16 Comments On “Dali and the Cocky Prince: Eps 15 & 16 Open Thread”
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Thanks dear busy @pkml3 Have a good night’s rest!!!
MraRJH1
I’m going to be so sad when this drama ends. I love the leads, and totally in love with the ML. I’ve been rewatching this show already while waiting for the last 2 episodes.
Thursday’s a federal holiday here in the US. Veterans Day. I only have one zoom meeting in the afternoon, and I can do that anywhere. Will try to binge watch on a drama in the morning then.
L
Fingers crossed for an intelligently fluffy happy ending!
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
I barely had a chance to watch Dali Ep 15, but I did manage it with some appropriate FFDing.
It has maintained everything that we liked about it, which means it has consistently interwoven scenes which have been good, and funny, and full of warmth and full of plot, as well as the usual filler. There was that one looooong scene of MH and WT heroically eating plate after plate of Dali’s overly ‘healthy’ frittatas LOL, that could have been greatly edited.
We get to know the part that everybody who was there played when Dali’s dad died, and Show still manages to give us refreshing scenes like the sharing of info, instead of letting everyone go in blind.
I look forward to the downfall of SEGI and I wish Ki Chul could get a good kick for being such an annoying kid, but that may not happen in this Show. I always think it’s unfair that the good guys get so roughed up but the foolish and evil ones get away with hardly a hair out of place, except that they muss up their own hair by throwing tantrums.
I expect Gong Ju to return and to be humbler and happier and I’d like the Gallery staff, WT, Dali and MH to celebrate together with some great Dondon food and another successful exhibition.
Onward to the finale which should be subbed in an hour’s time. 🙂
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Episode 16 Finale – This has to be one of the nicest wrap ups ever.
Still without leaving out the angst, the tropes with their reversals, the communality and comings together, and the best troll ever. BTW, do stay on to watch the epilogue. 🙂
After you watched til the end, you may like to listen to this review of the Cyclops by Odilon Redon. And ask ourselves, what was the tension between us and what we just watched LOL.
BethB
I haven’t been a fan of fake-out endings since DDSSLLS so I wasn’t ecstatic with what happened in episode 16 (at least Moo Hak didn’t have LEUKEMIA), but I also didn’t really hate it that much since it rely on the usual noble idiocy/breakup trope.
Overall what I really liked about this show was its attention to art and its art direction: the lighting that focused on the beauty of the actors, the way the actors were framed by windows and walls as if in paintings, the impressionist fade-outs…and the art exhibits themselves. I would really like to see the final exhibit that the gallery put on–even though we aren’t given that much information on what it was about it looked fabulous. (I assume that the lighting that Da Li and Moo Hak walked through at the artist’s warehouse was also part of that exhibit.)
I was also really impressed with the calm purpose that Park Gyu-young was able to convey in her role.
John L
Hated that Tae-Jin just strolls on without any punishment.
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
@John L, Tae Jin didn’t suffer as much as I’d like him to have. He was ‘in trouble’ with the law for a year, but wasn’t indicted, and then resigned his position. At the most his name got dragged in the mud and he became notorious. He gave a large contribution a year earlier to the gallery, I think. He couldn’t get everything that he felt entitled to, so that’s about as bad as it got with him. However for someone like him, that might have hurt more than for others.
hotatoes
@John L Part of me hated that Tae-Jin left without the intense punishment I wanted him to receive, but part of me appreciates that the show went down a more realistic route because chaebols never truly have to pay for their sins
@GrowingBeautifully Thank you for recommending that video! I will have to go and watch that because I feel like I’ve missed out on something significant with that painting.
This show had a fairly straightforward premise (some would argue they dragged it out) and they executed it very well. I much prefer this to complex dramas that are filled with more plot holes than emmental cheese. I feel like the character development and world building were spot on – the leads embodied their characters especially well. The titles of every episode were thought-provoking and like @BethB said, the visuals were *chef’s kiss*.
