The Ghost Detective: Dead or Alive (Spoilers)

There seems to be a debate as to whether Lee Da Il (DI) is dead or comatose somewhere.

He’s dead.

1. His “mentor/boss” Sang Seop (SS) couldn’t find his body was because it’s already been unearthed and sent to the morgue. He was the unidentified corpse beside the deceased bodies of the teacher Lee ChanMi and the dog.

Somebody must have found the body and reported it. The body was unidentified because the dog tag (the ID given by the military to its personnel) was detached and left in the mud.

Also, the area around the dig site appeared to have been excavated (different color of soil) and returned to its near-original state (packed down evenly). The teacher wouldn’t have had time to level the ground evenly in her disturbed state of mind. Of course, it’s possible that the set director or the greensman had a lapse here and didn’t prep the scene well.

The only plot twist here that I could imagine is that he was administered some drug before he was buried that would fake death until the accomplices of the Woman in Red, dressed up in medical examiners’ white coats, could wheel away his body from the morgue. But what would be the point of this exercise? Why keep him in a coma? So two comatose people could duke it out? 

2. Jung Weol knew he was dead. She had a premonition he died when she dreamt that he landed splat on her tent and she woke up. She tried to call him up but he didn’t pick up. Then when he touched her shoulder that night, she flipped him. She noticed that a basketball rolled right through his leg so she realized then that he was a ghost, and not a corporeal being.

Not only that, he couldn’t pick up objects except for her hearing device. He couldn’t get his key from the mailbox. But Woman in Red could handle objects. She picked up the shard of glass and handed it to his mother (Episode 3, at 37:58). Her child version was picking off the wings of dragonflies and she held the lollipop.

*BTW, from what I understand of his ghostly existence, a moving object or body (like a person walking, the manager who was going to jump off, or the basketball rolling past his leg) would just go THROUGH his body.  However, a stationary object (like a wall, door, doorknob, chair, or bed) would remain solid and immovable. That’s why he could sit on chairs but he couldn’t go through walls.

3. He clearly saw his dead body buried in the soil. He told Jung Weol that seeing is believing and that the only way SS would believe the news of his death was to see an evidence of his death. That was why DI led them to the burial site although he knew that his body was already in the morgue. His dog tag had been left behind and was still buried in the ground. How did he know that they’d find the tag? He wasn’t wearing it.

Note: I did wonder where these two men brought the cadaver and what they did with it.

4. In Episode 4, he couldn’t eat unless food is offered to directly to him. It’s a good thing that SS observed the customary manner that food’s offered to the dead so he was able to finally eat. In contrast, the Woman in Red had no problems licking that lollipop in Episode 4.

An aside. This was a successful product placement. I suddenly had a craving for Subway after this scene. He ordered no onions, no pickles, no olives, and no cucumbers. And extra jalapenos and cheese, Lettuce and tomatoes. And just mustard for the sauce. Meanwhile, I hankered for roast beef on white bread, with Swiss cheese, lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, green peppers, pickles, spinach, extra olives, and 3 pieces of jalapenos on the side. Regular Mayonnaise. lol. Everything but the raw onions.

5. Like a poltergeist, Dae Il could physically harm people by throwing objects around and shattering glass. Didn’t he destroy the chandelier and toppled the bookcase at his house, almost injuring Jung Weol? If he was comatose like the Woman in Red, he wouldn’t be able to do this.

According to Dae Il, the Woman in Red couldn’t physically hurt people as in stab, stomp or punch. She could only cause injury by manipulating people’s mind. As Dae Il said to JungWool, “she manipulates people’s mind. The weakest and the darkest mind. A sense of guilt. Fear. Things like that.”

True, the Woman handed the DI’s mother the shard of glass but she couldn’t stab her the mother herself. She could push Yi Rang’s hand to her throat, but she couldn’t cut Yi Rang directly with the knife. The actual act of killing had to be executed by the victim.

6. According to the coroner/medical examiner Chae Won, DI died already. And Chae Won was an expert on ghosts.

Here’s their conversation… or rather monologue.

CW: So, what are you? Why are you here?
DI: You can see me? (No, she couldn’t. Nor could she hear him.)
CW: I can’t see ghosts like you anymore. (Here, what she meant is she couldn’t see him anymore because he was a ghost. She wasn’t making a distinction between him and the other ghost. She was in fact lumping him with the rest of ghosts. It’s like I was to comment, “Sorry! I can’t date ugly people like you anymore.” I don’t mean that there’s a subset of ugly people that comprised only of him. Lol.)

CW: I could see them and hear them when I was 10 but all that was over at age 15. (WHY?) Now all I can do is feel them.

And that’s why she FELT his face – that was all she could do now with ghosts and he was one of them. She could neither SEE nor hear him but she could certainly feel him. Thus, she touched his face and confirmed that he was died and now had come back as a ghost.

CW: (continuing) Three victims have now died at this preschool. Four including you.

Note: She said there were four deaths: Lee Chan Mi, the dog, the principal, and Lee Da Il.

CW: (laughing). Ah! So, you were the one who bit the dog.

She laughed because the mystery about the dog bite was solved and it was funny. We’ve heard of dogs biting humans but never the reverse: a human biting a dog. For me, she had an odd sense of humor. She only perked up when she discovered that there was mystery afoot involving ghost.

7. Dae Il felt different from the comatose Woman in Red.

Remember when Chae Won touched the dead dog to see what happened to it before dying?

