulness. And she needs her playfulness leavened by seriousness; although the tragedy of losing him, what is it 3 times? and like a death each time, no real hope of him coming back, is a lot.

I was so shocked the first time through with his disappearance. I thought I understood how the time travel worked in this series and then poof!

The main villain is dead, but the right hand man alive, so he’s the new main villain now.

He literally and figuratively has Yun Wol’s blood on his hands. She had warned him that no good would come of using the talisman for selfish reasons, but even she did not know what would happen with the talisman if she died.

This villain is so good with a sword. BD is having hard time. Can’t defeat him without loosing a lot.

@MM it’s so apt that she’s waiting in the phone booth… she’s waiting for him to come and for a call.

@GB Yes after a few rewatches.

@SD, this show’s time travel rules changed when BD made an emotional connection with HJ. It was not longer just the talisman that controlled BD’s time travel.

It makes sense now… emotions have a hand in the talisman and in how it opened up a portal in time. First was Yun Wol’s emotions. Then HJ’s. So when YW died, the time travel faltered on the talisman side.

Now the big classic of SJJ drama:
FL crying and suffering while her man is lost in time, another dimension, or anywhere (she could do a sci-fi drama, the guy would be lost in space or in a black hole).

BD disappears from present while waiting to buy cotton candy. Talisman was shown to have been in HJ’s drawer at home, yet he time travels. BD returns to discover death of YW and his killing of “the bad guys”while HJ waits in phone booth. So he was needed back there to avenge her death, and talisman turns up and turns black!!! At this point our understanding re rules for BD’s time travel are thrown out the window.

@LL, wait until you see that the talisman can turn an even darker full black.

@WE, the talisman only worked this one last time. Since YW died, it turned dark… next turning black could mean only 1 thing… the other person who created the talisman also died.

@GB Your comments are very helpful to understanding the time travel in this show.YW’s Role Highlights The importance of sincerity.
To the time travel.

I don’t get it. The talisman was black because of the ginsaeng death.
Then it turns even more black? Totaly dark?
I missed it on screen.

The fight scene between BD and the new evil character, the ‘right hand man’ is very well staged. We get a sense that the RHM is a much better swordsman, but BD deliberately takes a strike (twice!) to get close enough for a killing blow. I think this was staged by someone who knew something about sword fighting. RHM is so confused by this strategy; he would not be one to risk his life in such a fight, and so he succumbs.

@WE, the talisman turned full black… Now long scenes of BD going in search of the monk who wrote the talisman and a month passes by.

HJ is still in mourning.

The monk died, so ofc, he can’t create a new talisman. It’s crazy those monks able to create time travel machines like that, everyday at breakfeast… 🙂

@WE, The monk who created the talisman died, that’s why the talisman shut down totally. All the spirit of the good intentions had died at their source.

The voiceover of BD’s letter is actually pretty significant. He realises that he has to pay the price for all that he received from using the talisman. It was only right and just, even in the supernatural.
“In order to preserve my life, I had to give up an equivalent price. This only made sense. That I thought I could keep even one of those things (friends, values, honour, HJ) was my own foolishness.”

Back to our earlier conversation about the growth of HJ. I think that this is one of those points, her suffering here, where her character grows. You cannot suffer this much grief and not change. In some respects, although her flightiness is part of her character, so is this, her persistence in the face of adversity. A truly flighty person would not wait hours and hours the first day and then days and days for the return of someone who might not return. Although her character grows in the drama, we mostly see the grieving and not the growth. It is like it is a hidden aspect of her character, one that only comes out in suffering. But in some ways the persistence was there at the very start of the drama, when she tries so hard to get the part (even though her shoe breaks).

@SD, thanks for pointing out how HJ had some spine in her all along. Yes, grief will change something is a person. Hopefully most persons grow from it and don’t turn bitter.

I like that BD decides to burn the talisman. then it is clear, that he has let go and is prepared to pay whatever price for having enjoyed ‘extra lives’. When the story moves forward, it can no longer be the talisman that unites our OTP.

How her friend persists In viewing their relationship as unhealthy and a romantic disappointment.

@WE, I felt that rather than the energy moving to another item, that this time it was BD and HJ who inadvertently made their own talisman in the telephone calls he made, because of their emotional attachment to each other.

I think the scene where HJ is coupling his new phone with hers One or two episodes ago Is an explicit Playing out of creating a new talisman Where there are many Other implied scenes Related to their emotional connection..

@MM, yes could be. Their finding each other often took place at the phone booth and through calls. It’s true that one of the rules for him to travel to HJ’s time had to be fulfilled. He had to want to give up his life entirely in his own time.

Goodbye @WE!

@MM, you know already so @SD, @LL, @FF, would you be interested in joining a first watch conversation of a Chinese drama? The Love Me, Love My Voice thread is already up and a few of us will be starting on it now that the episodes have aired. The more the merrier!

@GB as we see next week- His willingness to give up his life completely.

@GB I took a quite look at the description of ‘Love Me, Love my Voice’. I will take a look. Do you watch at a particular time?

@SD, I also didn’t pick up that the deaths of the 2 people who created the talisman were the reasons for it to also ‘die’. I only picked up on it when BD made the connection. He actually put it into words that the talisman turned dark because YW had died.

Yes, the timing of the monk’s death was also not too long after YW’s.

You’re right that he was constantly called back to his own time. He had a loyalty to the people there. It was only when he no longer had any ties with his life of 300 years in the past, that he was able to go to HJ with whom he’d made new ties.

Sure thing, @FF. Come when you can. You just need to mention which Episode you’re commenting on. Less stress than our parties. I’ll be around to read and respond to comments over the course of the show (and beyond!). 🙂

Does anyone know where to find the complete OST of this drama? Spotify and youtube do not seem to have one, at least one that’s easily located.