Alice: Eps 7 and 8 Questions and Answers

Here we go again.

1. Why did the Assassin Ju Hae Min leave the bloody graffiti? 

On the surface, it looked as if the graffiti served as a warning that the time travel Prof Taeyi would discover would lead to deaths. She had to be stopped and killed so she wouldn’t open the Pandora’s box of time travel.

The Assassin’s words to JG certainly implied that. He said, “That woman must die for the future.”

*BUT* there’s one thing that bugs me about the bloody graffiti. And I’m not sure if this is because of this newbie writer’s oversight or lack of logic. It bugs me that the Assassin couldn’t make up his mind whether to kill Prof TaeYi or to help her out with the time travel problem.

lol.

Didn’t you get that sense, too?

First, he meticulously wrote all those equations on the wall. But what was the point? If he was going to stuff her in the box and kill her, then what was the point of those scribbles on the wall? It wasn’t  as if somebody else could understand that problem. Only Prof Taeyi had the ability to understand it because she was into time travel.

Second, he wrote more equations for her on the blackboard before he was to stab her with the knife and kill her the second time around. Again, what’s the point there?

Was he showing off? Was he the type to boast about his genius before killing his prey? This sort of character detail is an absolute waste of time since he was going to be killed in the next episode, and comes off as contrived. The equations were meant to help Prof TaeYi “inadvertently” (roll my eyes here) discover the mathematics of time travel.

Later, MH asked him, “What is the reason for trying to kill even someone from the past?” He answered, “It’s all because of you. Because of you, “The Book of Prophesy” fell into the hands of someone from the past.” (Ep 6 at 53:00)

I thought this was a good question.

A. If they were in a *parallel* universe, then killing Prof Taeyi in THIS universe wouldn’t stop time travel in the year 2050 in THEIR universe.

B. But if they were in the same universe, then killing somebody in the past wouldn’t stop the invention of time travel in the future either. Remember? Eunsoo’s mom killed herself in the past (in 2010) but she continued to exist as an old lady in 2051. Killing herself in the past didn’t appear to have any deadly consequences in the 2050/2051.

Also, his statement doesn’t make sense.

From the beginning, the book was already in the hands of somebody from the past. It didn’t “fall” into Dr. Jang’s hand; he had it first.

It was MH, 2050 Taeyi, and the hired assassin Lee SeHoon who wanted to steal the book from the past and bring it to the future. MH and TY went to get it but Assassin Lee SeHoon arrived before them. MH and TY took the book from Assassin Lee SeHoon. Then, TY took the book from MH and she stayed back in 1992.

Thus, the book always remained in the past where it originally belonged.

It was only years later that the book resurfaced when TY showed it to Director Seok because he was named in the book.

It was written in the book, “When the world is overturned by arrogant desires, those who felt fear, appeared. Seok Oh Won and his researchers tried to close the doors of time to restore order.” (Ep 6 at 18:00)

TY also led Director Seok to the College Girl TaeYi, claiming that the young student would stop time travel.

For all intents and purposes, Director Seok had shown himself committed to stopping time travel. He would be anti-Alice.

So…

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what the heck is Assassin Ju HaeMin kvetching about that Book fell in the hands of somebody in the past? If he wanted time travel to stop, then it actually benefited their cause that the book was in Director Seok’s hands because Director Seok and his researchers would stop time travel.

Why was he mad with MH? He should thank MH instead for bungling and failing to bring back the Book of Prophesy to Alice.

2. What happened to Director Seok’s abduction?

We know that there were five members of the Research Team members. We’ve seen three of them and the other two people might not be important.

a. Moon Seo Jin: Dead in a Schroeder’s cat box
b. Yoon TaeYi: She was also going to be stuffed in another cat box if JG didn’t arrive “in time.”

c. Director Seok: Abducted.

Note the bookshelves in his office.

I don’t know if this kdrama was written and directed by amateurs by the bookshelves showed signs of being ransacked as if somebody was looking for THE book.

Look: the Assassin Ju Haemin wouldn’t have rummaged through the shelves. He was very meticulous about his murders, right? Remember, the lights flickered just before the Assassin opened the door to Director Seok’s inner sanctum. The flickering lights signaled his arrival on the premise. He didn’t have the time or intention to go through Director Seok’s shelves in search of the book.  He immediately went to Director Seok’s hiding spot.

