@GB your thoughts ? I don’t think it’s the head ranger.
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Hi @Arihsi, I’m still finishing up with the Goblin Rewatch party. I’m not sure whom to suspect at the moment. I need to catch these latest episodes to look for more clues!
I too don’t think it’s the Head Ranger. The person wore a ranger uniform and Da Won knows him (I think it’s a him), but we are not entirely sure it really is a ranger, although I think it is. Who’s there among the rangers with smallish neat ankles under the slim pants?
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
In 2020 – Da Won had been running and fell, when Commander Jo Dae Jin came across her. Might he have been chasing her? He had a bag with a yoghurt drink bottle in it, which he hid behind his back. He might have been on the trail of the Yoghurt Killer and been removing bottles that he found?
While Yi Kang was waiting for Da Won, Ranger Gu Young came down and was surprised to see her. This means that there were at least 2 rangers on the mountain besides Da Won. YK tells him that she can’t reach Da Won. He pointed out that the signal is weak on restricted trails of the mountain.
Bloody Phone – We see later that DW had been pushed. Her mobile phone was strangely covered in a lot of blood (how did so much blood get on it, when it is not under her?). As it was moved by the killer, blood dripped from the phone while it was being carried over the pebbly road. The rocks had streaks of blood on them. (It is unlikely that there could be so much blood flowing from the phone, however the killer might have taken more blood along to draw attention to the phone.)
The editing and the camera work hides some clues even as it reveals some.
Problem with the editing/props? The phone position is changed in the scene. The phone should have been parallel to the raised part of the rock but it is repositioned to be perpendicular to that part of the rock. This and all the extra blood, might not mean anything, but problem with Props. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lykG4nEk8j7J09W6u3U-uX7b4U0cCtCb/view?usp=sharing
Is it DW’s right had that we see here in the left screenshot? It looked at first like her left hand. But we see in the right screenshot, that in her left hand which is a bit bloody, she held a pair of gloves belonging to Jo Dae Jin. Would a person falling still be holding on to gloves as they landed? Would it be more or less likely that the gloves were planted in her hand after her death?
If it’s the camera and editing that is confusing, then DW’s right hand was empty, while her left hand held a pair of Jo Dae Jin’s gloves.
Phone Location – Da Won’s body had landed below rocky ridge at Jeonmukgol, but her phone was above on pebbly road. What was the purpose of moving DW’s phone? The fact that it and nearby rocks, had blood on them, meant that someone had been hurt. It being so far from the body meant that it was more likely that she had been murdered than that it was an accident. So someone deliberately wanted her death to be discovered and considered a murder, and evidence had been planted to point the finger at Jo Dae Jin.
After DW’s phone was found, Police officer Kim Woong Soon comes in to Haedong to ask about Jo Dae Jin, because his voice had been recorded in Da Won’s phone. This however had been done by DW out of fear and suspicion, and not by the killer. However it confirms JDJ’s presence just before DW’s death.
Suspicious – After they found the phone, Gu Yeong recommended that they expand the search to the rocky ridge and the pebbly rocks.
Yi Kang said that DW wouldn’t go to the rocky ridge. “The path is a dangerous detour, so I told her not to go that way.”
Gu Yeong : “When you’re stranded, you panic and do irrational things. You know better.”
(It seems Gu Yeong is suggesting that YK had gotten herself into that sort of trouble before. Perhaps when she got injured and lost the use of her legs.)
Is it suspicious that Gu Yeong was both on the mountain at the same time as DW and that he suggested expanding the search to pebbly road, which is where the phone had been placed? He also deflected alarm at YK’s not being able to reach DW’s phone by saying that the signal was poor on restricted trails.
Good Twin
I think the biggest clue in Ep 9 is that the killer knew how the signal worked. There is only one person other than the two leads who understood how it worked and that is camera/researcher guy Kim Sol
My eye is still on Kim Sol… although the writer is trying hard to shove Chief Jo as the killer. For instance, on night of the fire, Chief Jo was at the station with HJ. It would be easy for him to follow him to the big shed, lock the door, and start a fire. But would he have time to join the fire brigade? According to HJ, the fire fighters didn’t find a padlock on the door so that meant the arsonist waited to remove the lock afterwards.
I don’t think Jung Gook was the arsonist. He was with Glasses Dude the whole time.
This is where poor directing and/or editing will make or break the story for me. I hope these aren’t plot holes.
Good Twin
Since the HJ’s spirit/ghost was able to talk to the herbalist – why not just tell him who the killer is? Does HJ still not know or is this just a plot hole? Also I think there will be a connection between Killer (now looking like Kim Sol) and the Dae Jin. DJ seems to have his suspicions and Killer seems intent on framing DJ.