The final trolling in Episode 16 was great. I can’t remember the last time I saw a simple, melodramatic couple’s spat in a drama finale.
I really hope more dramas will follow Dali’s lead and subvert tropes in interesting ways. I might actually rewatch this one day once I’ve forgotten most of the plot.
It’s also been fun to read all the comments on here! I’m not watching any of the upcoming dramas except Melancholia, so back to lurking it is
MrsRJH1
Just finished it, and lol lol lol at the fakeout at the end. Soooo cute and so refreshing, right till the fun epilogue at the end. Nice detail with the lyrics of the song also wrapping it up.
Moo Hak is the ML equivalent of an anti-depressant. Feel so happy and warm watching him. Such a sweetheart. And FL is so soothing and kind, and I could listen to her voice all day.
It’s Defo getting on my multiple rewatch list.
MrsRJH1
I meant to ask, what did they mean when they were referring to balls of fire dropping whole ML was in hospital?
And what is the significance of 7000 eons?
Thanks!
Fern
I just finished last night and I echo the satisfaction mentioned in the posts above. This was great casting as to ML and FL to fit the very distinct but complementary personality types. I loved the hospital scene when he was trying to get her to laugh while he has a great gash in his side. Switching vertebrae, right? And we did get to see that he does have some fighting chops earlier, so no exaggeration, but two with a weapon against one realistically the one would not win.
I also felt that Tae Jin didn’t get indicted; neither did he seem remorseful at any point. Probably, given his psyche, he felt innocent BECAUSE he didn’t get indicted.
HK_Lady
Annyeong,
Wow! love that ending BOD peepz. A proposal 💍 ahhh the Love Story of DaLi and Gamja 💕 I thought they really broke up, but it was only a week apart LOL. And i’m glad DaLi stood up against MooHak’s dad. can’t believe he was separating them. Deal with your shame, dad. Don’t get in the way of our lovebirds. gosh.
Chak Hee is adopted and Gong Joo, the prodigal is back with the CheongSong museum family. We’re getting the feels that Chak Hee and Won Tak will be hooking up maybe?
Thanks @GB for that video, i have to watch it. Love that the painting played a key role to how DaLi got introduced to Dir Kim Nak Cheon and how they ended the show with our couple in front of it. We are all deserving of Love. To love and be loved.
Enjoyed this show. @GB even though that Frittata scene was too long, i did laugh so hard though. omg. that was funny.
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Hi @HK_Lady I’m glad to read that you had a great time with the show and our comments. Cheers to a fun show! 🥂 🍻 And more cheers to hopes for more of the same!!! 🥂 🍻
Welmaris
I regret that in the mass of Kdramas that are now being watched and discussed, this gem is overlooked. I watched and enjoyed this show, and appreciated how it left me with many good feelings, but put my attention on other shows because they made me feel more conflicted and I wanted to wrestle with them.
Dali and the Cocky Prince was careful to wrap up almost all the story lines to our satisfaction. The art museum is saved, and the threats to it have been diffused. There wasn’t full satisfaction about the fate of the baddies: we don’t know the outcome for Dali’s lying, thieving, drug-addicted cousin, although there’s a hint he’s been dragged onto the path of redemption. Tae Jin loses Dali, gives up control of Segi, and suffers damage to his reputation, but retains his wealth and doesn’t spend time in jail. I get no hint from the ending that Tae Jin feels any remorse or has done a moral about-face. This is a man who ordered the death of Ki Cheol, which didn’t happen, and was responsible for the near-death of Moo Hak. He was also responsible for the death of Director Kim Nak Cheon by actively withholding aid. He was a murderer, if not by the letter of the law, then certainly by the spirit of the law. I believe he only escaped conviction because of technicalities.
There was so much I loved about this show: humor, lessons about art, exposure to a variety of artwork, fashion that was esthetically pleasing and statements of the characters’ personalities, emotionally relatable characters–even secondary–that made me care about them.