She saw two blurry images. One was DI trying to get away from the dog. And the other was the Woman in Red petting the dog. Chae Won was looking UP at the Woman from the dog’s perspective and she FELT the WOMAN’S hand. She snatched her hand away and said in a surprised voice, “Your hand. It’s cold…and burning.” She was referring to Woman.

Then she whispered, “What’s this? What were you so scared of?”

When Chae Won touched the spirit of DI, she didn’t jump back in shock. His face wasn’t cold and burning to the touch like that of Woman in Red.

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So those are my reasons for claiming that Lee Da Il is dead. He wasn’t anything like the Woman in Red who’s still alive but in a coma. Unless there are major inconsistencies in the plot, it’s hard for the screenwriters to backtrack.

8 Comments On “The Ghost Detective: Dead or Alive (Spoilers)”

  1. I agreed that he’s dead! and it was indeed his body that was in the morgue. But what I can’t shake off is that shouldn’t there be a black and yellow tape, the crime scene tape, surrounding the dug site? I mean, even after they took the body out, shouldn’t they still preserve the area? But as I am writing this, I just noticed that I did not know how long has it been since his death to the time the three went to find the body. Maybe the police have finished with their investigation so they had taken off the tape? And why couldn’t they identify the body? I thought they would have every member of uniform bodies (police, military, alike) fingerprints in the system?

  2. Sorry, had to add more as I stopped reading after Point #1 to write the first comment. But for #3, I don’t think he knows that his body is in the morgue. He said “Seeing is believing. Since he can’t see me, I’ll have to show him MY CORPSE.” So, I seriously thought he would have gone to the morgue to show his body, but he went to the burial site instead? And he looked so shocked to find out that his body was not there (though it could be the writer was trying to throw us off). And when SS was adamant about finding DI body, DI said “finding that woman’s identity is more important than finding my body.” Had he known his body was in the morgue, why didn’t he just tell them that? So another question came into my mind: If he didn’t know that his body was in the morgue, what did he see there to make him so shook?

    Another explanation could be like you said. He actually wanted them to find his dog tag (his cherished item, maybe). Then he made them go to Subway to further convince SS. He didn’t tell them that his body is at the morgue because if he did:
    1. They would have gone to the morgue and identify his body.
    2. They would have to claim the body and do proper burial/cremated.
    3. He was worried that his ghost might vanish if they did so.
    That is why instead of going to the morgue, he took them to the burial site. He couldn’t be bothered to explain all this to SS and YW because he was a man of few words which is lol.

    Anyway, I died at this:
    “The only plot twist here that I could imagine is that he was administered some drug before he was buried that would fake death until the accomplices of the Woman in Red, dressed up in medical examiners’ white coats, could wheel away his body from the morgue. But what would be the point of this exercise? Why keep him in a coma? So two comatose people could duke it out?”

  3. I think the writers may have decided not to show the discovery of his body, the crime scene and the investigation into his death because these would have distracted the audience from the focus of this story or they’re reserving it for later.

    Remember in Episode 4, SS wanted to look for his body. He said, “I need to find Da Il’s body first. We’ll find out who buried him and dug him out.” But Lee Dae-Il wanted to focus on identifying the Woman in Red/Dragonfly Child first.

    I haven’t watched last night Episode 5 so I don’t know what the role that caretaker/nurse aide of the Woman in Red play in the story. As I’ve mentioned somewhere, the mystery of the kidnapped children hasn’t been solved yet because the two children couldn’t have been abducted 30 minutes apart from each other by one person alone. Perhaps that caretaker had a part in it. HE is also susceptible to the Woman in Red aka suicidal thoughts. There’s also a high incidence of suicide among caregivers due to depression and stress.

    I’m not Korean so I don’t know what their military policy is on keeping medical and health records of former service members.

    It’s also possible that they have already identified the body as that of Lee Dae-Il but since there’s no next-of-kin to notify, his body is in cold storage somewhere.

  4. Same here, I thought he was going to go to the morgue, too. So when he went to the field, I had to quickly reassess the possibilities.

    But after re-watching that scene, I don’t think he was expecting to see his “corpse.” SS was digging too deep, and he knew his grave was shallow because his hand stuck out. If he was expecting to see his body still there, then he should have been shocked to see his hand gone. His hand was the marker of the shallow grave. Instead, he pointed at the tree stump and said something like, “It’s here. Next to that tree.”

    He knew that his body wasn’t there because his hand was gone.

    And I don’t think he was shock. SS was complaining how deep he had to further dig. To me, he was looking sadly at SS because he knew that SS was about to find the proof that he was looking for of his death. He was sad because he would have wanted to spare SS the world of hurt, if there was another way to go about this.

    That’s why when SS started to dig again, he turned away, raking his head and sighing. SS only had to shovel twice or three times before he spotted the dog tag buried in the ground.

    lol. I’m glad there’s another person here to go over the details with me. @staygold is supposed to be here but she went AWOL on me.
    Gotta finish watching Devilish Joy now for my review….

  5. Oh I see. I can’t really read faces so I thought he was shocked. I am usually not focused while watching dramas so I usually miss the details but this one makes me want to be a detective too, lol. Anyway, have you watched Episode 8? You’ll be in one hell of a shock if you haven’t.

  6. Why? Who died?
    Or is he alive now?
    Just tell me please because I won’t be able to watch it till tonight anyway.

  7. No, I don’t want to spoil it for you. It’s better if you watch it yourself.

  8. I’ll have to ask for staygold’s help then. 😂

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