Now there is new timeline in 1991 🤣 that making prove jo dae jin is not the killer. Bcs we saw the young version of him.
Another suspect coming out, i dont know his name, he is one of ranger that stay on cave and met hyun joo in ep 10, I think he was the child from year 1991, his dad died back then by hanging himself.
That child alr meeting (i think) the real killer 1991.
It can be the one who want to make cable car in mt jirisan. Yang geun tak the president of mt jirisan development.
I think the killer brainwashing some kids, make them as his minion’s
Back to back drama, really not my things, and common viewers not liking this typical drama.
🤣
But so far i enjoying jirisan, except the editing between timeline.
Cleopatra
Anneyong!
Just finished Episode 10. The killer is indeed Kim Sol the boy we saw in 1991.
In Episode 9, they deliberately showed us false information that the killer took and read Lee Da Won’s notebook, that’s why he made the signal.
BUT that was false alarm.
As many of you said above, he was the only one who knew about the signals except our two main leads. He even told them about them in the first two episodes and how the partisans used them.
The Chief might have realized that Sol is the one who kills people but he doesn’t have proof. The thing is that in 1991 another killer killed his mom. Was that guy who cursed his father? How come is he still alive then?
After watching Episode 10, we get to realize that the killer thinks that all the hikers are intruders in his sacred place aka the mountain Jirisan.
But @Cleopatra, who is this ranger that @lovebangwon mentioned here:
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“Another suspect coming out, i dont know his name, he is one of ranger that stay on cave and met hyun joo in ep 10, I think he was the child from year 1991, his dad died back then by hanging himself.
That child alr meeting (i think) the real killer 1991.
It can be the one who want to make cable car in mt jirisan. Yang geun tak the president of mt jirisan development.
I think the killer brainwashing some kids, make them as his minion’s…”
Janey
I mentioned it before that HJ spirit should know who is doing the killings since he is in the mountains. But instead, he gives a clue… 🧐 it’s not him who made the signal. Who else knows those signals but GY and Kim Sol (photographer and cultural person), who we are guessing was the kid in 1991 whose family died in the village. I hope GY figures this out. Agree with @Cleo, he is the primary suspect.
@PM3, @Lovebangwon – Kim Sol was the guy with HJ.
I assume the cable car construction did not push through even after the village was abandoned? There was another killer then who murdered the kid’s mom (wife of the village leader). What do you think about the ghost lights? Real or not?
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Hi @Janey @Cleo
I only just watched Episode 10. I couldn’t figure out at first what the others were talking about, but now I understand better. Yes you have a point … in 1991 there was another criminal who attacked Kim Sol’s mum. It was creepy … she was attacked in some way but was not dead. It was like the fog and the spirits that descended on that place made it impossible for the rangers to see her until it was too late. Both the fog and the attacker conspired to prevent her from being found in time. Younger Jo Dae Jin in 1991 kept ending up at that ribbon covered tree, but never saw her until the fog lifted.
@pkml3, @LoveBangwon means Kim Sol was the child who as an adult in 2019, was in the cave, just reminiscing. HJ entered and found him there. HJ claimed to be looking for something (I wonder what???)
Kim Sol said: “This was my hideout when I was little. We called it the Black Bridge Valley Shelter. … This was my hometown.”
Kim Sol says that the YouTuber was wrong : “The village didn’t disappear because of cable cars or demolition. Villagers left because of the ghost lights. Whenever something bad happened to the village, the ghost lights always came first.”
HJ : “I heard wild beasts’ eyes glow like that, reflected in the light when it’s dark.”
KS disagrees : “Back then, there were no bears on the mountain.”
He wishes HJ good luck in finding what he’s searching for and exits the cave. He puts on familiar looking black gloves and his expression has become hard.
The YouTuber may have had false info. Only 2 persons died, Kim Sol’s mum and then his dad, who hanged himself. His report said that there were 3 deaths in such a small village.
However, bearing in mind that Kim Sol could be lying too, and also be suffering from PTSD since he saw his father’s body
We seem to be contending with different ‘forces’ by 2020.
1) There’s the criminal (seems to be Kim Sol) who believes in ghost lights.
2) There’s the mountain spirit who might be the source of the ghost lights. It’s said that the mountain spirit will be infuriated by the destruction to the ecology that the cable car installation will cause.
3) There’s the spirit of Hyun Jo who’s trying to reach Yi Kang.
4) There’s a criminal/killer from 1991 who should be 30 years older now. We think it could be Yang Geun Tak (once president of Jirisan Development Committee and) currently head of the Jirisan Cable Car Promotion Committee. He wanted to bring in the cable car and may have contaminated the well water.
Cleopatra
Kalimera @Packmule3 et al,
As I have seen @Janey and @GB Unnie answered to you before me.