I admit I fell for the feint at the end of the this drama. Touché, Show! Your skill in twisting the “one year later” trope makes me love you even more.
Thanks dear busy @pkml3 Have a good night’s rest!!!
I’m going to be so sad when this drama ends. I love the leads, and totally in love with the ML. I’ve been rewatching this show already while waiting for the last 2 episodes.
My pleasure, @GB.
Thursday’s a federal holiday here in the US. Veterans Day. I only have one zoom meeting in the afternoon, and I can do that anywhere. Will try to binge watch on a drama in the morning then.
Fingers crossed for an intelligently fluffy happy ending!
I barely had a chance to watch Dali Ep 15, but I did manage it with some appropriate FFDing.
It has maintained everything that we liked about it, which means it has consistently interwoven scenes which have been good, and funny, and full of warmth and full of plot, as well as the usual filler. There was that one looooong scene of MH and WT heroically eating plate after plate of Dali’s overly ‘healthy’ frittatas LOL, that could have been greatly edited.
We get to know the part that everybody who was there played when Dali’s dad died, and Show still manages to give us refreshing scenes like the sharing of info, instead of letting everyone go in blind.
I look forward to the downfall of SEGI and I wish Ki Chul could get a good kick for being such an annoying kid, but that may not happen in this Show. I always think it’s unfair that the good guys get so roughed up but the foolish and evil ones get away with hardly a hair out of place, except that they muss up their own hair by throwing tantrums.
I expect Gong Ju to return and to be humbler and happier and I’d like the Gallery staff, WT, Dali and MH to celebrate together with some great Dondon food and another successful exhibition.
Onward to the finale which should be subbed in an hour’s time. 🙂
Episode 16 Finale – This has to be one of the nicest wrap ups ever.
Still without leaving out the angst, the tropes with their reversals, the communality and comings together, and the best troll ever. BTW, do stay on to watch the epilogue. 🙂
After you watched til the end, you may like to listen to this review of the Cyclops by Odilon Redon. And ask ourselves, what was the tension between us and what we just watched LOL.
I haven’t been a fan of fake-out endings since DDSSLLS so I wasn’t ecstatic with what happened in episode 16 (at least Moo Hak didn’t have LEUKEMIA), but I also didn’t really hate it that much since it rely on the usual noble idiocy/breakup trope.
Overall what I really liked about this show was its attention to art and its art direction: the lighting that focused on the beauty of the actors, the way the actors were framed by windows and walls as if in paintings, the impressionist fade-outs…and the art exhibits themselves. I would really like to see the final exhibit that the gallery put on–even though we aren’t given that much information on what it was about it looked fabulous. (I assume that the lighting that Da Li and Moo Hak walked through at the artist’s warehouse was also part of that exhibit.)
I was also really impressed with the calm purpose that Park Gyu-young was able to convey in her role.
Hated that Tae-Jin just strolls on without any punishment.
@John L, Tae Jin didn’t suffer as much as I’d like him to have. He was ‘in trouble’ with the law for a year, but wasn’t indicted, and then resigned his position. At the most his name got dragged in the mud and he became notorious. He gave a large contribution a year earlier to the gallery, I think. He couldn’t get everything that he felt entitled to, so that’s about as bad as it got with him. However for someone like him, that might have hurt more than for others.
@John L Part of me hated that Tae-Jin left without the intense punishment I wanted him to receive, but part of me appreciates that the show went down a more realistic route because chaebols never truly have to pay for their sins
@GrowingBeautifully Thank you for recommending that video! I will have to go and watch that because I feel like I’ve missed out on something significant with that painting.
This show had a fairly straightforward premise (some would argue they dragged it out) and they executed it very well. I much prefer this to complex dramas that are filled with more plot holes than emmental cheese. I feel like the character development and world building were spot on – the leads embodied their characters especially well. The titles of every episode were thought-provoking and like @BethB said, the visuals were *chef’s kiss*.