I suggest that somebody else was looking for the book, and he arrived after the Assassin.

Now, regarding Director Seok’s captivity in the cellar —

How he ended up tied up to a chair with Capt Go is a mystery to me.

But it seemed like that Capt Go was indeed working with the hired Assassins.

It would explain why the report on JG’s mom was missing critical information. According DoYeon, there was a report that someone went to JG’s house in the afternoon of the day his mom died while he was at school. JG said that there was no such eyewitness report found in his mother’s casefile.

There was also a missing report that his mom visited Assassin Lee SeHoon about a month before she was murdered.

JG: Who was the person who came?
DY: I don’t know who it was, but it wasn’t your father. A man in their late 20s to early 30s. Oh right! There’s another thing I found out, too. About a month before she was murdered, your mom visited someone in a prison.

So, removing Assassin Ju Hae Min’s records from the files would be Officer Go’s latest attempt at interfering and obstructing with the investigation. To what ends, I don’t know.

Too bad. I had pegged him to be a trustworthy man.

3. What about the Physics Guy/Future Assassin Ju Hae Min?

I doubt that the Physics guy, and Future Assassin Ju Hae Min was part of the Research Team assembled by Director Seok in 2010. Prof TaeYi didn’t recognize him as part of the team when she searched the internet.

I also don’t know why the Assassin bothered to kidnap his doppelganger except to give more “breadcrumbs” for JG to discover later.

Sigh…the newbie writer’s skills are so lacking. (Ep 7 at 46:25)

4. What about Assassin’s death and Yoon Taeyi’s time travel?

The interesting thing about the Assassin’s death is that the Director Seok’s warning that four more people would die at the hands of the Assassin did NOT materialize. This suggests that the prophesies from the Book of Prophesy could be thwarted. The Assassin only killed one individual.

From Episode 6:

Seok: Had I known, I would have prevented it, of course. But I didn’t know either who was going to die. I’ve been trying to prevent such tragedies since ten years ago. With your mother’s help. Did you see the suspect’s face? That person will kill four more people. I know it’s difficult to believe. I do. Because I also had a hard time believing your mother, at first. At that time, your mother told me about future events. And as I saw these things happen like she said, I began to trust her. Like you now.
JG: So are you saying that you and my mom knew the future and that is why you know that four more people will die? How?
Seok: Because someone’s future is someone else’s past.

As for Prof Taeyi’s time travel to October 21, it was possible that she was saved from falling to her death by Assassin Ju HaeMin’s timecard. She fell into the wormhole before he did.

However, before we can rejoice that Prof Taeyi was saved from death, let’s remember that the side effect of radiation from this “illegal” time travel is chicken pox.

lol. I’m sure DoYeon would be happy if Prof Taeyi ended up covered with rashes.

5. Is Capt Go the “Teacher”?

I doubt it. As of Episode 8, I say he isn’t the Teacher.

Note to myself: The cellphone number: 010-7450-3645

When the Assassin Ju Haemin called the number, he bowed first and then said, “Sir. (pause) I understand. I’ll take care of it right away.”

He actually addressed the person as “Seongsaengnim” which should be translated as “Teacher.” The Viki subbed it as “Sir” which made us presume that the person is male. But I think we should be open to the possibility that the “Teacher” is female.

Noteworthy: The assassin bowed deferentially before speaking on the phone. He bowed in the same way that Capt Go bowed when he received the phone call in Episode 3 at 56:34.

This tells me that Capt Go is NOT the Teacher. Why would he bow so low if he was the Teacher? That doesn’t make sense. He wouldn’t bow to anyone if HE was the Teacher.

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Capt Go talked to somebody on the phone BEFORE he visited Eunsoo’s mom. I originally thought that somebody had ordered him to check up on Eunsoo’s mom personally. Eunsoo’s mom stabbed him when he got there. That tells me that Capt Go is NOT working for Alice. And he’s NOT working for the Broker either because Eunsoo’s mom didn’t recognize him.

The assassin Lee SeHoon also bowed that way, too.

Their bowing intrigues me because I don’t get why they would do that when nobody could see them do the bow. Or did they know that somebody was watching them?