Sol is the little boy from the Black Bridge village that became isolated.
Hyun-Jo was with him in that cave. We saw that when Sol came out he wore those trademark black gloves. MDL refers to him as a Park Volunteer. So, he is helping the Rangers.
As for the killer of Sol’s mother back in 1991, we assume that it was the President of that Committee @GB Unnie refers to above.
The Chief is not the killer, rather a person who tries to save more people in his days off. The thing is, did he find out that Sol is the killer? I think he might knows.
Arihsi
@GB wow. From this summary, Jirisan sounds like a mildly creepy ghost drama, not a thriller. There is too much talk of ghosts, too little scientific enquiry. Also, viewers are unclear on the condition of HJ’s body. Coma? brain dead? ventilator? Will he wake up once his “soul” comes back ? I am very uncomfortable with this element of the drama. Nature is supposed to be soothing, not scary. They are equating a beautiful mountain to a haunted house full of ghosts and deaths. Not cool.
Arihsi
If we go by the sheer number of deaths, Mt. Everest and the Himalayas will far surpass Mount Jiri. I’m yet to see a major drama/movie comparing Everest to a haunted house.
Miracle23
Yas! So motive is revenge, target is villagers who left. The boy is that guy in suspect list! He was the one who took the talisman in the water when HJ was talking to the shaman girl. Ok back reading!!😁😁😁
Miracle23
Ok done reading! Yup, I think chief Jo knows a lot than he let on. When he had that convo with the ex chief, he seems really tired. 🤧 So he has been cleaning the forest of the traces of KS’s activities… or it might be true as I earlier thought, he is investigating on his own. Suspecting but not letting ppl knew. KS’s mom might be attacked by the cable car project guy cos he wanna scare the villagers out of there. By the way, pd nim that glowing flying thingy is definitely not moon bears’ eyes🤦🏻♀️ who are you kidding man…
So, Chief Jo was just being a do-gooder and cleaning up after KS? 🙂 He was tampering with evidence if he intentionally removed it because he knew that KS was involved in the murder.
I’ve time to watch this now bec I took off the whole Thanksgiving week. 😂
Cleopatra
@Packmule3,
The Chief was trying to clean the poisoned yogurt bottles and the yellow ribbons he found in his way. He didn’t tamper anything to the crime scene.
Have a lovely Thanksgiving week! 😀
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Hi @Arishi
From this summary, Jirisan sounds like a mildly creepy ghost drama, not a thriller.
Heh! That’s another way to think of it. Instead of a haunted house we have a haunted mountain. The presence of spirits (ghosts), totems and ritual on the mountain seems ‘normal’ in a place like SKorea where shamanism still goes on.
The belief in spirits of people and spirits in things (Animism) being out and about, is pretty common everywhere in the East/SE Asia. The more people believe and attribute to articles/plants/places, spirits or supernatural ‘life’, the more likely spirits cling to those things. Since thousands of years of ritual worship has gone on in Jirisan, especially in certain ‘high energy’ areas, it is not surprising that the mountain is believed to have its own spirit or spirits, or that the supernatural abounds in certain places and at certain times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_mountains This entry speaks generally of many mountains being sacred places. The entry on Korea starts with:
“In Korea, people have maintained ancient ways of worshiping mountain spirits. While they are not in fact worshiping the land itself, the gods associated with this worship are united to the land. …”
You got me thinking about what a thriller is to me…I consider a thriller to be a suspenseful situation where an undesirable situation is imminent and therefore the good guys are in desperate need to prevent it, but face obstacles, so it’s touch and go that they can diffuse the situation. As long as I get anxious over getting the good outcome, it’s a thriller.
It can be considered a thriller … in 2019 in that people are getting killed and it’s urgent to figure out who and why before another murder gets committed, but there are obstacles in the way, like the disbelief of Gu Yeong, lack of evidence that the deaths are murder and the ‘real’ mountain spirit itself who complicates things. Plus the fact that the killer is out for HJ’s blood.
In 2020 it’s a thriller in that HJ and YK are almost out of action, while the killer still roams free, and murders are still taking place. While HJ and YK are desperate to re-connect and to solve the murder, we get the obstacles of YK needing Da Won, Da Won being killed, HJ not being able to communicate directly with YK and possibly not knowing that she’s in a wheelchair. I’m thinking YK might easily end up the next target of the killer since he has found that Da Won’s notebook has the communication markers that he spoke to YK and HJ about.
It’s interesting that the Killer decided to set up the marker himself for the murder of Da Won. What might his purpose be? He knows about the ‘ghost’ of HJ and wants to impersonate him? But how would he know and why should he bother? Or he wants YK to be able to tell the Rangers where to find Da Won so that the evidence he planted can be found?
on the condition of HJ’s body.