The final trolling in Episode 16 was great. I can’t remember the last time I saw a simple, melodramatic couple’s spat in a drama finale.
I really hope more dramas will follow Dali’s lead and subvert tropes in interesting ways. I might actually rewatch this one day once I’ve forgotten most of the plot.
It’s also been fun to read all the comments on here! I’m not watching any of the upcoming dramas except Melancholia, so back to lurking it is
Just finished it, and lol lol lol at the fakeout at the end. Soooo cute and so refreshing, right till the fun epilogue at the end. Nice detail with the lyrics of the song also wrapping it up.
Moo Hak is the ML equivalent of an anti-depressant. Feel so happy and warm watching him. Such a sweetheart. And FL is so soothing and kind, and I could listen to her voice all day.
It’s Defo getting on my multiple rewatch list.
I meant to ask, what did they mean when they were referring to balls of fire dropping whole ML was in hospital?
And what is the significance of 7000 eons?
Thanks!
I just finished last night and I echo the satisfaction mentioned in the posts above. This was great casting as to ML and FL to fit the very distinct but complementary personality types. I loved the hospital scene when he was trying to get her to laugh while he has a great gash in his side. Switching vertebrae, right? And we did get to see that he does have some fighting chops earlier, so no exaggeration, but two with a weapon against one realistically the one would not win.
I also felt that Tae Jin didn’t get indicted; neither did he seem remorseful at any point. Probably, given his psyche, he felt innocent BECAUSE he didn’t get indicted.
Annyeong,
Wow! love that ending BOD peepz. A proposal 💍 ahhh the Love Story of DaLi and Gamja 💕 I thought they really broke up, but it was only a week apart LOL. And i’m glad DaLi stood up against MooHak’s dad. can’t believe he was separating them. Deal with your shame, dad. Don’t get in the way of our lovebirds. gosh.
Chak Hee is adopted and Gong Joo, the prodigal is back with the CheongSong museum family. We’re getting the feels that Chak Hee and Won Tak will be hooking up maybe?
Thanks @GB for that video, i have to watch it. Love that the painting played a key role to how DaLi got introduced to Dir Kim Nak Cheon and how they ended the show with our couple in front of it. We are all deserving of Love. To love and be loved.
Enjoyed this show. @GB even though that Frittata scene was too long, i did laugh so hard though. omg. that was funny.
Hi @HK_Lady I’m glad to read that you had a great time with the show and our comments. Cheers to a fun show! 🥂 🍻 And more cheers to hopes for more of the same!!! 🥂 🍻
I regret that in the mass of Kdramas that are now being watched and discussed, this gem is overlooked. I watched and enjoyed this show, and appreciated how it left me with many good feelings, but put my attention on other shows because they made me feel more conflicted and I wanted to wrestle with them.
Dali and the Cocky Prince was careful to wrap up almost all the story lines to our satisfaction. The art museum is saved, and the threats to it have been diffused. There wasn’t full satisfaction about the fate of the baddies: we don’t know the outcome for Dali’s lying, thieving, drug-addicted cousin, although there’s a hint he’s been dragged onto the path of redemption. Tae Jin loses Dali, gives up control of Segi, and suffers damage to his reputation, but retains his wealth and doesn’t spend time in jail. I get no hint from the ending that Tae Jin feels any remorse or has done a moral about-face. This is a man who ordered the death of Ki Cheol, which didn’t happen, and was responsible for the near-death of Moo Hak. He was also responsible for the death of Director Kim Nak Cheon by actively withholding aid. He was a murderer, if not by the letter of the law, then certainly by the spirit of the law. I believe he only escaped conviction because of technicalities.
There was so much I loved about this show: humor, lessons about art, exposure to a variety of artwork, fashion that was esthetically pleasing and statements of the characters’ personalities, emotionally relatable characters–even secondary–that made me care about them.
I admit I fell for the feint at the end of the this drama. Touché, Show! Your skill in twisting the “one year later” trope makes me love you even more.