JG recognized that number because Capt Go showed it to him years ago. In a flashback, he remembered his conversation in 2010.

Capt Go: I’ve looked through your mom’s call history, and I found a strange number. The number doesn’t exist.
JG: I don’t understand what you mean.
Capt Go: So your mom had a phone call with a number that doesn’t even exist. On top of that, in the morning before her incident, she received a text from that number.
Text: It’s something you’ve brought upon yourself.

Capt Go: I was wondering if it was a number you knew.
JG: No, I’ve never seen it.

This whole scene tells me three things:

One, the voice of the person reading the text, “It’s something you’ve brought upon yourself,” belonged to Manager Oh.

It’s possible that JG’s mom aka Park SunYoung called up Manager Oh on October 7, 2010 to ask for help since she knew that the killer was coming after her. But Manager Oh could have shot down her request, saying that she’d brought the trouble up herself.

Assassin Ju Haemin could also have been sent by Manager Oh to get rid of this Prof Taeyi.

Two, either Capt Go didn’t honestly know who this contact was or he knew and was double-checking that JG did not have any inkling of his mother’s time traveling days.

Three, Capt Go might not have known who the contact person was in the past. But he was definitely actively covering up the past now. When JG brought it up that the number was the same as the number as the text message, he brushed it off as coincidence.

He also didn’t like the idea of JG escorting Prof Taeyi home.

If he’s anti-Alice and anti-time travel, too, then it’s understandable why he didn’t want JG hanging out with Prof Taeyi.

6. Really, SBS?

The romantic tropes between JG and Prof Taeyi are simply gross and I hope SBS gets pilloried for this.

They blur out the knives. They include disclosure that no real animal was hurt in the filming. But they promote incestuous relationships????

I don’t care if Prof Taeyi is NOT JG’s real mother. If this newbie writer could write a stupid karaoke scene as fanservice for Joo Won’s fanclub, then he/she/it could bloody well write a scene where JG showed Prof Taeyi a photograph of his beloved mother to squash her silly girlish fantasies for JG.

The picture was right behind Prof Taeyi in Episode 4 (at 13:04).

Why drag this out, Show? It’s revolting.

3 Comments On “Alice: Eps 7 and 8 Questions and Answers”

  1. Growing Beautifully (GB)

    I applaud you @pkml3 for taking the time and trouble to delve into the ‘questions’ of this show. Questions, that I feel are created unnecessarily by the inexperienced writing. Some of them should not exist.

    The end result of seeing that nothing the 2050 people are doing to stop time travel in the 2020 parallel universe is going to affect the the 2050 people, or even change the 2020 universe’s future, makes this whole show feel like a worthless exercise. Perhaps I’ll just FFD the rest to know how it ends.

  2. Watched ep. 9 last night. I hereby officially drop this drama 🤭

  3. I’m late to this party as I’ve only started watching a couple of days ago.
    But I’ve finished all the available episodes and.. about the incestuous relationship:
    Even if TY is a parallel universe version of his mother and not his actual mother they still share DNA but I am not necessarily bothered by the romantic scenes between the leads because.. I think it’s meant to be disturbing. I expect it to be part of the plot and the main reason TY will end up wanting to stop time travel.
    That would make sense to me. It makes sense for her as a woman to be attracted to this man who gets emotional around her. And it would make sense for her to be appalled by what she ended up feeling once she finds out the truth. Even if she is not his actual mother but a parallel universe version of her, the fact that time travel allows for these kind of messed up situations could be enough reason to stop it.
    LG doesn’t make much sense to me though in the way he is so sure 2020 Taeyi is not his mother. He does not know about the fact that they are in a parallel universe and not the same universe so the fact that he concluded TY is not his mother because their personalities are not the same seems just silly to me. Without the knowledge of parallel universes, his mother could have perfectly well have been TY in the past (her past, LG’s future) who, even if rude in 2020, can grow to be meek because she has to lay low and deal with raising a son with a lot of care needed to prevent him from turning into a real psycho.
    Anyhow, if the show doesn’t go serious into turning TY to really be romantically invested in LG, and that be a cause of conflict then all the couple scenes of them are just gratuitous BS.
Because kdramas apparently can’t make dramas without the main leads be romantically involved.

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