About HJ, the preview seems to suggest that he opens his eyes. I’d guess a coma and being in a deep dream state, where he reacts to the ‘realities’ in his mind as he ‘sees’ them. In this case, his mind seems to have been left in Jirisan. We hear from the nurse that he became weaker after each strange episode where he was unconscious and yet reacting to something.
Unfortunately, I do not think Show will ever explain exactly how or why HJ ends up with his spirit in Jirisan. If we are given more clues than what we have now, I’ll consider it a bonus!
Ah. That’s good to know, @Cleopatra. As long as Chief Jo isn’t covering up KS’s crime, then he’s only “guilty” (I use this in layman’s terms) of negligence. He withheld and/or delayed release of information that the public should have known. If he knew all along that the yogurt and the yellow tapes were used by the killer(s), then he should have raised public awareness to stay vigilant, and to report sighting of these things.
Just to let you know, I edited your post for format. I only added an “end blockquote.” 🙂
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
Much thanks @pkml3! I didn’t realise I missed the ending code.
Good to know that you’ll be taking the weekend off. Have you arrived home already or will be flying back by Thursday?
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
@Arishi
I just realised this part disappeared in my comment to you. This part was before the first paragraph in my reply above starting … “The belief in spirits…”
From this summary, Jirisan sounds like a mildly creepy ghost drama, not a thriller.
Heh! That’s another way to think of it. Instead of a haunted house we have a haunted mountain. The presence of spirits (ghosts), totems and ritual on the mountain seems ‘normal’ in a place like SKorea where shamanism still goes on.
Janey
@PM3 – happy thanksgiving week and it’s great you are off work for the whole week. I will be off starting Wednesday. Enjoy!!!
Another question – Assuming Sol is the kid in 1991 with revenge in mind, he would have targeted the Chief also (he failed to find his mom in time to save her life). But why only in 2020 that Sol “frames” the Chief with his gloves in the hands of Dawon?
Miracle23
Have an enjoyable Thanksgiving week @Pm3. I will have a long break on 30th Nov. If Chief Jo is busy cleaning up the forest of murder traces, I am busy settling office tasks before the long leave 🤭🤭🤭
Miracle23
@Janey, probably he sensed Chief knows and investigating? 🤔🤔🤔
Cleopatra
@Janey,
My guess? Sol thinks the Rangers did nothing for them in the village. They didn’t protect them or the mountain.
Sol’s ligic might be that:
The Chief did nothing to save his mom, didn’t believe him as a kid when he told him about the ghost lights and maybe in his mind, Sol accuses Chief for his father’s suicide.
Even though, the Chief took care of him, he isn’t grateful…
Arihsi
Thank you for your thoughts on it @GB. I am still uncomfortable with this idea- the way it has been presented in this series especially 🙊 I do not mind the belief in animalism/spirituality associated with natural elements, I have a problem with random ghost references.
P. S. Everest and the Himalayas are considered sacred too. 🙂
Cleopatra
@GB Unnie,
Kalimera. As per usual you nailed it. I also read your convo with @Arihsi. I wanted to say that a lot of cultures have as sacred places their mountains.
Minoans for instance had “Peak Sanctuaries” where they were doing rituals to the Goddess in Crete. I will also say that Mount Olympus was the Olympians’ home.
There are more things I wanted to say, but my hand is in pain today. 🙁
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
My Dear @Cleo, I’m sorry to hear that you are suffering again with that inflamed elbow. I believe you have to rest a long time. I hope you are not hard at work despite the inflammation.
I have to go out now, so when I have time I might come back to add to what I was thinking about the mountain and spirits.
Take care!
Janey
@Cleo pls take care and feel better soon. Healing thoughts for you.
Cleopatra
Thank you my agapimenes @Janey and @GB Unnie!
The inflammation subsided but it has cold and humidity and yesterday I had to type a lot.
I hope you are okay… <3
GrowingBeautifully (GB)
My Agapimeni Doensaeng Cleo, ah, you must have overworked you poor arm. That’s the case for all of us who need to work on computers for hours. I find that I need to rest my elbow on a high enough surface in order to be able to use the mouse and type for some time. I try to take breaks in between and just let my arm dangle to rest. I actually feel the blood rushing down to my fingers.
The weather has been very wet at least part of a day, everyday. It’s been cold and humid too. My nose is acting up as a result, which is annoying in these ‘sensitive’ pandemic times.
I hope you can manage to get the rest you need, and will be able to join us for Saturday’s Rewatch Party.
😃 🙏 😇 💻 🎉 🎈
Thanks @pkml3! I’m all set to enjoy Episode 9!!!
@GB your thoughts ? I don’t think it’s the head ranger.
Hi @Arihsi, I’m still finishing up with the Goblin Rewatch party. I’m not sure whom to suspect at the moment. I need to catch these latest episodes to look for more clues!
I too don’t think it’s the Head Ranger. The person wore a ranger uniform and Da Won knows him (I think it’s a him), but we are not entirely sure it really is a ranger, although I think it is. Who’s there among the rangers with smallish neat ankles under the slim pants?
In 2020 – Da Won had been running and fell, when Commander Jo Dae Jin came across her. Might he have been chasing her? He had a bag with a yoghurt drink bottle in it, which he hid behind his back. He might have been on the trail of the Yoghurt Killer and been removing bottles that he found?
While Yi Kang was waiting for Da Won, Ranger Gu Young came down and was surprised to see her. This means that there were at least 2 rangers on the mountain besides Da Won. YK tells him that she can’t reach Da Won. He pointed out that the signal is weak on restricted trails of the mountain.
Bloody Phone – We see later that DW had been pushed. Her mobile phone was strangely covered in a lot of blood (how did so much blood get on it, when it is not under her?). As it was moved by the killer, blood dripped from the phone while it was being carried over the pebbly road. The rocks had streaks of blood on them. (It is unlikely that there could be so much blood flowing from the phone, however the killer might have taken more blood along to draw attention to the phone.)
The editing and the camera work hides some clues even as it reveals some.
Problem with the editing/props? The phone position is changed in the scene. The phone should have been parallel to the raised part of the rock but it is repositioned to be perpendicular to that part of the rock. This and all the extra blood, might not mean anything, but problem with Props.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lykG4nEk8j7J09W6u3U-uX7b4U0cCtCb/view?usp=sharing
Editing and Camera work issue?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ws-qWUVZL42ERq-p_WhWUktgLLjvsfR7/view?usp=sharing
Is it DW’s right had that we see here in the left screenshot? It looked at first like her left hand. But we see in the right screenshot, that in her left hand which is a bit bloody, she held a pair of gloves belonging to Jo Dae Jin. Would a person falling still be holding on to gloves as they landed? Would it be more or less likely that the gloves were planted in her hand after her death?
If it’s the camera and editing that is confusing, then DW’s right hand was empty, while her left hand held a pair of Jo Dae Jin’s gloves.
If we are being shown the same left hand, one time without and the next time with the gloves, then the ones who planted the evidence are the 2 rangers who found her (unlikely?)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mP9mP0NfoVY9thGZtgukJPIUKP0ULX_k/view?usp=sharing
Phone Location – Da Won’s body had landed below rocky ridge at Jeonmukgol, but her phone was above on pebbly road. What was the purpose of moving DW’s phone? The fact that it and nearby rocks, had blood on them, meant that someone had been hurt. It being so far from the body meant that it was more likely that she had been murdered than that it was an accident. So someone deliberately wanted her death to be discovered and considered a murder, and evidence had been planted to point the finger at Jo Dae Jin.
After DW’s phone was found, Police officer Kim Woong Soon comes in to Haedong to ask about Jo Dae Jin, because his voice had been recorded in Da Won’s phone. This however had been done by DW out of fear and suspicion, and not by the killer. However it confirms JDJ’s presence just before DW’s death.
Suspicious – After they found the phone, Gu Yeong recommended that they expand the search to the rocky ridge and the pebbly rocks.
Yi Kang said that DW wouldn’t go to the rocky ridge. “The path is a dangerous detour, so I told her not to go that way.”
Gu Yeong : “When you’re stranded, you panic and do irrational things. You know better.”
(It seems Gu Yeong is suggesting that YK had gotten herself into that sort of trouble before. Perhaps when she got injured and lost the use of her legs.)
Is it suspicious that Gu Yeong was both on the mountain at the same time as DW and that he suggested expanding the search to pebbly road, which is where the phone had been placed? He also deflected alarm at YK’s not being able to reach DW’s phone by saying that the signal was poor on restricted trails.
I think the biggest clue in Ep 9 is that the killer knew how the signal worked. There is only one person other than the two leads who understood how it worked and that is camera/researcher guy Kim Sol
Agree, @Good Twin.
My eye is still on Kim Sol… although the writer is trying hard to shove Chief Jo as the killer. For instance, on night of the fire, Chief Jo was at the station with HJ. It would be easy for him to follow him to the big shed, lock the door, and start a fire. But would he have time to join the fire brigade? According to HJ, the fire fighters didn’t find a padlock on the door so that meant the arsonist waited to remove the lock afterwards.
I don’t think Jung Gook was the arsonist. He was with Glasses Dude the whole time.
But Kim Sol was missing in action.
Awesome sauce, @Growing_Beautifully! 👏👏👏
This is where poor directing and/or editing will make or break the story for me. I hope these aren’t plot holes.
Since the HJ’s spirit/ghost was able to talk to the herbalist – why not just tell him who the killer is? Does HJ still not know or is this just a plot hole? Also I think there will be a connection between Killer (now looking like Kim Sol) and the Dae Jin. DJ seems to have his suspicions and Killer seems intent on framing DJ.
The potential plot hole for me is:
If — and that’s a big if — 2020 HJ already knows who the serial murderer is, then he should just spell out the name with sticks and stones. 🤪
Now there is new timeline in 1991 🤣 that making prove jo dae jin is not the killer. Bcs we saw the young version of him.
Another suspect coming out, i dont know his name, he is one of ranger that stay on cave and met hyun joo in ep 10, I think he was the child from year 1991, his dad died back then by hanging himself.
That child alr meeting (i think) the real killer 1991.
It can be the one who want to make cable car in mt jirisan. Yang geun tak the president of mt jirisan development.
I think the killer brainwashing some kids, make them as his minion’s
Back to back drama, really not my things, and common viewers not liking this typical drama.
🤣
But so far i enjoying jirisan, except the editing between timeline.
Anneyong!
Just finished Episode 10. The killer is indeed Kim Sol the boy we saw in 1991.
In Episode 9, they deliberately showed us false information that the killer took and read Lee Da Won’s notebook, that’s why he made the signal.
BUT that was false alarm.
As many of you said above, he was the only one who knew about the signals except our two main leads. He even told them about them in the first two episodes and how the partisans used them.
The Chief might have realized that Sol is the one who kills people but he doesn’t have proof. The thing is that in 1991 another killer killed his mom. Was that guy who cursed his father? How come is he still alive then?
After watching Episode 10, we get to realize that the killer thinks that all the hikers are intruders in his sacred place aka the mountain Jirisan.
Thanks, @Cleopatra. So is the show 100% sure that Kim Sik is the killer? Good. 🙂
But @Cleopatra, who is this ranger that @lovebangwon mentioned here:
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“Another suspect coming out, i dont know his name, he is one of ranger that stay on cave and met hyun joo in ep 10, I think he was the child from year 1991, his dad died back then by hanging himself.
That child alr meeting (i think) the real killer 1991.
It can be the one who want to make cable car in mt jirisan. Yang geun tak the president of mt jirisan development.
I think the killer brainwashing some kids, make them as his minion’s…”
I mentioned it before that HJ spirit should know who is doing the killings since he is in the mountains. But instead, he gives a clue… 🧐 it’s not him who made the signal. Who else knows those signals but GY and Kim Sol (photographer and cultural person), who we are guessing was the kid in 1991 whose family died in the village. I hope GY figures this out. Agree with @Cleo, he is the primary suspect.
@PM3, @Lovebangwon – Kim Sol was the guy with HJ.
I assume the cable car construction did not push through even after the village was abandoned? There was another killer then who murdered the kid’s mom (wife of the village leader). What do you think about the ghost lights? Real or not?
Hi @Janey @Cleo
I only just watched Episode 10. I couldn’t figure out at first what the others were talking about, but now I understand better. Yes you have a point … in 1991 there was another criminal who attacked Kim Sol’s mum. It was creepy … she was attacked in some way but was not dead. It was like the fog and the spirits that descended on that place made it impossible for the rangers to see her until it was too late. Both the fog and the attacker conspired to prevent her from being found in time. Younger Jo Dae Jin in 1991 kept ending up at that ribbon covered tree, but never saw her until the fog lifted.
@pkml3, @LoveBangwon means Kim Sol was the child who as an adult in 2019, was in the cave, just reminiscing. HJ entered and found him there. HJ claimed to be looking for something (I wonder what???)
Kim Sol said: “This was my hideout when I was little. We called it the Black Bridge Valley Shelter. … This was my hometown.”
Kim Sol says that the YouTuber was wrong : “The village didn’t disappear because of cable cars or demolition. Villagers left because of the ghost lights. Whenever something bad happened to the village, the ghost lights always came first.”
HJ : “I heard wild beasts’ eyes glow like that, reflected in the light when it’s dark.”
KS disagrees : “Back then, there were no bears on the mountain.”
He wishes HJ good luck in finding what he’s searching for and exits the cave. He puts on familiar looking black gloves and his expression has become hard.
The YouTuber may have had false info. Only 2 persons died, Kim Sol’s mum and then his dad, who hanged himself. His report said that there were 3 deaths in such a small village.
However, bearing in mind that Kim Sol could be lying too, and also be suffering from PTSD since he saw his father’s body
We seem to be contending with different ‘forces’ by 2020.
1) There’s the criminal (seems to be Kim Sol) who believes in ghost lights.
2) There’s the mountain spirit who might be the source of the ghost lights. It’s said that the mountain spirit will be infuriated by the destruction to the ecology that the cable car installation will cause.
3) There’s the spirit of Hyun Jo who’s trying to reach Yi Kang.
4) There’s a criminal/killer from 1991 who should be 30 years older now. We think it could be Yang Geun Tak (once president of Jirisan Development Committee and) currently head of the Jirisan Cable Car Promotion Committee. He wanted to bring in the cable car and may have contaminated the well water.
Kalimera @Packmule3 et al,
As I have seen @Janey and @GB Unnie answered to you before me.
Sol is the little boy from the Black Bridge village that became isolated.
Hyun-Jo was with him in that cave. We saw that when Sol came out he wore those trademark black gloves. MDL refers to him as a Park Volunteer. So, he is helping the Rangers.
As for the killer of Sol’s mother back in 1991, we assume that it was the President of that Committee @GB Unnie refers to above.
The Chief is not the killer, rather a person who tries to save more people in his days off. The thing is, did he find out that Sol is the killer? I think he might knows.
@GB wow. From this summary, Jirisan sounds like a mildly creepy ghost drama, not a thriller. There is too much talk of ghosts, too little scientific enquiry. Also, viewers are unclear on the condition of HJ’s body. Coma? brain dead? ventilator? Will he wake up once his “soul” comes back ? I am very uncomfortable with this element of the drama. Nature is supposed to be soothing, not scary. They are equating a beautiful mountain to a haunted house full of ghosts and deaths. Not cool.
If we go by the sheer number of deaths, Mt. Everest and the Himalayas will far surpass Mount Jiri. I’m yet to see a major drama/movie comparing Everest to a haunted house.
Yas! So motive is revenge, target is villagers who left. The boy is that guy in suspect list! He was the one who took the talisman in the water when HJ was talking to the shaman girl. Ok back reading!!😁😁😁
Ok done reading! Yup, I think chief Jo knows a lot than he let on. When he had that convo with the ex chief, he seems really tired. 🤧 So he has been cleaning the forest of the traces of KS’s activities… or it might be true as I earlier thought, he is investigating on his own. Suspecting but not letting ppl knew. KS’s mom might be attacked by the cable car project guy cos he wanna scare the villagers out of there. By the way, pd nim that glowing flying thingy is definitely not moon bears’ eyes🤦🏻♀️ who are you kidding man…
Thanks, @Miracle23.
It’s Kim Sol then. 😂😂
So, Chief Jo was just being a do-gooder and cleaning up after KS? 🙂 He was tampering with evidence if he intentionally removed it because he knew that KS was involved in the murder.
I’ve time to watch this now bec I took off the whole Thanksgiving week. 😂
@Packmule3,
The Chief was trying to clean the poisoned yogurt bottles and the yellow ribbons he found in his way. He didn’t tamper anything to the crime scene.
Have a lovely Thanksgiving week! 😀
Hi @Arishi
The belief in spirits of people and spirits in things (Animism) being out and about, is pretty common everywhere in the East/SE Asia. The more people believe and attribute to articles/plants/places, spirits or supernatural ‘life’, the more likely spirits cling to those things. Since thousands of years of ritual worship has gone on in Jirisan, especially in certain ‘high energy’ areas, it is not surprising that the mountain is believed to have its own spirit or spirits, or that the supernatural abounds in certain places and at certain times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_mountains This entry speaks generally of many mountains being sacred places. The entry on Korea starts with:
“In Korea, people have maintained ancient ways of worshiping mountain spirits. While they are not in fact worshiping the land itself, the gods associated with this worship are united to the land. …”
On Animism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
You got me thinking about what a thriller is to me…I consider a thriller to be a suspenseful situation where an undesirable situation is imminent and therefore the good guys are in desperate need to prevent it, but face obstacles, so it’s touch and go that they can diffuse the situation. As long as I get anxious over getting the good outcome, it’s a thriller.
It can be considered a thriller … in 2019 in that people are getting killed and it’s urgent to figure out who and why before another murder gets committed, but there are obstacles in the way, like the disbelief of Gu Yeong, lack of evidence that the deaths are murder and the ‘real’ mountain spirit itself who complicates things. Plus the fact that the killer is out for HJ’s blood.
In 2020 it’s a thriller in that HJ and YK are almost out of action, while the killer still roams free, and murders are still taking place. While HJ and YK are desperate to re-connect and to solve the murder, we get the obstacles of YK needing Da Won, Da Won being killed, HJ not being able to communicate directly with YK and possibly not knowing that she’s in a wheelchair. I’m thinking YK might easily end up the next target of the killer since he has found that Da Won’s notebook has the communication markers that he spoke to YK and HJ about.
It’s interesting that the Killer decided to set up the marker himself for the murder of Da Won. What might his purpose be? He knows about the ‘ghost’ of HJ and wants to impersonate him? But how would he know and why should he bother? Or he wants YK to be able to tell the Rangers where to find Da Won so that the evidence he planted can be found?
About HJ, the preview seems to suggest that he opens his eyes. I’d guess a coma and being in a deep dream state, where he reacts to the ‘realities’ in his mind as he ‘sees’ them. In this case, his mind seems to have been left in Jirisan. We hear from the nurse that he became weaker after each strange episode where he was unconscious and yet reacting to something.
Unfortunately, I do not think Show will ever explain exactly how or why HJ ends up with his spirit in Jirisan. If we are given more clues than what we have now, I’ll consider it a bonus!
Ah. That’s good to know, @Cleopatra. As long as Chief Jo isn’t covering up KS’s crime, then he’s only “guilty” (I use this in layman’s terms) of negligence. He withheld and/or delayed release of information that the public should have known. If he knew all along that the yogurt and the yellow tapes were used by the killer(s), then he should have raised public awareness to stay vigilant, and to report sighting of these things.
“See something, say something.” 🙂
@GB,
Just to let you know, I edited your post for format. I only added an “end blockquote.” 🙂
Much thanks @pkml3! I didn’t realise I missed the ending code.
Good to know that you’ll be taking the weekend off. Have you arrived home already or will be flying back by Thursday?
@Arishi
I just realised this part disappeared in my comment to you. This part was before the first paragraph in my reply above starting … “The belief in spirits…”
Heh! That’s another way to think of it. Instead of a haunted house we have a haunted mountain. The presence of spirits (ghosts), totems and ritual on the mountain seems ‘normal’ in a place like SKorea where shamanism still goes on.
@PM3 – happy thanksgiving week and it’s great you are off work for the whole week. I will be off starting Wednesday. Enjoy!!!
Another question – Assuming Sol is the kid in 1991 with revenge in mind, he would have targeted the Chief also (he failed to find his mom in time to save her life). But why only in 2020 that Sol “frames” the Chief with his gloves in the hands of Dawon?
Have an enjoyable Thanksgiving week @Pm3. I will have a long break on 30th Nov. If Chief Jo is busy cleaning up the forest of murder traces, I am busy settling office tasks before the long leave 🤭🤭🤭
@Janey, probably he sensed Chief knows and investigating? 🤔🤔🤔
@Janey,
My guess? Sol thinks the Rangers did nothing for them in the village. They didn’t protect them or the mountain.
Sol’s ligic might be that:
The Chief did nothing to save his mom, didn’t believe him as a kid when he told him about the ghost lights and maybe in his mind, Sol accuses Chief for his father’s suicide.
Even though, the Chief took care of him, he isn’t grateful…
Thank you for your thoughts on it @GB. I am still uncomfortable with this idea- the way it has been presented in this series especially 🙊 I do not mind the belief in animalism/spirituality associated with natural elements, I have a problem with random ghost references.
P. S. Everest and the Himalayas are considered sacred too. 🙂
@GB Unnie,
Kalimera. As per usual you nailed it. I also read your convo with @Arihsi. I wanted to say that a lot of cultures have as sacred places their mountains.
Minoans for instance had “Peak Sanctuaries” where they were doing rituals to the Goddess in Crete. I will also say that Mount Olympus was the Olympians’ home.
There are more things I wanted to say, but my hand is in pain today. 🙁
My Dear @Cleo, I’m sorry to hear that you are suffering again with that inflamed elbow. I believe you have to rest a long time. I hope you are not hard at work despite the inflammation.
I have to go out now, so when I have time I might come back to add to what I was thinking about the mountain and spirits.
Take care!
@Cleo pls take care and feel better soon. Healing thoughts for you.
Thank you my agapimenes @Janey and @GB Unnie!
The inflammation subsided but it has cold and humidity and yesterday I had to type a lot.
I hope you are okay… <3
My Agapimeni Doensaeng Cleo, ah, you must have overworked you poor arm. That’s the case for all of us who need to work on computers for hours. I find that I need to rest my elbow on a high enough surface in order to be able to use the mouse and type for some time. I try to take breaks in between and just let my arm dangle to rest. I actually feel the blood rushing down to my fingers.
The weather has been very wet at least part of a day, everyday. It’s been cold and humid too. My nose is acting up as a result, which is annoying in these ‘sensitive’ pandemic times.
I hope you can manage to get the rest you need, and will be able to join us for Saturday’s Rewatch Party.
😃 🙏 😇 💻 🎉 🎈
@GB Unnie <3